Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 13/1/17 11:51, Andrew Harvey wrote: I agree with this. The difference between unincorporated or not could be added by a new tag to indicate Or we could not break the model and use a different admin_level. , could be determined from the name, Thus requiring the data consumer to parse

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

> For practical purposes they perform the same duties, therefore the same admin_level should be used. I agree with this. The difference between unincorporated or not could be added by a new tag to indicate, could be determined from the name, or from the operator tag which links to the legal

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 13/1/17 11:21, Warin wrote: That would also suggest that states and territories should be in separate levels. Why? the current definition for level 4 is: "State or Territory Border" ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 10-Jan-17 07:19 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: So you want to put these areas into OSM, fair enough. But why do we have to break the definition of admin_level 6 when there are three admin_levels that are currently undefined, unusable, or redundant? That would also suggest that states and

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

So you want to put these areas into OSM, fair enough. But why do we have to break the definition of admin_level 6 when there are three admin_levels that are currently undefined, unusable, or redundant? Another option is admin_level 7 which is currently so vaguely defined that we could come

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

I agree that since the area is commonly known and and referred to as "Unincorporated Area of Far West NSW" so should be mapped in OSM and with that name. The other name tags In my opinion this area should be tagged as admin_level=6 since it acts and feels like other Shires, Councils, etc. Even if

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 03-Jan-17 04:15 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 3/1/17 13:24, Warin wrote: Near as I can figure .. your joking. No I'm being serious. Your proposal is to use level 6 to map the entity "that performs the function of a 'local government authority'". In the case of the western part of NSW

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 3/1/17 13:24, Warin wrote: Near as I can figure .. your joking. No I'm being serious. Your proposal is to use level 6 to map the entity "that performs the function of a 'local government authority'". In the case of the western part of NSW this is the New South Wales Government. That

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 02-Jan-17 08:12 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 30/12/16 10:44, Warin wrote: It does have an administration that performs the function of a 'local government authority'. There is an administration that performs the function of a 'local administration' . The authority exercised is, in

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 30/12/16 10:44, Warin wrote: It does have an administration that performs the function of a 'local government authority'. There is an administration that performs the function of a 'local administration' . The authority exercised is, in OSM terms, a level 6 authority. The 'best fit'

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 29-Dec-16 04:51 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 29/12/16 09:08, cleary wrote: I have a different view about whether the unincorporated areas actually exist. They have defined boundaries and names, both assigned by the respective State governments, and included in the LGA datasets. I have

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 29/12/16 09:08, cleary wrote: I have a different view about whether the unincorporated areas actually exist. They have defined boundaries and names, both assigned by the respective State governments, and included in the LGA datasets. I have seen the boundaries signposted when travelling in

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 29-Dec-16 09:30 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi all I would agree with Warin's latest suggested definition: "The boundary of an authority that is responsible for local government functions within that boundary." If there's "something"

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

Hi all I would agree with Warin's latest suggested definition: "The boundary of an authority that is responsible for local government functions within that boundary." If there's "something" there, we should be showing it! Further to Cleary's

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

Just my 2c: To the average map user, it seems that these are pretty much the same thing. (Unincorporated areas and local government boundaries.) While the technical definition is different, I'm not sure that matters so much. The 2 don't physically overlap or intersect. I don't see any

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

I have a different view about whether the unincorporated areas actually exist. They have defined boundaries and names, both assigned by the respective State governments, and included in the LGA datasets. I have seen the boundaries signposted when travelling in rural areas of both NSW and SA and

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 28-Dec-16 06:57 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 28/12/16 17:51, cleary wrote: In suggesting the term "Local Government Area", I was thinking of areas as shown in the Local Government Areas (LGA) datasets issued by state and territory governments The LGA dataset have metadata in them that

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 28/12/16 17:51, cleary wrote: In suggesting the term "Local Government Area", I was thinking of areas as shown in the Local Government Areas (LGA) datasets issued by state and territory governments The LGA dataset have metadata in them that indicate whether or not an area has a form of

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 28/12/16 17:51, cleary wrote: Perhaps I might have suggested different wording such as "local administrative districts including but not limited to shires, cities and municipalities". Fine, so long as you understand that none of those terms covers unincorporated areas.

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

In suggesting the term "Local Government Area", I was thinking of areas as shown in the Local Government Areas (LGA) datasets issued by state and territory governments (although, at the moment, I understand we have permissions only to use datasets from LPI NSW and SA Government Data). These

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 24-Dec-16 04:40 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 23/12/16 09:50, cleary wrote: I suggest a simple one-word change in the wiki so that Level 6 administrative boundaries in Australia would read "Local Government Area Border (e.g Shire/Council)" replacing "Local Government Authority Border (e.g

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

Lets have a while to think about it... no hurry? My initial though is that it should be a broader description .. "Border of a local government or an authority performing the functions of a local government

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

Your suggestion of … 'the simplest solution, changing the term "Local Government Authority" to "Local Government Area" in the wiki. is acceptable’ is a good solution for me as all these areas need to appear on the map. nevw > On 23 Dec 2016, at 8:50 AM, cleary wrote: > > > >

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

Thank you for the feedback about this issue. I understand that Andrew would prefer non-council LGAs be negatively mapped (i.e they constitute areas within a state that are not mapped as council LGAs) but I didn't perceive that to be the view of other respondents. It would also mean that the

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 21-Dec-16 05:10 PM, Warin wrote: Hummm How about looking at it from a data consumers view point? Who would use boundary level 6 and what for? A resident/occupier/potential purchaser/developer may want to know who is the relevant authority for a particular property ... A new employee many

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

Hummm How about looking at it from a data consumers view point? Who would use boundary level 6 and what for? A resident/occupier/potential purchaser/developer may want to know who is the relevant authority for a particular property ... A new employee many want confirmation of the boundaries of

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 2016-12-21 16:28, Warin wrote: :-[ Opps .. line on a map that does not represent what I though it did only one in NSW... on the mainland. Nah, you were right the first time. Lord Howe Island is unincorporated. ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 21-Dec-16 04:19 PM, Warin wrote: On 21-Dec-16 04:09 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 2016-12-21 15:57, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Just want to point out the advice from the wiki: /Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality/ /Things such as local traffic rules should only

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 2016-12-21 16:19, Warin wrote: Then how do you then separate out the TWO 'unincorporated areas' in NSW ?? I don't care...provided that you don't use an admin_level 6 boundary. May I suggest admin_level=-6 ? ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

Straw men seem to be popular this afternoon. The question is not whether or not you map an unincorporated area but how should you map it? One of your first actions was deletion from what I understand of the changesets, after a brief look. Until now you havent conveyed that message (your concern

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 21-Dec-16 04:09 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 2016-12-21 15:57, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Just want to point out the advice from the wiki: /Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality/ /Things such as local traffic rules should only be mapped through the objects which

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 2016-12-21 15:57, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Just want to point out the advice from the wiki: /Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality/ /Things such as local traffic rules should only be mapped through the objects which represent these rules on the ground, e.g. a

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

Just want to point out the advice from the wiki: *Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality* *Things such as local traffic rules should only be mapped through the objects which represent these rules on the ground, e.g. a traffic sign, road surface marking. Other rules

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 2016-12-21 15:30, Warin wrote: There is an authority that performs the role of a 'local council' in these areas ... I don't care what it is called. There is in effect a 'local council' there, it is not 'no mans' land', the 'wild west' etc. Nice straw man there... Who said that no council

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 2016-12-21 14:53, Warin wrote: On 21-Dec-16 11:38 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 2016-12-21 11:01, Warin wrote: So the governance is irrelevant to the issue ... the area is managed by 'something' ..that 'something' should be treated the same way in OSM for the same function. The area is

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 21-Dec-16 11:38 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 2016-12-21 11:01, Warin wrote: So the governance is irrelevant to the issue ... the area is managed by 'something' ..that 'something' should be treated the same way in OSM for the same function. The area is managed by the State of New South

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 2016-12-21 11:01, Warin wrote: So the governance is irrelevant to the issue ... the area is managed by 'something' ..that 'something' should be treated the same way in OSM for the same function. The area is managed by the State of New South Wales and there is already a admin_level 4

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

It's pretty simple: 1. Admin level 6 boundaries are supposed to enclose a "Local Government Authority". 2. In NSW the only form of "Local Government Authority" are councils incorporated under the Local Government Act. 3. The areas covered by these councils are "incorporated areas". 4. The

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

On 21-Dec-16 09:15 AM, cleary wrote: I have been adding administrative boundaries in NSW and SA using the Government data for which OSM has been given explicit permission. I am currently working on the "Pastoral Unincorporated Area" in SA and another mapper commented that it was inappropriate. I

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

Its an interesting one - unlike suburbs, LGAs don't really have a physical presence or much you can survey; even though they have a spatial relationship/are often defined by physical features. For being surveyable... maybe you get a 'welcome to foo shire' sign or two. I would say that* if an LGA

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

Speaking of SA only I would define the LGA locations administered by the Outback Communities Authority as Unincorporated as - thats how other hierarchies used by Government, ABS etc define it, and every point in SA is either in an LGA or Unincorporated - Unincorporated means Outback Communities