On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Darrin Smith wrote:
> Yahoo tracing often is out of date, doesn't always reflect the
> experience of one on the ground and is yet to properly align with GPS
> in any area I've looked at in S.A. These are all issues of Quality which
> GPS tracks can improve on because someone ac
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:01:14 + (UTC)
BlueMM wrote:
> I don't see the point of "remove the dependence on yahoo", either we
> are allowed to use it or we are not. Maybe it's a data purity thing,
> but then I must be only half a zealot :P
I don't trust the decision in the case of Yahoo, the cur
Luke Woolley writes:
>
> It seems to me that the "published edition" copyright only protects the layout
of the actual work, for example if someone scanned a published edition of some
kind from say 1976 then re-published it commercially, that would be a no-no. But
since this is only deriving the
Darrin Smith writes:
>
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:29:08 -0800 (PST)
> bluemm1975-...@... wrote:
>
> > Early on in my OSM career, I changed a freeway that was from a GPS
> > but the track wasn't accurate compared to nearby tracks/traces. So I
> > deleted it and traced from Yahoo, with lots of nodes
I also think that there's different rules or anything published prior to
the 1967 Copyright act... I remeber having the discussion with the
copyright person at the State Library of Vic a while ago, but the finer
points escape me... I can't remeber if it meant 1955-56 was the cut off
point or it
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Jack Burton wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 16:23 +1100, Patrick Jordan wrote:
> > This is fairly definitive:
> >
> > http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G090.pdf/view?searchte
> >rm=maps maps remain in copyright until 70 years after the creator's death.
>
> Um
2009/1/18 Liz :
> Important matter on copyright duration
> I realised only very recently that we haven't been reading the rules correctly
> and published material - the street directory, the paper map, expires after 25
> years at midnight on the next New Years Eve
>
>
> Published editions
>
> On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 16:23 +1100, Patrick Jordan wrote:
>> This is fairly definitive:
>>
>> http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G090.pdf/view?searchterm=maps
>> maps remain in copyright until 70 years after the creator's death.
Actually, it's more complex than that. That is w
Bloody hell! Now we can't even use an edition 1 Melway until 2036 now :
(. I could shoot off a email to Melway asking if we could use any of
their ancient maps for OpenStreetMap purposes. But I doubt it.
On 19/01/2009, at 5:00 PM, Jack Burton wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 16:23 +1100, Patr
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 16:23 +1100, Patrick Jordan wrote:
> This is fairly definitive:
>
> http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G090.pdf/view?searchterm=maps
> maps remain in copyright until 70 years after the creator's death.
Umm, doesn't that mean that the 1940 vintage street di
This is fairly definitive:
http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G090.pdf/view?searchterm=maps
maps remain in copyright until 70 years after the creator's death.
Patrick.
2009/1/19 Luke Woolley :
> It seems to me that the "published edition" copyright only protects the
> layout
It seems to me that the "published edition" copyright only protects
the layout of the actual work, for example if someone scanned a
published edition of some kind from say 1976 then re-published it
commercially, that would be a no-no. But since this is only deriving
the data from it and pub
My suggestion would be to seek some advice from someone who knows a bit more
about copyright in Australia before copying something. The staff at
libraries are usually trained to have some knowledge of it. I don't really
know what a "published edition" is.
Google brought this up -
http://www.unimel
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Liz wrote:
> > Do maps fall under "published editions" or "artistic works"? Cos that
> > will make a 25 year difference...
No, I'm not a lawyer (phew)
we are certainly taking the view that a map is a collection of facts
and certainly not an artistic work
(although Steve did m
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Matt White wrote:
> That would imply older Melways would be out of copyright (given they
> date back to early 70's-ish).
>
> Do maps fall under "published editions" or "artistic works"? Cos that
> will make a 25 year difference...
>
> Matt
How do I work out whether som
That would imply older Melways would be out of copyright (given they
date back to early 70's-ish).
Do maps fall under "published editions" or "artistic works"? Cos that
will make a 25 year difference...
Matt
Liz wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008, Cameron wrote:
>
>> I have recently been into the
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008, Cameron wrote:
> I have recently been into the SA state library and found an out of
> copyright SA street directory (from the 40s.) They had both Fuller's and
> Gregory's directories but the Gregory's were far easier to read and thus,
> to copy.
Important matter on copyright d
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:29:08 -0800 (PST)
bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Early on in my OSM career, I changed a freeway that was from a GPS
> but the track wasn't accurate compared to nearby tracks/traces. So I
> deleted it and traced from Yahoo, with lots of nodes along bends to
> make them smo
--- On Sun, 18/1/09, i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
> > source=* is different, since just because you tweak a few road bends
> > from a GPS track doesn't mean it wasn't derived from Yahoo tracing.
> > I'd suggest source=yahoo;gps in that case.
> > Of course I'm not a copyright lawyer, but that seems t
I too "found the light" after following the Talk mailing list, but had
already done ~8 months of tracing :-( Slowly fixing that up now.
I too think that data that has no source/source:name/source:ref tags
etc. is not trustworthy, but is better than nothing (because someone
can now see that it ne
I'm also a serial offender for not using the survey tag, but again, I
upload all my traces.
I do a bit of yahoo tracing as well, and don't directly mark that either...
But then again, I don't go and screw around with any existing nodes and
ways unless I've been there... however I have been know
"Or carried the gps with you on a side trek into the bushes for nature's
call"
Ok how about
amenity=toilets
permanent=no
PS - there have been some interersting discussions about tempory features
like Black Rock City (Burning Man).
Also should OSM have historical data (as either seperate datab
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Nick Hocking wrote:
> Eventually someone may use these traces without knowing if I was actually
> driving on the road the whole time.
Or carried the gps with you on a side trek into the bushes for nature's
call :-)
___
Talk-au mai
"There is a substantial amount of data with no source tag. I'd really like
to
know whether it was traced or surveyed, because then I'd know whether to go
down that street or not."
Liz,
I think there was a recent discussion about this and there was a school of
thought that said that if there
were
> I have since been tagging very extensively with source. I only trace stuff
> like rivers, canals and railways that I am not going to be travelling
> down.
Like wise.
Maybe there needs to be some thought put into the osm side of things about
survey being a required tag.
ie the editors (josm etc
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
> My thoughts on this is if it's not tagged then it's not surveyed.
>
> Cheers
> Ross
Initially I didn't tag my surveyed stuff as source=survey
There is just so much to learn about what really needs to be recorded, and I
once thought that unmarked st
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
>> This is really simple.
>>
>> If the source=survey don't change it unless you have resurveyed it.
>>
>> Under no circumstances change source=survey data with traced data.
>
> It is simple, but there are mappers who have done so.
> Then if someone h
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
> This is really simple.
>
> If the source=survey don't change it unless you have resurveyed it.
>
> Under no circumstances change source=survey data with traced data.
It is simple, but there are mappers who have done so.
Then if someone has not marke
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:36:43 +1000 (EST)
i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:21:02 +1000 (EST)
> > i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
> >
> >> > Nick, My worry with the Old map + yahoo combo is that some
> >> > armchair mappers may over-ride existing surveyed data (I've
> >> > already seen
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:21:02 +1000 (EST)
> i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
>
>> > Nick, My worry with the Old map + yahoo combo is that some armchair
>> > mappers may over-ride existing surveyed data (I've already seen
>> > surveyed stuff over-ridden by someone looking at yahoo a few times)
>> > maybe
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:39:54 +1030
Cameron wrote:
> Nick,
>
> The problem you describe can be caused without the use of yahoo
> imagery or out of copyright maps. If someone surveyed a street in
> 2006 and it has since been made oneway, it will not be updated unless
> someone is keeping a close e
Nick,
The problem you describe can be caused without the use of yahoo imagery or
out of copyright maps. If someone surveyed a street in 2006 and it has since
been made oneway, it will not be updated unless someone is keeping a close
eye on changes made by local councils. If a country road is bitum
"Encouraging on a quality contol level"
HI Darren,
Please excuse me for taking your quote a bit out of context but
My concern is if someone traces a road from Yahoo, and then it gets tagged
from a source other than the street signs
then the road is complete but has never been surveyed.
Yaho
I think that's an advertisement ;)
~Cameron
2009/1/17 Darrin Smith
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:32:12 +1030
> Cameron wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > The directory is now available at
> > http://www.osmaustralia.org/gregorysmaps.php Thanks to Matt White
> > (Gaffa) for the hosting!
> >
> > It's a great r
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:32:12 +1030
Cameron wrote:
> All,
>
> The directory is now available at
> http://www.osmaustralia.org/gregorysmaps.php Thanks to Matt White
> (Gaffa) for the hosting!
>
> It's a great resource for naming streets traced from Yahoo. When
> doing so, please tag your work as
All,
The directory is now available at
http://www.osmaustralia.org/gregorysmaps.php Thanks to Matt White (Gaffa)
for the hosting!
It's a great resource for naming streets traced from Yahoo. When doing so,
please tag your work as source = Gregory's 1949 (or more commonly,
source:name = Gregory's 1
Paul,
The cost to me was only $15 - I shall consider it my own personal donation
to OSM :) Thanks for the offer though. I will keep in mind your offer of a
scanner and backup hosting, as I have not yet figured out scanning and
hosting.
Thanks!
~Cameron
2008/12/31 Paul Schulz
> Hi Cameron,
>
>
Hi Cameron,
Excellent. Great work. This still sounds like it is expensive for you
to do. Would you like a donation towards this?
How are you planning on making the scans available? (Would the State
Library like to have a copy of the
I would me more than happy to host a backup copy for you, depen
All,
I have recently been into the SA state library and found an out of copyright
SA street directory (from the 40s.) They had both Fuller's and Gregory's
directories but the Gregory's were far easier to read and thus, to copy.
They are photocopying it for me now and once I have the copy I hope t
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