not get much reaction here.
In the latter case you would need to be more specific about what data
you are considering using, who produced this data and under what terms
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The style itself however does not require attribution when used with
non-OSM data since it is CC0.
You can still render tiles using the standard style and OSM data
yourself and distribute them under something other than CC-By-SA as
long as you comply with the ODbL. But if you use those rendered b
ps://github.com/tyrasd/taghistory.
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ic data but you are not the
first to ask for it:
https://github.com/joto/taginfo/issues/93
The easiest way to determine this for low volume tags at the moment
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data for this
> function without any visible attribution to OSM.
Looks like it.
The area shown by the way is here:
http://mc.bbbike.org/mc/?lon=100.565099=13.736474=17=3=nokia-map=mapnik=google-map
Is there any mentioning of OSM in the app? Like hidden on some 'about
page' or similar?
illustrations this
database is subject to the share-alike requirements.
And note if you (as indicated in your initial inquiry) intend to license
this derivative database or a produced work to a third party that is
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- yes, intent and
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the derivative database from the original data (like when you use a
random number generator to remove random features). But if you
intermingle ODbL and proprietary data into a derivative database
publishing only the algorithm used for that is meaningless since to
reproduce the results you n
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>
> Wenn ja, gibt es einen Tag, der signalisiert, dass das Teil da in 95%
> der Zeit in der man vorbeikommt überhaupt nicht anzutreffen ist?
intermittent=yes
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ften than you probably think but ultimately it also
does not work in many cases because not every mapper is willing or
capable to do this.
And - since you always talk about enforcing rules - this is generally
not about enforcement, this is about maintaining a friendly and
consistent environm
representative.
This of course does not mean a direct vote of some sort on things (see
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therefore there has been discussion how to deal with
that. But as far as i can see none of the changes mentioned in this
thread can be considered borderline cases in that regard.
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the rules are open to everyone.
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m. So if one
direction was possible without share-alike the guidelines would
essentially be irrelevant because they'd only distinguish between those
cases where you have to de-duplicate in one direction and those where
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ures missing in OSM data or if you use OSM
data to add features missing in proprietary data - the license as i
read it is symmetric in that matter.
What i was trying to do is point out ways how you could continue doing
what you do (i.e. show both data from booking.com and from OSM in a
single appl
On Saturday 09 July 2016, Christoph Hormann wrote:
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> I think this is a fairly clear case for the Horizontal Layers
> guideline
To avoid ambiguity: I of course meant a case where the guideline says
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ou however must not show any hotels that are not in OSM then or make
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thorities of my
choosing...
Otherwise - if they don't want their data in OSM - their loss.
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e extremely unfair towards the normal individual mappers
because their attribution (which is currently the main one
behind 'OpenStreetMap Contributors') would be buried among tons of
others.
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lte das dann nicht
als Community-Veranstaltung verkaufen, denn ein erheblicher Teil der
Aktiven fühlt sich da zurecht weitgehend ausgeschlossen.
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paar ausgewählte Eingeborene aus der Provinz für die passende
Atmosphäre einfliegen lassen. Sorry falls ich da jetzt jemandem mit
auf die Füße trete, ich sehe schon auch, dass sich da auch Leute
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ansportation|water_power|irrigation könnte man hier
gut service=drainage wählen, wobei manche hier sicher sagen, dass das
dann waterway=drain sein sollte - was allerdings immer nur für kleinere
(minor) Gräben war und das hier ist definitiv nicht mehr klein.
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Kanäle die nicht zum Befahren dienen recht selten sind.
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ou want to abolish the water=* or if you just
prefer using waterway=riverbank instead of natural=water +
water=river - which does not in any way conflict with the water=* tag.
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quite a few cases where water mapping covers the whole floodplain of a
braided river like here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/46.0764/12.8456
Similar situation by the way with landuse=reservoir/landuse=basin -
acutal presence of water vs. dedication of an area for certain use.
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iverbank tag is that it was originally meant and is
widely understood to be a way tag while today it should normally be
applied to the multipolygons relation. Cleaning up such ambiguities -
not mechanically as it has been suggested in the past but with
individual verification - using either waterw
en (wobei das dort
vielleicht zu revolutionär ist).
Die meisten anderen Internet-Karten haben ja irgendwie graue Grenzen.
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ber nicht so grün, dass es wie
> > Naturschutzgebiet aussieht.
>
> Das ist die Farbe, die wir schon immer hatten.
Nicht im Ergebnis:
Vergleich mal
http://openstreetmap.de/karte.html?zoom=7=31.48529=36.29365=B000TT
mit Deiner Demo. Liegt daran, das hier im Detail eine Menge Änder
en Innovationen stark ein.
Das betrifft in der Praxis übrigens mindestens so sehr das Entfernen von
Elementen und Differenzierungen wie das Hinzufügen - kann also durchaus
sein, dass ein weniger restriktiver deutscher Stil vor allem auch
radikale Vereinfachungen ermöglicht.
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recht kontrastarm. Sehr gut gefällt mir aber das neue grünliche Grau
für die Grenzen - grün genug, um es von den übrigen graunen Dingen in
der Karte zu unterscheiden aber nicht so grün, dass es wie
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g direkte Konkurrenz gäbe.
Allerdings steigt natürlich mit jeder Änderung auch der Aufwand, die
Sache aktuell zu halten. Wie man verhindern kann, dass das Ganze
aufgrund des Wartungsaufwands wieder einschläft ist denke ich eine
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use be disputed, conflicting with others or be
frivolous to a varying degree. But there is not really an objective
way to distinguish between 'real' and 'non-real' territorial waters or
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ind quite a few entries in
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lacking_proper_attribution
with a comment indicating a Mapbox map. Not all are still current but
many are.
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but at any level of certainty making one-sided statements is a
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letely
replace and
"uses either all OSM data or no OSM data for that property"
implies that a data mixture in properties changes the situation.
In other words: having precisely formulated points in parameter space
but not having limits defined in relation to th
d understanding
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[1] http://blog.imagico.de/new-franz-josef-land-map/
[2]
http://maps.imagico.de/#map=9/6.702/2.215=en=sat=osmim=3=8
tms:http://imagico.de/map/osmim_tiles.php?layer=S2A_R022_N06_20151221T103009={zoom}={x}={-y}
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And you are right - we should not be so arrogant to think we know things
better than the local community in Benin.
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e, like the significant
upfront investments necessary to produce this kind of data, but solid
support from the already much more successful OSM world by emphasizing
the need and desire for truly open image data would certainly help this
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Bei Wikipedia funktioniert
das, denn ein Wikipedia-Artikel kann ggf. unterschiedliche Sichtweisen
darstellen oder im ungefähren bleiben, bei einer Geo-Datenbank muss
jedoch eine eindeutige Geometrie vorhanden sein.
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akebed, all of
which will usually lack any visual signs for being used for this
purpose unless an aircraft happens to be there the moment you look.
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r than removing an aerodrome based on
the fact that it is not visible on imagery.
See also here for a different angle on the problems of aeroway=aerodrome
as it is currently mapped:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1143
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r than removing an aerodrome based on
the fact that it is not visible on imagery.
See also here for a different angle on the problems of aeroway=aerodrome
as it is currently mapped:
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ve waterbody data in OSM is by
actually doing mapping work and correcting errors based on local
knowledge or imagery. You can believe me when i say that factual
errors and inaccuracies are much more common and harmful problems
w.r.t. water area mapping than basic tagging inconsistencies.
-
an a human mapper and you would destroy any
chance of actually determining the original intent of the mapper with
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alite SW are you using?
I am not aware of any software dealing with spatialite files that does
not use libspatialite/SQLite.
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decision or other serious legal assessment claiming copyright
(in contrast to database rights) on pre-graphical geodata
representations under German copyright law.
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data from share-alike by generating a produced
work and reverse engineering data from it again.
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ut RU contributors about that.
I brought the matter up some time ago in
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=29127
Situation might have changed since then since the Russian lakes are now
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ne changes from turning up in the map. If you
want to change coastline tagging of the Russian lakes you should
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whoever they
want to.
[1]
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at all, it is now for surface=sand (fine pattern) and surface=gravel|
fine_gravel|pebbles|pebblestone|shingle|stones|shells (coarse pattern).
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erfüllbar ist. Idealerweise sollte man so etwas mehrsprachig machen
(de+en+fr+...)
Wenn - wie hier ja anscheinend der Fall - der prinzipielle Wunsch da
ist, eine Nutzung durch OSM zu ermöglichen, wäre so etwas vermutlich
für die Zukunft, ggf. im Rahmen einer dl-de-by 3.0, hilf
digen Landesämter.
Das hier aber vermutlich schon:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2013-March/101328.html
Wie schon gesagt: es wäre natürlich für Alle schöner und weniger Arbeit,
wenn die gewählte Lizenz gleich klar die OSM-Nutzung abdeckt.
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n these do not need to be made available of course.
So if you release a changefile that contains changes to proprietary data
which itself is not openly available this is useless and irrelevant for
share-alike.
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can try to avoid that.
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Zoomlevel-Grenzen etc. vermutlich nicht sonderlich gut funktionieren.
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OSM Daten sind, die in den Karten nicht oder so gut wie nicht
angeschaut werden. So etwas würde gewissermaßen von der anderen Seite
die Diskrepanz zeigen zwischen den Prioritäten der Mapper und denen der
Kartenbetrachter.
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Not sure if i should interpret the lack of respone as agreement to my
assessment that the data may be used as a source for OSM mapping with a
notice on the contributors page. If there are opinions to the contrary
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stributing or communicating GMES dedicated
data and GMES service information to the public, users shall
inform the public of the source of that data and information."
As i see it the question here can only be if the obligation to "inform
the public" is fulfilled by listin
immer, also auch wenn
im Ausschnitt keine OSM-Daten sind.
Das CC-BY-SA ist ein bisschen verwirrend, denn es kann eigentlich nur
bedeuten, dass sie Ihre Kacheln unter CC-BY-SA-Lizenz stellen - was
aber mit OSM dann nichts zu tun hätte. Ansonsten sieht das aber jetzt
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congress has the huge advantage of taking place at the same location
every year which simplifies a lot of things.
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On Wednesday 02 December 2015, augustindo...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Martin, are you sure ? I tried to subscribe OSMF list 10 days ago,
> I received :
> [...]
Writing to the list is reserved to members, reading it is open to the
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K - das ist dann aber nicht das, was ich vorgeschlagen habe und man
sollte es dann zur Vermeidung von Missverständnissen auf jeden Fall
anders nennen.
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On Monday 30 November 2015, markus schnalke wrote:
>
> Christoph Hormann hat doch mit Fair Use einen wunderbaren Vorschlag
> gemacht (Message-ID: <201511171236.29598.chris_horm...@gmx.de>).
> Diesen koennte man weiter verfolgen. Mit einer Erklaerung des
> Projekts,
dition to the right (and in case of HOT apparently the obligation)
to vote for the board you also have the right - together with your
fellow members - to decide who becomes a member. To me this seems a
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According to the available information Kate is a member of HOT - so are
several candidates for the OSMF board:
Mikel Maron
Joseph Reeves
Yantisa Akhadi
Other candidates are active in HOT to some extent (like participating in
HOT mapping tasks) but are not members of the HOT organizatio
structions from the OSM wiki and allowing the OSM
community to provide input and fixes this way.
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use on any scale.
But there is no sense in getting lost in this particular example - it is
just that, an example. So i repeat my suggestion to improve QA of the
mapping instructions and allowing the OSM community to effectively
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different.
Referring to
> Do we not have the same goal of a free map of the entire world?
if instructions like the above indeed describe the aims of HOT for
mapping its vision of a free map of the entire world is indeed very
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ich in Deutschland natürlich nichts bedeutet
bietet es sich an, in solchen Fällen die Grenze an der selben Stelle zu
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> Stop rendering this key and instead render the relations
Is there *any* map style that does this at the moment?
AFAIK osm2pgsql does not support including relation membership info in
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rapidly increasing and the OSM community (and of course also the larger
open data community) needs to ask itself if it wants to leave this
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subjective. If at the end
of a long process a decision is made without once more listing in depth
all arguments for and against it this does not mean the decision is
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> I genuinely can't work out if that's said as a joke.
It is not, landcover polygon rendering is sorted by size in the standard
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diskutiert worden:
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und wird sicher umstritten bleiben. Insgesamt ist es aber denke ich
klar ein enormer Gewinn für das Gesamtbild, dass grün und blau aus der
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). Es ist halt was anderes wenn jemand aus Nachlässigkeit das
Notwendige versäumt als wenn jemand demonstrativ die angemessene
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i der Durchsetzung der Lizenz
gibt (und mit Durchsetzung meine ich hier kommunikativ und nicht
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e other side.
The general convention in OSM, also for boundaries, is to map the actual
situation on the ground, that is which areas are actually administred
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http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/0.7489/29.9702
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bad' without showing that you have considered the reasons why this
change has been made in the first place does not make you very
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negative.
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On Tuesday 15 September 2015, Alex Barth wrote:
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> Actually to be precise: OSM world wide, TomTom in US + Canada +
> Mexico.
Not that it matters much but Canada north of Lancaster Sound is OSM
(though coastline is at least a few months old).
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the situation getting again as unbearable
and damaging for the atmosphere on the wiki as it was now."
So far I don't see any indication of attempts for more productive social
interaction.
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ayless area to a solidly built gravel road.
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eigentlichen Definition und insbesondere bei ditch auch nicht
eindeutig, denn es ist unklar ob es um die Breite des Grabens oder der
Wasserfläche geht.
Kann gut sein, dass das wesentlich zur irrtümlichen Verwendung
beigetragen hat.
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