Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

Janko, while I agree that it is possible in theory, I am not sure this is a big problem. After all, if you are downloading a single region, you are much more likely to know more about that region, and not need any defaults. The problem solved by the default_language is fairly specific to

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

sub, 5. svi 2018. u 00:18 Yuri Astrakhan napisao je: > > Tag description: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:default_language > I like it overall. I'm not sure about this one: *Do not set it on any smaller sub-regions unless their default language is different.*

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

I have set this value on some of the more obvious cases in N & S Americas. I have also created a wiki page describing the tag. Any help with this is greatly appreciated, especially if you have local knowledge about subregions! Tag description:

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

pon, 30. tra 2018. u 08:28 Yuri Astrakhan napisao je: > > "official_language" is not a good tag name because it does not match the > meaning, e.g. the official languages of Canada are both en & fr, but > "name" > tag is always in English except for Quebec, where it is in

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

Multiple semicolon-separated values do not solve the main problem - figuring out the language of the "name" tag. If a region uses one value in the name tag, "default_language" should be set to just one language. If the whole region uses "xx - yy" convention in the name tag, default_language could

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

W dniu 26.04.2018 o 15:36, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: > > 2018-04-26 14:16 GMT+02:00 Daniel Koć >: > > > Isn't it like this: > > Country Belgium - official_language=de;fr;nl > Region Brussels-Capital - official_language=fr;nl > City Eupen

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

W dniu 26.04.2018 o 14:32, Philip Barnes pisze: > If a place in England should we assume its name is in English? > > Name:en=Llanymynech would be a very odd assumption. As would Hengoed > or Rhydycroesau. > > This cannot be automatic, it needs mappers with local knowledge. That's pretty sane

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-04-26 14:16 GMT+02:00 Daniel Koć : > > Isn't it like this: > > Country Belgium - official_language=de;fr;nl > Region Brussels-Capital - official_language=fr;nl > City Eupen - official_language=de > > What would be wrong with this scheme? it is only about "official

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

Discussing this in parallel on our Riot channel. The decision was made before I joined OSM (thus before 2011). Apparently for the renderer, (as a street name with a semi-colon looks weird to non-insiders I guess). regards m On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: > W

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

W dniu 26.04.2018 o 14:49, Marc Gemis pisze: > The name for the country in the name tag is " België / Belgique / Belgien" (*) > The name for any street in Brussels is either " - " > or " - " with the majority mapped with French in > front. > > The names never use a semi-colon. Without looking at

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

The name for the country in the name tag is " België / Belgique / Belgien" (*) The name for any street in Brussels is either " - " or " - " with the majority mapped with French in front. The names never use a semi-colon. Without looking at name:fr / name:nl tags you don't know which part of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

Placenames are often corruptions of old languages or are in a different language to that spoken and not everywhere has an official language. If a place in England should we assume its name is in English? Name:en=Llanymynech would be a very odd assumption. As would Hengoed or Rhydycroesau.

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

W dniu 26.04.2018 o 13:53, Marc Gemis pisze: > Do you now assume that names in region B outside city C have a > namehr;nameit in the name tag? Yes, unless stated otherwise for cities E, F and G. To be clear: I assume only that if they name:hr=* and name:it=*, both are official, but that doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

W dniu 26.04.2018 o 11:51, Mateusz Konieczny pisze: > It is not handling > - regions with more than one widespread language > - features that have name tag in an atypical language In my opinion there's no single solution for atypical cases, yet it's sane to start with defaults. It can be used on

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

It is not handling - regions with more than one widespread language - features that have name tag in an atypical language 26. Apr 2018 10:04 by jan...@gmail.com : > > > sri, 25. tra 2018. u 08:51 Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski <> m...@komzpa.net >

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

sri, 25. tra 2018. u 08:51 Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski napisao je: > Hi, > > maps.me took approach similar to Nominatim's: each map region has > "default language" in metadata, and in case the > name: is needed but is missing, just name tag is > taken. > I think this is the

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

On Wednesday 25 April 2018, Jo wrote: > > There is this proposal: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ > Language_information_for_name That was a very different idea to what Frederik mentioned - this was meant to specify the language of the name=* tag. This was intended to

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-04-25 8:21 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > > 24. Apr 2018 21:29 by rich...@systemed.net: > > If I read Frederik's proposal right, the language=en tag would be placed on > the object with the name tag > > > Interesting idea, I like it. Is there already a page on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

Hi, maps.me took approach similar to Nominatim's: each map region has "default language" in metadata, and in case the name: is needed but is missing, just name tag is taken. Similar approach was used when making a map for Wargaming's World of Tanks, looking at the country's iso code. A list used

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

24. Apr 2018 21:29 by rich...@systemed.net : > If I read Frederik's proposal right, the language=en tag would be placed on > the object with the name tag > Interesting idea, I like it. Is there already a page on the OSM wiki describing this proposal?

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

Adding a language=xx to each feature seems excessive, and will be forgotten most of the time, unless there is some extensive tool support for it. Adding it to admin regions seems like a better approach. Some utility could then calculate a clean translation map, using admin_level number as the

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

I thought we were already indicating which language name is in, with the name:language=:iso tag? Hmm, apparently not: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Language_information_for_name Polyglot 2018-04-24 21:29 GMT+02:00 Richard Fairhurst : > Paul Norman

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

On Tuesday 24 April 2018, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Someone once suggested to have a special tag that indicates which > name tag should be used by default. I.e. we'd have tons of "name:xx" > tags plus one tag called e.g. "language=en", that would then mean: > The default name to use is the name:en

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

Paul Norman wrote: > If there's agreement that there is a problem here, I could look > at preparing a mechanical edit or MapRoulette challenge to add > name:* tags, e.g. adding name:en to objects in the US with > other name:* tags, and adding name:zh in China. As an > estimate, this would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

24. Apr 2018 20:03 by md...@xs4all.nl : > I think you're opening another can of worms here. How would this work out for > me (in Dutch) where I don't want to see places in latin script translated? I > do not want to see Londen or Berlijn or Brunswijk, I also don't want

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 08:16:08PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 04/24/2018 07:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > > If there's agreement that there is a problem here, I could look at > > preparing a mechanical edit or MapRoulette challenge to add name:* tags, > > e.g. adding name:en to

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:16:08 +0200 Frederik Ramm wrote: > I.e. we'd have tons of "name:xx" tags > plus one tag called e.g. "language=en", that would then mean: The > default name to use is the name:en name. > > I think this would be more elegant than the duplication that

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

On 24.04.2018 19:23, Paul Norman wrote: > It is sometimes recommended that when you add a name in another language > you also indicate the name in the local language by adding a suitable > name:* tag at the same time. For example, if adding "name:fr=Londres" to > London, you would also add

[OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

Hi, On 04/24/2018 07:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > If there's agreement that there is a problem here, I could look at > preparing a mechanical edit or MapRoulette challenge to add name:* tags, > e.g. adding name:en to objects in the US with other name:* tags, and > adding name:zh in China. As an

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

On 2018-04-24 19:40, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I fully agree that it is a problem. I encountered nasty issues after implementing name rendering fallback with following language order (order is simplified for this example): name:pl, name:en, name:de, name Intention was to render English name in

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

I fully agree that it is a problem. I encountered nasty issues after implementing name rendering fallback with following language order (order is simplified for this example): name:pl, name:en, name:de, name Intention was to render English name in China/Korea rather than unreadable (for typical

[OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

As part of my Wikimedia Foundation work, I'm working on labeling in multiple languages using OSM data. We've run into an issue, and it's not clear how to best solve it. It is sometimes recommended that when you add a name in another language you also indicate the name in the local language by