Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

I'm reviewing the fixes and adding changeset comments. The fixes are mostly good. It seems Hannah is occasionally adding area=yes on accident. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Hi, and thank you for the cleanup efforts! Please note that in some cases, people added buildings on top of buildings. Depending on your QA software, this can be hard to spot because it does not show up in diffs. > Have you already corrected or > reverted some of the errors that were noted? I

[OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Hi All, Ray, Hannah, Ryan and I have been correcting and validating for the last few hours to bring things back to good. Have you already corrected or reverted some of the errors that were noted? We noticed and corrected the following errors: - lines used as area markers - regions were not

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

On Sat, 2017-11-04 at 15:23 -0400, john whelan wrote: > You need to be given permission but having editted on OSM is not a > requirement. > > Cheerio John > > On 4 Nov 2017 3:20 pm, "Safwat Halaby" wrote: > > > Can anyone create HOT OSM tasks? Is there an entry barrier? > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

You need to be given permission but having editted on OSM is not a requirement. Cheerio John On 4 Nov 2017 3:20 pm, "Safwat Halaby" wrote: > Can anyone create HOT OSM tasks? Is there an entry barrier? > > The creator of task http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/3441 only has 5 >

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Can anyone create HOT OSM tasks? Is there an entry barrier? The creator of task http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/3441 only has 5 edits. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

On 31/10/2017 16:00, john whelan wrote: Often they have no knowledge of OpenStreetMap or their local area.  To them it's just helping the Red Cross or whatever. Everybody (unless they're "serving life without parole") has knowledge of _some_ local area.  If people really don't know what

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

I don't think that Andy's suggestions will work very well in practice. The reason is that a maperthon is often organised by someone such as a teacher who is looked on as an authority figure so their instructions will carry more weight with the new mappers and the mappers themselves often take the

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

For info, here's an example changeset discussion comment I've just written.  Where new mappers are not quite getting the hang of things it'd be great if before someone leaps to the mailing list to either complain abot or defend HOT and HOT mappers they could offer them advice and help about

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Hi, I spoke with the person responsible for the projects and they are out sick but aware of this thread and as soon as they are back on their feet this week, will get to working on the issue, it is a high priority for them. Regards, Blake On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Blake Girardot

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Greetings, I have also reached out to the person responsible for the projects both originally when brought up and just again today, but not heard back from them yet. Should I not hear back from the project creator today or tomorrow, I will probably temporarily remove the projects and the person

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Hi, On 31.10.2017 14:50, Pierre Béland wrote: > I suggest to transform this to an «Awesome OSM Geoweek» with focus on > the quality of edits, quality of leadership, of coaching of new > contributors. Yes, but we must be careful to explain what "quality" means to us. For example, if someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

For the OSM Geoweek in november, Invitations are made for groups, universities, etc. to create their own Mapathon. I suggest to transform this to an «Awesome OSM Geoweek» with focus on the quality of edits, quality of leadership, of coaching of new contributors.  Otherwise, this will simply be

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

On 31/10/2017 12:43, Frederik Ramm wrote: Have we found out anything about this yet? None of the users who have entries in changeset discussions have commented in those discussions, including the person who created the task at HOT.  I also don't see any attempt to tidy up the data after the

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Hi, On 29.10.2017 19:42, Andy Townsend wrote: > I'm sure that these new mappers mean well, but they > clearly haven't understood the task that they've been asked to perform > (or perhaps that task was somewhat inappropriate for brand-new users in > a place as densely populated as the West Bank).

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

On Sun, 2017-10-29 at 15:47 -0700, Mark Wagner wrote: > On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:15:18 +0200 > Safwat Halaby wrote: > > > - Adding closed ways with area=yes instead of building=yes, or with > > no > > tags at all > > A closed way with "area=yes" is a *very* common newbie

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Actually area=yes in Africa isn't that bad. In JOSM I quite often come across a settlement with thirty buildings drawn but not tagged and its a lot faster to select the area, validate it then add tags to thirty buildings at once rather than map thirty buildings. You do need to check them

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Some time ago I suggested that the user should choose the preset and *then* draw a feature. Such reversal is logical, allows to disable incompatible geometry types (such as building=* on lines and points) and even opens the door for displaying a concise tip on how to draw the object based on

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

You can also use OSM inspector to find untagged ways: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=tagging=-1.25144=5.12425=13=0.63=ways_without_tags and it's of course the better option instead of adding load to Overpass API. Polyglot 2017-10-30 2:47 GMT+01:00 Jo : > Untagged

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Untagged ways in a bbox: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/sFU way({{bbox}})(if:count_tags()==0)->.w1; rel(bw.w1);way(r)->.w2; (.w1; - .w2;); (._; >;); out meta; Michael beat me to the answer for the other query. Way too many comes near as an answer. Jo 2017-10-30 2:01 GMT+01:00 john whelan

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Pierre Béland schrieb: > Bryan Housel wrote: > > Many of the untagged ways are from JOSM and that warns before > uploading as well. > and > John Whelan wrote: > > Many of the untagged ways are from JOSM and that warns before > uploading as well. > > > It is always possible to query Overpass and

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Bryan Housel wrote:> Many of the untagged ways are from JOSM and that warns before uploading as well.and John Whelan wrote:> Many of the untagged ways are from JOSM and that warns before uploading as well. It is always possible to query Overpass and find such problems. But if applications such

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Next to the buttons for point, line and area, add a button to add rectangular buildings. Let user click 3 times instead of 5 and tag it as building=yes. Polyglot 2017-10-30 1:50 GMT+01:00 Bryan Housel : > Haha I promise I won’t be offended. I welcome the criticism - this

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Many of the untagged ways are from JOSM and that warns before uploading as well. Out of curiosity does any one have a count of the number of untagged ways and area=yes in the database? Thanks John On 29 Oct 2017 8:53 pm, "Bryan Housel" wrote: > Haha I promise I won’t be

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Haha I promise I won’t be offended. I welcome the criticism - this is part of working on something that matters to a lot of people. Anyway, iD already does train the user in the walkthrough how to assign tags, and iD does warn the user on the save screen if they are uploading untagged

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Yes, it's amazing that after all these years of reporting it, that BUG in iD still hasn't been resolved. But don't dare to complain, we might offend Bryan. Polyglot 2017-10-29 23:47 GMT+01:00 Mark Wagner : > On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:15:18 +0200 > Safwat Halaby

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:15:18 +0200 Safwat Halaby wrote: > - Adding closed ways with area=yes instead of building=yes, or with no > tags at all A closed way with "area=yes" is a *very* common newbie mistake with iD: the user traced an area, then forgot to tag it, or didn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

On Sun, 2017-10-29 at 20:13 +0100, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote: > Greetings, > > I SomeoneElse mentioned this in our HOT IRC channel. > > I have already asked the project creator to take a look. > > But, are you sure they are bad edits? did you use the 2016 imagery > specified in the mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

On 29/10/2017 21:33, Safwat Halaby wrote: User "Andrew" added things like "world's biggest refrigerator", "WHEEL OF FORTUNE", "ANDREWS BIGGEST CAR", "Concrete Thing", etc. For completeness, http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/sFM shows "Andrew's Dream Car". Reverting edits such as this makes sense to

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

On Sun, 2017-10-29 at 20:10 +0100, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote: > But, are you sure they are bad edits? did you use the 2016 imagery > specified in the mapping projet? > > For example, change set 53330616, the first one i randomly looked at > from you list looks like bad editing until you use

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

On Sun, 2017-10-29 at 22:24 +0100, Blake Girardot wrote: > Safwat, > > You are not helping things by unilaterally reverting things and > accusing people of vandalism after you asked HOT to look into it. > > At this point all I have seen from your first list was some newbie > edits with some

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Safwat, You are not helping things by unilaterally reverting things and accusing people of vandalism after you asked HOT to look into it. At this point all I have seen from your first list was some newbie edits with some newbie mistakes and some stuff that looked totally fine when using the

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Due to a mailing client config error, I'm unsure if I sent my messages privately or to the list (or at all). At the risk of repeating myself: The problems are not related to Imagery at all. They're blatantly obvious mapping issues like: - removing things and re-adding them for no apparent

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

2017-10-29 16:13 GMT-03:00 Blake Girardot HOT/OSM : > Greetings, > > I SomeoneElse mentioned this in our HOT IRC channel. > > I have already asked the project creator to take a look. > > But, are you sure they are bad edits? did you use the 2016 imagery > specified in

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Greetings, I SomeoneElse mentioned this in our HOT IRC channel. I have already asked the project creator to take a look. But, are you sure they are bad edits? did you use the 2016 imagery specified in the mapping projet? For example, change set 53330616, the first one i randomly looked at from

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

On 29/10/2017 17:18, Safwat Halaby wrote: There's a sudden influx of bad edits by different users related to Palestine HotOSM tasks. There's a "I've seen a problem; what should I do?" section on http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group which explains the steps to follow.  You've

Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

Here's some intentional vandalism (among the other horrible edits). https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/A_N_D_R_E_W There also seems to be a pattern of people removing and readding buildings or adding buildings on top of buildings. (Why are they doing that? Perhaps they have an assignment of a

[OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

There's a sudden influx of bad edits by different users related to Palestine HotOSM tasks. I don't know why. Perhaps it's a poorly-trained group? Incomplete list of relevant hotOSM tasks: 3441, 3447, 3759, 3768 Incomplete List of bad changesets: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53330583