Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

ct: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr Hi, On 08/27/2017 08:51 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: > Also, Frederik, I think your script picked up false positives. Spot > checked in DC, and these are expansions of both the street and the > quadrant (&qu

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

Hi, On 08/27/2017 08:51 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: > Also, Frederik, I think your script picked up false positives. Spot > checked in DC, and these are expansions of both the street and the > quadrant ("St NW" -> "Street Northwest"(. Can we fix the script and > regen the list? I have modified my

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On 28 August 2017 at 08:57, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is a data deletion - a very different thing. Another editor in this discussion says that they: changed the name tag to chdr_USA_AZ_name_fixup_required That's not merely a deletion. It behoves DWG to adhere to their

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On 28 August 2017 at 01:56, john whelan wrote: > It has been brought to the OSMF's attention. It has been verified that > there are "Easter Eggs" from Google are in there. "Easter Eggs"? Do you perhaps mean "trap streets": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street ?

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On 2017-08-28 13:02, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Monday 28 August 2017, Greg Morgan wrote: We do get to go through the five stages. We do get to express the emotions until acceptance of our fate as part of the healing process. There is no rubber stamping!

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

The essential discussion here is -- OSM communities can put together plans ahead of this redaction, in order to minimize impact to the map. With sufficient legal process. This seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to plan out, rather than doing a large scale revert and scrambling to clean up

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On Monday 28 August 2017, Greg Morgan wrote: > We do get to go through the five stages. We do get to express the > emotions until acceptance of our fate as part of the healing process. > There is no rubber stamping! > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model You are free to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > In fact reading this thread i cannot really believe this discussion is > actually happening, that there seem to be people who think that a large > scale unauthorized use of data can be 'healed' by rubber stamping it >

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 3:16 AM, James wrote: > As Stewart has pointed out there are some changes that are valid(name > expansion). I think Mr.Ramm needs to revise his selection algorithm before > mass deletion > I don't think that it make a difference. I certainly don't

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

As Stewart has pointed out there are some changes that are valid(name expansion). I think Mr.Ramm needs to revise his selection algorithm before mass deletion On Aug 28, 2017 6:05 AM, "joost schouppe" wrote: 2017-08-28 10:27 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole : >

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: > > we can find a good workflow for that. I wasn't expecting the community > to start working on this pre-redaction but if people prefer that to > fixing issues later... > > Absolutely, let's do this! > > On Sun, Aug 27,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

2017-08-28 10:27 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole : > What surprises me most about the discussion up to now that it is > centered around the impact on the US and Canada were the removals are > rather small both relatively and absolute*, actually are more at the > nuisance level than anything

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

Hi, On 08/28/2017 10:27 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > Our concern should be more about Mexico, Brazil and other countries > where it is at least not obvious to me if the local communities are > aware of the issue and if we have any plan at all how we possibly could > mitigate the impact. I know that

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On Monday 28 August 2017, Paul Norman wrote: > > As the publisher of the OSM database, the OSMF has various legal > obligations. When we become aware of data that has been illegally > copied into OSM we need to stop distributing that data, generally by > deleting it and redacting the old versions

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

What surprises me most about the discussion up to now that it is centered around the impact on the US and Canada were the removals are rather small both relatively and absolute*, actually are more at the nuisance level than anything else, and can easily be added back, likely in a couple of days

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

The guidelines were formulated for data additions. This should guard against things being entered into the data base that are questionable. This is a data deletion - a very different thing. In this case it is required, ethically at least. I have looks at some 6 in 'my area' and they all

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

>I haven't seen any compelling evidence or discussion about whether or not the data in question was illegally copied into OSM. All we have to go on is the first paragraph of Frederik's initial post. I'm not questioning Frederik's (or any DWG members') passion or dedication to the project, but we

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > On 8/27/2017 10:29 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > >> >> I strongly disagree. As a group of people who have received >> extra-judicial powers in the OSM community, they should be expected to >> follow community guidelines to a higher

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On 8/27/2017 10:29 AM, Ian Dees wrote: I strongly disagree. As a group of people who have received extra-judicial powers in the OSM community, they should be expected to follow community guidelines to a higher degree than the rest of the community. As the publisher of the OSM database, the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

John, Once the way names are redacted, I will revise for Québec following the naming rules different from the english part of Canada. ToDo / JOSM should help for this. regard   Pierre john whelan wrote : I suspect Jamie could wave a magic wand for Quebec.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

The odbl=clean could be a way to exclude road names from the removal, though sources from the info should be given, whether Canvec, Mapillary, OpenStreetCam or local survey On Aug 27, 2017 3:29 PM, "john whelan" wrote: > There are a couple of issues here. The first are

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > I don't understand what people mean with 'verifying' objects. We're > not trying to find factually-incorrect data. The data is legally > tainted. It's questionable whether looking at the current names >

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

There are a couple of issues here. The first are our users, we don't normally think about them but deleting the names at the wrong point in OSMAND's cycle could mean missing street names for a period of time. Second is the problem of some data might be incorrect as a result of the source

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

Friedl; Tod Fitch; talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr > we can find a good workflow for that. I wasn't expecting the community to > start working on this pre-redaction but if people prefer that to fixing &g

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

: Talk Openstreetmap; talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr I don't understand what people mean with 'verifying' objects. We're not trying to find factually-incorrect data. The data is legally tainted. It's questionable whether l

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

I don't understand what people mean with 'verifying' objects. We're not trying to find factually-incorrect data. The data is legally tainted. It's questionable whether looking at the current names imported from GMaps, comparing to another source, seeing they match and marking them as "verified"

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

> we can find a good workflow for that. I wasn't expecting the community to >start working on this pre-redaction but if people prefer that to fixing issues >later... Absolutely, let's do this! Also, Frederik, I think your script picked up false positives. Spot checked in DC, and these are

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Happy to help. All we'd need for MapRoulette is a list of locations and a > proper description of the work we'd expect people to do. Anyone can create > the challenge but I'd be happy to do it. > > Martijn >

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > > On Aug 27, 2017 11:58, "Yves" wrote: > > a écrit : > > > Frederik, > > > Thanks for notifying us about this. I hope that you treat this as an > import or automated edit and follow

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

Frederik just answered Steve, but no message was received from Steve on the talk list. Bad documentation of the thread and difficulty to follow discussions coming from two lists, talk and talk-us. I then suggest that this thread be only on talk. >From the list that Frederik provided earlier

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 6:49 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Here's a list of way IDs affected, with country and state: > > http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/chdr.details > > Frederik, I looked a small sample of the list. For example, way 10012342 [1] in Texas was only touched

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

Steve: thank you for your work. I'll save your list. It appears that others might be eager to do the same, maybe we can find a good workflow for that. I wasn't expecting the community to start working on this pre-redaction but if people prefer that to fixing issues later, it is of course an

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

On Aug 27, 2017 11:58, "Yves" wrote: a écrit : Frederik, Thanks for notifying us about this. I hope that you treat this as an import or automated edit and follow the rules you would expect to see the rest of the community follow Ian, To lessen the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

Hi Ian, On 08/27/2017 06:23 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > Thanks for notifying us about this. I hope that you treat this as an > import or automated edit and follow the rules you would expect to see > the rest of the community follow. Sorry for not being clear about this. I posted this with my DWG hat

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

a écrit : Frederik, Thanks for notifying us about this. I hope that you treat this as an import or automated edit and follow the rules you would expect to see the rest of the community follow Ian, To lessen the burden of the DWG, I would say that this thread is

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

Indeed, with the geometry still remaining it will be easy to create a maproulette task(s) to repair the damage +1 for name tag redaction On Aug 27, 2017 12:26 PM, "Ian Dees" wrote: > Frederik, > > Thanks for notifying us about this. I hope that you treat this as an > import

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

Frederik, Thanks for notifying us about this. I hope that you treat this as an import or automated edit and follow the rules you would expect to see the rest of the community follow. Please post samples of your changes, make a wiki page for posterity, and thanks for working to get buy-in from