2009/9/23 maning sambale :
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fake%20Liam123/diary/8007#comments
That account hasn't made any edits...
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2009/9/23 Peter Körner :
>> Question:
>> Would it be possible/feasible to setup a map server like openstreetmap
>> that shows all the street/roads along with my aerial photography and
>> field outlines, and then make a search for the field by customer, by
>> legal description or by field name?
>
>
2009/9/23 paul youlten :
> Just noticed this on the front page of Wikipedia:
>
> "Did you know...
>
> ...that in 2009 two MIT students made a vehicle to take pictures of
> the Earth from 93,000 feet (28,000 m) for US$148?"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Icarus
Yes but almost none of the
2009/9/23 paul youlten :
> ... because you'd only sending it up to 3,500m (rather than 30,000m)
> you wouldn't need to worry so much about low temperatures freezing the
> batteries.
At that altitude you wouldn't have to worry about the balloon bursting
at that altitude either.
The bigger issue wo
2009/9/23 paul youlten :
>> RC blimp might also be more practical since you could steer it etc.
>
> Do modern RC controls have that sort of range? 3.5km seems a lot... an
> alternative would be to control it with GPS and some sort of
> electronic flight plan/autopilot.
Do you need to go above 1km?
2009/9/23 Frederik Ramm :
> I always thought that aviation regulations require the pilot - whether on
> board or on the ground - to monitor the airspace around the aircraft and
> take evasive action where necessary. It would be hard to do that on the
> ground for an aircraft that far up. But maybe
2009/9/23 paul youlten :
>>The other question to be asked is the time, effort and money put into
>>this be less than archived sat imagery which is about $14 per sq km.
>
> Yeah...but it would be fun to try!
>
> ... and while $14/sq Km doesn't sound a lot it would still cost $5376
> (£4900) just to
As best as we can tell the wiki only covers source=survey which is on
the map features page so why does potlatch use source=GPS?
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2009/9/24 Ed Loach :
> We?
The talk-au list
> Anyway, you all seem to have missed source=User Defined on map
It also says on the map features page:
You can use any tags you like as long as the values are verifiable.
However, there is a benefit in agreeing to a recommended set of
features and co
2009/9/24 Shaun McDonald :
> It does not matter if it is documented. When you read source=GPS you can be
> pretty sure that you understand what it means.
In this case survey and gps are synomonous, also I can't verify a GPS
was in fact used if people move the way due to aerial imagery etc so
it ma
2009/9/24 Someoneelse :
> I think that it's easy to get too prescriptive...
I'm not suggesting anyone do any of that, I'm pointing out how silly
it is to say gps is more precise than saying survey.
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2009/9/24 Shaun McDonald :
> The source tag has been in use for the past 3+ years and no one has made
> such a fuss over it as you.
You missed all the fun and excitment on the talk-au list today.
> The hdop and pdop will vary widely across the track, thus it would be
> useless adding it. Also wha
2009/9/24 Shaun McDonald :
> A survey could mean a walking papers style survey without a gps.
Wouldn't that be an observation, a survey is physically surveying something... ?
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2009/9/24 Jonas Häggqvist :
> John Smith wrote:
>> 2009/9/24 Someoneelse :
>>
>>> I think that it's easy to get too prescriptive...
>>
>> I'm not suggesting anyone do any of that, I'm pointing out how silly
>> it is to say gps is more pre
2009/9/24 Dave F. :
> What is a survey but observing your surroundings? (And recording them, which
> is what a walking paper entails).
Lets face it, most surveyed paths are made by consumer grade GPS
receivers, and street names surveyed are by observation, so
source=survey covers the majority of s
I wonder what one of these retail for:
http://www.snotr.com/video/619
Apparently can autonomously hover at 20,000ft for 3 weeks with a 1 ton
payload of surveliance equipment
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/24/0521225/250-Foot-Hybrid-Airship-To-Spy-Over-Afghanistan
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2009/9/25 Apollinaris Schoell :
> you might be shocked. I rarely add this info. many edits are a mix of gps,
> yahoo tracing, best guess, averaging and interpolation with other existing
> data, topo maps if free version available, free shape files.
> why would I add all this info? just a lot of wo
2009/9/25 Pieren :
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Liz wrote:
>> It is really important for us aussie mappers to know whether a road has been
>> genuiinely surveyed - that is someone went there
>> as opposed to traced from Landsat images.
>
> Then ask people to use highway=road if they don't s
2009/9/25 Dave F. :
> Is this a breach of copyright?
I've already been in a similar discussion about using google maps to
plan routes, some suggest this is breach of copyright, but then anyone
using a map for any reason would be in breach of copyright so I doubt
this is true, copying from a map d
2009/9/24 Mikel Maron :
> Note OSM can qualify for non-profit pricing on imagery, which can take the
> cost down to $12/km2. This is what we arranged for the Gaza imagery.
How was the imagery hosted, and what software was used to generate
vector data from this?
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2009/9/26 Morten Kjeldgaard :
> If it were possible to produce a cheap and light-weight little box
> with a gyro-stabilized gimbal containing a camera and a GPS logger, we
You don't need gyro stabilised if you have a fast shutter.
People are using all sorts of things to do aerial photography, hel
This bot:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/BugBuster
Is removing all sorts of tags from ways, including attribution tags,
can it please be blocked immediately to prevent further damage.
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2009/9/27 Pieren :
> Maybe he plans another extra run later. If you want to contact him to
> know more about his work, do it.
I emailed him when I emailed the list, but no reply yet.
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2009/9/28 Dave F. :
> What are the tags that it/he is wrong to remove?
ABS imported data was stripped from ways and moved to a relation which
is incorrect, I fixed a couple manually but I don't know how many more
times this has happened.
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2009/9/28 Dave F. :
> Excuse my ignorance, what's ABS?
Australian Bureau of Statistics, they've donated a large data set of
postcode/suburb and other administrative boundaries.
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2009/9/28 Matthias Versen :
> Please post an example changeset where this bot did something wrong.
I've already fixed the mistakes I've found so far, but I don't know
how many other mistakes there are.
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2009/9/28 Dave F. :
> Could you post a link to those please?
> We can still see the errors within the history.
I've made a lot of edits today, this is one of the relations I deleted
and I had to retag the ways:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/253976/history
There are others but it
2009/9/28 Ruben Wisniewski :
> Hi John,
>
> thank you for your report, but whats wrong with moving the tags to a
> relation, this is the common way as far as I know, only all ways
> together represent the border, so the relation should hold the tags.
> Else if there is a change, not every way has t
2009/9/28 Matthias Versen :
> Ruben Wisniewski wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> thank you for your report, but whats wrong with moving the tags to a
>> relation, this is the common way as far as I know, only all ways
>> together represent the border, so the relation should hold the tags.
>> Else if there i
2009/9/28 Matthias Versen :
> John Smith wrote:
>
>> These aren't state borders these are administrative borders
>> (postcodes, town etc), and I'm filling in missing sections manually to
>> complete postcodes as these weren't imported manually, as a res
2009/9/28 Lester Caine :
> And this seems to be the case here?
The problem is the ways are the best place to tag the ABS information,
and the ABS data just happens to follow rivers, islands, railways and
roads and so on which is very useful where people can't survey and
there is no hi-res imagery,
2009/9/28 Dave F. :
> The database on its own is useless. It needs to be represented in some
> manner such as a visual map. To tag randomly ie 'tag whatever you want &
> let the renderers sort it out' seems illogical & counter productive.
It's more of a case of converting the real world into a da
2009/9/28 Dave F. :
> I'm not saying we should bend over backwards in our tagging to ensure it
> will immediately render in all the different rendering flavours, but to
> tag without /any/ consideration for multitude of uses OSM could be used
> for is, I think, lazy, selfish & bordering on the arr
2009/9/29 Paul Houle :
> In a lot of places the "Tourist Office" is actually (or practically)
> a cooperative sponsored by certain businesses, generally the larger and
> more expensive ones. This is true of restaurants as much as it is of
> hotels.
In regional parts of Australia it's usually
2009/9/29 Russ Nelson :
> Richard Fairhurst writes:
> > Nick Whitelegg wrote:
> > > One council (West Sussex) referred to its data as "public domain"
> > > when I last looked. I'd guess that's the same for all councils.
> >
> > Bear in mind that "public domain" meaning "free of copyright" is a
2009/9/29 Ed Avis :
> A manual redirect tag would never work - about 1% of contributors would bother
> to add it, and even then messing with id numbers by hand is error-prone.
> Rather, if an object is marked as deleted, return its last position and
> perhaps
> the changeset id that deleted it. T
2009/9/29 David Paleino :
> Isn't that defined as "territorial waters", different from national border?
> It would be better to have both drawn -- but the territorial waters marked
> as boundary=maritime, or the such?
That what happens with Australia which doesn't have any land borders,
admin_lev
2009/9/29 Gustav Foseid :
> Todo: Clean up to proposal and support in the most common renderers.
Why do you want these to render exactly?
I agree with land based borders but it looks weird/confusing seeing
maritime boundaries.
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2009/9/29 Gustav Foseid :
> They are rendered today, but visually the same as land borders. I would
Ummm they are?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-24.622&lon=153.677&zoom=10
Centre of the map is where the maritime border of Australia runs and I
don't see anything rendered at any zoom level.
2009/9/29 Gustav Foseid :
> They have normally been tagged as land borders, resulting in something like
> this:
> http://osm.org/go/evC2d--
> http://osm.org/go/3Tjpd-
Because they've been tagged boundary=administrative,
boundary_type=maritime, the around Australia it's just
boundary=maritime whic
2009/9/29 Martin Koppenhoefer :
> Does anyone have a script to calculate the 12nm-offset and probably
> simplify the outcome?
The Australia 12nm boundary was guessed by someone and roughly put in...
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2009/9/29 Mike Harris :
> Landuse=agricultural vs. Landuse=grassland
> And for the former:
>
> Agriculture=arable / pastoral / orchard / plantation
This seems saner, that way if you aren't sure of the land use due to
time of year the aerial imagery was take or what not you can just tag
it as agric
2009/9/29 Emilie Laffray :
> That would mean that Mapnik needs to be checking a secondary field to
> determine what to display. If the renderer doesn't do that, you will end up
> with a map that is poorer in the end. In your case, that would mean
> increasing the size of the table produced by osm2p
2009/9/30 Gustav Foseid :
+1
> I fail to see any disadvantages of using landuse=farm + farm=orchard (or
> something similar). Waisting a few bits in a database is simply not a
> problem.
If you pre-process the information, eg osm2pgsql drops the type of
farm use into the landuse field it would
2009/9/30 Nick Whitelegg :
> Target platform would be any device supporting JavaME.
Why JavaME exactly?
It's kind of getting long in the tooth compared to JVMs running on
modern smart phones
Not to mention smart phones usually have a soft or hard keyboard,
rather than twiddling about with 1
2009/10/1 Kai Krueger :
> Well, perhaps because it is by far the most wide spread mobile programming
> language?!
It may be, but how many of those phones come with a built in GPS? Most
of the time you need to buy a BT add on which uses/wastes even more
battery...
> It is only really Apple with th
2009/10/1 Nick Whitelegg :
> To try and support as many as possible - Qt is another option when the
> Symbian version becomes available, Android is interesting but maybe not
> widespread enough yet, iPhone is platform specific (and has to be approved
> by Apple which is a big problem), .NET again i
2009/10/1 Richard Fairhurst :
>
> John Smith wrote:
>> The company I work for has released a BB/Android app to do POI
>> stuff, we may release an iPhone/WinMo and Symbian versions in
>> future depending on interest etc.
>
> Shit, you mean you actually have a productiv
2009/10/1 Kenneth Gonsalves :
> hi,
>
> I have been serving osm using apache and mod_tile. Now I have shifted to nginx
> as it is much faster and uses less memory - any idea how to serve osm using
> nginx?
I'd love to know too, I use lighttpd normally, but for the tile server
I still have to use a
2009/10/1 Nick Whitelegg :
>>This sounds interesting, but could you describe a bit more what you had
>>in mind? I would particularly be interested to know how it would differ
>>to the already existing mobile tools and if it is not possible to add
>>this functionality to them, given that you can do
2009/10/1 Kai Krueger :
> Would this be possible to do with a simple waypoint that can then be
> exported as a GPX file? Waypoints in GPX also support a comment field, that
> could contain more elaborate notes than would be sensible in the standard
> name of the waypoint.
You would be best off mak
I emailed westfields and centro, both are operators of shopping
centres, about getting access to their floor plans in the various
shopping centres they operate to add to OSM, unfortunately I received
no reply at the time, maybe this is why.
-
An anonymous reader writes "Google maps ar
2009/10/1 Russ Nelson :
> I wish to be more plain. I think that SteveC should be taking a more
> active role in decisions. He and just I had a conversation in which
> he explained that he's tried doing that, and just gets flamed for
> being overbearing or evil or trying to push Cloudmade's intere
2009/10/1 Frederik Ramm :
> It's a kind of slippery slope situation. There is fear that once it has
> been proven that standardisation works for true/false values, there will
> be demands to standardise everything else as well.
I think you are exagurating things a little, however a little
standar
2009/10/1 Alice Kaerast :
>
> Hang on, it's October 1st not April 1st! In all seriousness though they
> won't be giving you their floorplans because it's a terrorist risk
> rather than the fact they're giving Google exclusive access.
The slashdot subject was misleading, Google isn't getting them
2009/10/1 Stefan de Konink :
> NL is running on Cherokee, we have a 404 script that communicates with
> renderd. I guess this can be used by lighttpd and nginx too.
URL?
I tried to code something similar like this in php before but didn't
get very far at the time, can your script be run as a fast
2009/10/1 Stefan de Konink :
> I think it was on this list before;
May have been before I joined...
> vserver!20!document_root = /var/www/tile.openstreetmap.nl/htdocs
> vserver!20!error_handler = error_redir
> vserver!20!error_handler!404!show = 0
> vserver!20!error_handler!404!url = /live/render
2009/10/1 Pieren :
> 3. a bot is setup to replace regularly all values "true" or "1" by
> "yes" and "false" or "0" by "no" (and nothing else).
Wouldn't that waste CPU cycles and bloat the change files for almost no benefit?
Wouldn't it be better if editors automated this before uploading?
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2009/10/2 Frederik Ramm :
> The idea behind that (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that anyone makes
> their own decisions (just like now) and in cases where people think they
> have a good definition they put this on some kind of special wiki page
> or database or whatever ("tags I use, and how I
2009/10/2 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) :
> John Smith wrote:
>>Sent: 01 October 2009 3:23 PM
>>To: Frederik Ramm
>>Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
>>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide
>>
>>2009/10/2 Frederik Ramm :
>>
>>> The idea be
2009/10/2 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) :
> So I agree with Matt. To me its not the tags that need controls it’s the
> process by which we select them. Mostly I guess tags (as the originator of
> Map Features I can remember most of the basics and have a good idea, my
> personal idea, of how to b
2009/10/2 Andy Allan :
> Then the people who are mailing more than their fair share of posts
> will be asked to post less often. Hopefully they will realise that
> every time they post to the list it's delivered to 1,000s of others
> and they should keep their contributions under control.
What exa
2009/10/2 Andy Allan :
> Entirely depends on how useful your messages are, it's not a fixed
> limit. You'll know when you've gone well over when you are repeatedly
> called out on the mailing list, blog posts, parody pictures, twitter,
> IRC and direct emails all on the subject of you not knowing
2009/10/2 Andy Allan :
> I think you're on the wrong mailing list - this is the openstreetmap
> mailing list and that's not how we will ever do things.
I thought this was anything goes, why are you dictating something can't be done?
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2009/10/2 Nick Whitelegg :
> In this case though you'd have to use hand written notes, or memory,
> anyway, which removes the need for the application really.
Erm wouldn't notes get soggy and become less than useful also?
> It doesn't rain that often anyhow, not in my part of the UK anyway: at a
2009/10/2 Jonathan Bennett :
> Markus Lindholm wrote:
>> Isn't it time that the governing board establishes a tagging council
>> of some sort
>
> See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_bureaucracy
> for what Another Plaice thinks of that idea.
Slightl
2009/10/3 Gervase Markham :
> On 01/10/09 04:26, John Smith wrote:
>> I still like Shaun's idea of a committee
>
> We really, really need a committee to decide what values we are going to
> standardize for binary true and false?
No we need a committee to decide upon a
2009/10/3 Roy Wallace :
> I think we are quite capable of (voluntarily) collaboration across
> country borders without needing an authority figure to enforce it.
You do if you want a consistent data set.
> Frederik's point is valid - if you want a tagging committee/working
> group/whatever, start
2009/10/3 Elizabeth Dodd :
> I'm not in favour of a fork - I'm in favour of a consistent schema.
> There are significant regional differences and no means yet to deal with those
> within the multiple flavours of English spoken throughout the world. Spanish
> speakers will have similar troubles adap
2009/10/3 Jeremy Adams :
> I'm just a regular old mapper, but it's my humble opinion that the data in
> the database must be consistent across the whole database. If different
> regions want to use the map for different purposes, display different tags,
> etc then they can apply their localization
2009/10/3 Apollinaris Schoell :
>
> On 2 Oct 2009, at 21:06 , John Smith wrote:
>
>> You do if you want a consistent data set.
>
> And what if I don't want?
> There are 1000s of mappers and not everyone thinks like you and agrees with
> you. If you can't acc
2009/10/3 John Smith :
> 2009/10/3 Apollinaris Schoell :
>>
>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 21:06 , John Smith wrote:
>>
>>> You do if you want a consistent data set.
>>
>> And what if I don't want?
>> There are 1000s of mappers and not everyone thinks li
2009/10/3 Gervase Markham :
> My view is not that we should have one committee, but that groups of
> people with particular expertise should come together to develop the tag
> sets for particular areas (e.g. canals, mountain biking), those should
I was starting small, I thought if we could at leas
2009/10/3 Gervase Markham :
> Two reasons off the top of my head: because we don't want to spend ages
> developing consistent tag sets and putting them on the wiki only to have
> someone else mess around with them. And because we'd like to get some
> sort of consensus before starting off on what wi
2009/10/3 James Livingston :
> On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, John Smith wrote:
>> This was not only highly frustrating but demoralising and as a result
>> I've not been bothered tagging any more school zones because I don't
>> see a point until there is a "One Tru
2009/10/3 James Livingston :
> On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote:
>> Time to end this debate
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
>
>
> Oh, and this:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/VotingOnTheWikiIsStupid
Not that I'm disag
2009/10/3 Peteris Krisjanis :
> Actually more important question - why people which love mapping (and
> I guess we all do, otherwise we wouldn't be here), are discussing such
> simple things as BOOLEAN values in a midday of the Saturday? (ok, for
> others it is probably very very early morning). I
2009/10/3 Dave F. :
> John Smith wrote:
>> The third is generally the best option in practise most of the time,
>> it should comprise of no more than 10 people, preferably 5 since the
>> more people involved the less people are going to come to a consensus.
>>
>&g
2009/10/4 Dave Hansen :
> Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses?
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema
>
> Well, I have some perl code that will parse the 2007/2008 TIGER data
> files. My goal is to get the addresses import
2009/10/4 Konrad Skeri :
> boolean values are allowed. Instead of bridge=jomenvisst we should use
> bridge=yes, and instead of electrified=naltaseotroligt we should use
Bridge isn't listed as boolean only, you can also have bridge=viaduct
which I've used a few times.
Other values listed on the ma
2009/10/4 Roy Wallace :
> Do you realise that the only alternative to voluntary adoption is
> enforcement? Do you really want to force your idea on others even if
> they "think their idea is better"? /No thanks/.
That isn't the only alternative, you always have carrots not just
sticks. The carrot
2009/10/4 Russ Nelson :
> The OSM community is hostile to leadership even when that leadership
> merely renders advice. Frederick's advice to create a committee to
I think the problem here isn't the OSM community, but a vocal minority
that don't want anything but the status quo, and while techniq
2009/10/4 Matt Amos :
> no one is advocating for error. you seem to be advocating for a tag
> with the sole purpose of not rendering something in a single renderer.
> to me, that seems wrong.
I use a similar feature in JOSM to show me unnamed streets to know
which ones still need to be named, I th
2009/10/5 Jennifer Campbell :
> Just a further heads up that this user appears to have posted to SABRE
> asking for a way to edit OSM privately. Any suggestions I should pass on
> to him? It should keep him from vandalising live data if it was possible.
>
> http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/viewt
2009/10/5 Anthony :
> Is there any simple way (i.e. not involving setting up your own Mapnik
> server) to test Mapnik rendering locally, without polluting OSM, and perhaps
> more importantly, without waiting an hour or more to see your update.
I thought the dev system was setup to do this, but it
2009/10/5 Dermot McNally :
> 2009/10/4 John Smith :
>
>> If it is a genuine concern about being abused for making mistakes the
>> people abusing people should be dealt with there is no reason for it,
>
> I'm not sure if you followed the original incident. Thi
2009/10/5 Russ Nelson :
> But if noname roads are rendered as such, then when you're looking for
> that street, you would expect to see a street without street signs.
If there is no street sign that doesn't mean the street has no name,
it just means you need another source for your data, like the
2009/10/6 Gervase Markham :
> On 05/10/09 11:04, Dave Stubbs wrote:
>> As the person whose first came up with a no-names map for London
>> (well, actually it was a named map of London, turned into a nonames
>> map on SteveC's suggestion), I have an *official leadership
>> announcement* to make:
>>
2009/10/6 Valent Turkovic :
> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:52:40 +, Valent Turkovic wrote:
>
>> Great and funny poster, I love it.
>
> Also it would be great to setup a "Promote OSM" wiki page with different
> posters, flyers and similar accessories that other OSM mappers could use
> for mapping part
2009/10/6 James Livingston :
> On 05/10/2009, at 8:18 PM, Marc Schütz wrote:
>> IMO (a) is the correct way to do this.
> ...
>> For a road, we can either choose to map it as a linear object (this
>> is the common case), or we can map its geometry more exactly by
>> using an area. In both cases, ho
2009/10/6 David Earl :
> On 06/10/2009 14:09, John Smith wrote:
>>
>> Some people are marking the landuse hard up against roads, but this
>> isn't correct since the property boundary never touches any roads, at
>> least none that I'm aware of, and foot paths
2009/10/7 Anthony :
> Most sidewalks pretty much meet that criterion, and roads sort of meet it
> (not at intersections, though).
There is a landuse area around roads that isn't part of surrounding
property boundaries.
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2009/10/7 Anthony :
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM, John Smith
> wrote:
>>
>> 2009/10/7 Anthony :
>> > Most sidewalks pretty much meet that criterion, and roads sort of meet
>> > it
>> > (not at intersections, though).
>>
>> There is a
2009/10/7 Gervase Markham :
> On 06/10/09 16:49, Jonathan Bennett wrote:
>> It's useful *as a guide*, or a tool. What some people seem to be unable
>> to grasp is that *it's OK for a road to appear in red on NoNames*. You
>> don't have to eliminate them completely. It's just a guide, not a gospel.
2009/10/7 Gervase Markham :
> On 06/10/09 05:37, John Smith wrote:
>> It sounds like he made it to see which roads needed surveying to
>> acquire their name, however I'm still confused why people use
>> noname=yes when the street does have a name but not a street sign, a
2009/10/7 DavidD :
> 2009/10/6 John Smith :
>
>> Yes and keep it to yourself, don't bother telling anyone else since
>> they really want to waste their time finding out there is no name,a
>> after the 10th person does this I'm sure someone has a right to be
>
2009/10/7 Dave F. :
> The more uploaded GPX traces/checks of a route the better. Surely?
It would be more useful to know what created the traces also, some
units are bound to be better than others and knowing this you would be
able to weight the tracks rather than treat them all as equal.
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2009/10/7 Lester Caine :
> Mike Harris wrote:
>> Chris
>>
>> Despite the well-argued views of a minority, I am persuaded by the equally
>> well-argued views of the (considerable) majority who favour option (b).
>>
>> That is not to say that there isn't room for using a bit of common sense! I
>> w
Maybe google is feeling a little intimidated by all the announcements
of new roads turning up on OSM as soon as construction finishes!
In this case they've jumped the gun and show dual carriage way where
it's still under construction:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?ll=-26.186039,152.654761&z=18
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