Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 15/09/2023 10:43, Paul Norman wrote: They have edited it back with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/141281494. I've left a changeset discussion comment asking why, and asking for a link to the required documentation and consultation. Maybe I'm being over-cynical, but I suspect

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, aside from these apparently being undocumented bot edits, I'm also somewhat skeptical of their "healthcare:speciality" tag. It sounds terribly like advertising. It essentially covers everything you would expect a dentist to do - so why is healthcare=dentist not sufficient? Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-15 Thread Paul Norman
They have edited it back with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/141281494. I've left a changeset discussion comment asking why, and asking for a link to the required documentation and consultation. On 2023-09-14 12:36 a.m., Cj Malone wrote: On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 15:06 +0200,

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-15 Thread Andrew Hain
Is there a bot that does this or is someone prepared to write one? -- Andrew From: Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) Sent: 14 September 2023 10:39 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war Maybe there should be a general good

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-14 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
Maybe there should be a general good-practice recommendation / policy that bots running in this fashion to keep things in sync should only automatically add/update/remove a tag that they've previously set if the current state/value in OSM is unchanged from the last state/value that the bot set.

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-14 Thread Cj Malone
On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 15:06 +0200, Snusmumriken via talk wrote: > My speculation is that Distriktstandvården (a chain of dental > clinics) > has taken "ownership" of "their" nodes and once a day check that the > values in osm database correspond to that of their internal database. I've added a

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-12 Thread Snusmumriken via talk
On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 11:42 +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: >  There seems to have been an automated edit to add > opening_hours:covid19=same. >   >  I'm a bit curious how this can be an automated edit. Or does the bot > take external data of objects where the covid19 opening hours are the > same? >

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-12 Thread Marc_marc
Le 12.09.23 à 11:42, Maarten Deen a écrit : does the bot take external data of objects where the covid19 opening hours are the same? looking at the created_by, it import external data into osm I have posted a comment to resquest the link to the wiki page about it

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-12 Thread Maarten Deen
There seems to have been an automated edit to add opening_hours:covid19 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening%20hours:covid19?uselang=en-GB=same. I'm a bit curious how this can be an automated edit. Or does the bot take external data of objects where the covid19 opening hours are the

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-12 Thread Marc_marc
Le 12.09.23 à 10:49, Mateusz Konieczny via talk a écrit : Sep 12, 2023, 10:41 by marc_m...@mailo.com: Le 12.09.23 à 08:23, Snusmumriken via talk a écrit : I recently happen to witness an edit war between two bots, that changed a tag on an object back and forth

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
Sep 12, 2023, 10:41 by marc_m...@mailo.com: > Le 12.09.23 à 08:23, Snusmumriken via talk a écrit : > >> I recently happen to witness an edit war between two bots, that changed >> a tag on an object back and forth once a day >> > > id of the object ? >

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-12 Thread Marc_marc
Le 12.09.23 à 08:23, Snusmumriken via talk a écrit : I recently happen to witness an edit war between two bots, that changed a tag on an object back and forth once a day id of the object ? Shouldn't they be amended with something like; "A bot should not edit the same object twice" the bots

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
Sep 12, 2023, 09:45 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > Well, this one came to light only because it happened in a big city > where a local mapper happened to notice it. Who knows if there are > other bot wars going on in Siberia or elsewhere where there are very > few local mappers. > To be less

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-12 Thread Snusmumriken via talk
Well, this one came to light only because it happened in a big city where a local mapper happened to notice it. Who knows if there are other bot wars going on in Siberia or elsewhere where there are very few local mappers. And I don't mean that a bot never should be allowed to edit an object a

Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-12 Thread Casper Kersten
I think we can rely on reason and logic here instead of extra guidelines. This was obviously not intentional and we don't need to write guidelines against it. (Re-sent because I accidentally replied privately instead of to the mailing list) Op di 12 sep 2023 om 08:30 schreef Snusmumriken via

[OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

2023-09-12 Thread Snusmumriken via talk
I recently happen to witness an edit war between two bots, that changed a tag on an object back and forth once a day. It stopped once I pointed it out.  These are the guidelines for bots https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct Shouldn't they be amended with something