On Monday 15 October 2012 17:35:27 Julien Fastré wrote:
> I am sorry for the late answer, the week-end was full of activities.
>
> I would also prefer a "belgian" assocation than a "regional one".
It all depends on what you want to do with the association. And so far it's
been mostly about apply
I am sorry for the late answer, the week-end was full of activities.
I would also prefer a "belgian" assocation than a "regional one".
- we are quite few, we need to do a lot of work: I think we should
gather our energy and, maybe later, thinks about splitting if necessary.
We are to few for a
KISS rocks.
Thanks to you all.
Please, help us review the proposed bylaws in French that are adequate for
a asbl (I copied them from a working and reviewed asbl working on Free
Software), and add the points that would be needed to take care of Ivo's
initial proposal.
Unfortunately, I have limite
Hey everybody.
I am the one refered to by Eimai, and did the exercise a few years ago to
create the bylaws, but stopped because there was no urgent need at that
time; no assets, no concrete fundgathering initiatives on the horizon.
It is cool to see movement as people see the need to have a a
2012/10/12 Ben Laenen
>
>
> I vote for one Wallonian/French speaking organization. If it's ever needed
> we
> can extend that organization to cover the whole Belgium, or start a Flemish
> one, after having thought about it a bit more than two days and after
> having
> had more experience with wha
On Friday 12 October 2012 17:21:16 wannes wrote:
> In favor of KISS:
>
> Just make a Belgian asbl, based in Wallonia/Brussels with French bylaws.
>
> If needed we can always found a second Belgian asbl, with Dutch bylaws. If
> not needed we don't.
I vote for one Wallonian/French speaking organiz
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Ben Laenen wrote:
>
> But for now, we don't even need an organization for Flanders. So if you
> want
> to get funding from the French Community, I'd say that you create your
> Walloon
> asbl. Everything can just be in French, no need for translation, no need to
>
On Friday 12 October 2012 14:49:45 Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> In such a way, why do we really car that the association be one or two for
> Belgium, where indeed, in order to get money, you would better, in general,
> in the culture fields rather be regionnal ?
We should care if it matters to the ob
2012/10/12 Dennis Bollyn
> The problem for me is that the association is basically overhead. It costs
> money and effort to maintain it while not offering any intrinsic benefits.
indeed
> The only reason we are considering it is because of a (possible) donation
> from the government. Creating
The problem for me is that the association is basically overhead. It costs
money and effort to maintain it while not offering any intrinsic benefits.
The only reason we are considering it is because of a (possible) donation
from the government. Creating two separate associations would double the
ov
2012/10/12 Ben Laenen
> Er, that's basically what the vzw/asbl would be: to support the community.
> The
> vzw/asbl won't ever *be* the community if that's what you're suggesting.
> And
> it will certainly not be some kind of governing power over the community.
>
> exact.
> Just like OSM and O
On Friday 12 October 2012 13:44:59 Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> I am now asking myself and the list : if we follow you, what about going on
> with this list and the OSM wiki as usual, see this as the true OSM-BE and
> consider the associations, one in each parts on Belgium, as some kind of
> administr
What is the personnal involvement you are refering to Benoit ?
You say
> I'm working in an ancient national environnemental association who has
splitted in the 80's in three regional association.
Have you got an idea of the good reasons to split ?
Some reasons could be : to do as anyone else at
On Friday 12 October 2012 13:16:37 Benoit Coumont wrote:
> So I vote for regional entities with strong links established to keep
> contact and share our works. I see I'm alone to think like that for the
> moment. The democracy should win and I'll assume the choice of the
> community. But, personnal
Hello,
I would be in favor for two associations, one in Wallonia and Brussels
and one in Flanders and Brussels. In Wallonia, we need to give priority
to this open door with the Region. It will be possible later to create a
network linking belgian and europeans associations to work together in
2012/10/11 Sander Deryckere
> For what it's worth.
>
> Btw, this can help sometimes when having problems with
> acronyms:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FWIW
>
thanks a lot
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For what it's worth.
Btw, this can help sometimes when having problems with
acronyms:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FWIW
2012/10/11 Nicolas Pettiaux
> 2012/10/11 wannes
>
>> FWIW
>>
>
> I don't understand FWIW
>
> --
> Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc - gsm : +32 496 24 55 01
> Lepacte
2012/10/11 wannes
> FWIW
>
I don't understand FWIW
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> This is a real pleasure on this list. We are IMHO effective and
> respectful of each other.
> I like it a lot in this country where languages and associated feelings
> too often creates the problem.
>
+1
> My proposal : let's go with F
2012/10/11 wannes
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
>
>> Because Brussels is bilingual it would make things easier moving to a
>>> bilingual ASBL/VWZ afterwards (altough I don't see any benefit from being
>>> bilingual officialy, now we do almost everything in English ...
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> Because Brussels is bilingual it would make things easier moving to a
>> bilingual ASBL/VWZ afterwards (altough I don't see any benefit from being
>> bilingual officialy, now we do almost everything in English ...)
>>
>> as long as we work
The only problem I see with Triodos is that it doesn't seem to be possible
to do any cash transactions (withdraw or deposit money) or have a card.
This would make simple purchases quite difficult.
Keytrade doesn't seem to have these problems, but I have no personal
experience with them.
On Thu, O
On Thursday 11 October 2012 16:11:52 wannes wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux
wrote:
> > As I live in Brussels, I also propose and would like to be involved in the
> > association.
>
> Would it be possible to have te official adress at your place? Because
> Brussels is bi
2012/10/11 wannes
> Yes.
> Please go for French bylaws and unofficial translation, if speed is
> important.
>
> indeed
> As I live in Brussels, I also propose and would like to be involved in the
>> association.
>>
>
> Would it be possible to have te official adress at your place?
yes
> Beca
Online this will probably take long.
Is anyone willing to organise a meeting in real life (preferably on some
central place)? Maybe make a doodle to see when most people are available.
2012/10/11 Nicolas Pettiaux
>
> +1 to the idea to get input from the person who proposed bylaws in Flemish
> .
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
>
>
> As far as I know, we can start with the statuts/Statutes in 1 language and
> the have them translated, either officially (= published to the moniteur
> with the first one) or unofficially (= just for us and interested people)
>
Yes.
P
2012/10/11 Ben Abelshausen
> I would also like to fully support this any way I can... Also 1
> organisation please! :-)
>
> +42 (the answer to the question of the universe)
until as said, the country is splitted or we are forced or convinced to
split.
As far as I know, we can start with the sta
I would also like to fully support this any way I can... Also 1
organisation please! :-)
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Ben Laenen wrote:
> On Thursday 11 October 2012 15:19:45 Julien Fastré wrote:
> > I was proposing voting on the modifications, not on the bylaws ! I am
> > sorry you misunder
On Thursday 11 October 2012 15:19:45 Julien Fastré wrote:
> I was proposing voting on the modifications, not on the bylaws ! I am
> sorry you misunderstood...
>
> Of course, it is not the time to vote !!! and we will need a real
> meeting for that !!
My bad :-)
Ben
_
I was proposing voting on the modifications, not on the bylaws ! I am
sorry you misunderstood...
Of course, it is not the time to vote !!! and we will need a real
meeting for that !!
Julien
Le 11/10/12 15:17, Ben Laenen a écrit :
On Thursday 11 October 2012 15:06:47 Julien Fastré wrote:
I
On Thursday 11 October 2012 15:06:47 Julien Fastré wrote:
> I made my proposals on the talk page: it may be easier...
>
> Should we organize vote ?
You guys are moving so fast, you just announced this yesterday evening and now
you're already voting on the statutes? Statutes have to be reviewed q
I made my proposals on the talk page: it may be easier...
Should we organize vote ?
Julien
Le 11/10/12 14:53, eMerzh a écrit :
about the bylaws published i have some comments but should i set them
on the wiki (discussion? ) or here?
like the "Object de l'assoc.. " (art 3.1 ) .. we need t
about the bylaws published i have some comments but should i set them
on the wiki (discussion? ) or here?
like the "Object de l'assoc.. " (art 3.1 ) .. we need to be more OSM specific .
I like the opendata mouvement but OSM-belgium is about OSM ..; if we
can in the process give access to other o
Ok. +1 for me.
Until now, we have never heard on this list the proposal to have 2
organisations.
Thinking about that, I was imagined also a possibility to have two
organisations with a representation of the other one in the board of
each one... But for thoses people, it means having to keep
My vote goes to 1 organisation (until we split the country, lol, just
kidding). I don't see a problem with only having the bylaws in 1 language,
even if it is French :-).
Jo
2012/10/11 eMerzh
> I can help too... (i live in brussels)
>
> The first thing to choose is if we do 2 or 1 organisatio
I can help too... (i live in brussels)
The first thing to choose is if we do 2 or 1 organisation (with maybe
regional points)
Then we need to discuss the object of the association ...
and i think we need to become a real "local chapter" to be able to use
osm logo / ...
_
Did you ever heard about some association having two statuts/statuten ?
In case of problem, which one should we refer to ?
I think we should choose one language for the statuts/statuten, and
having a place in it where we say that we accept document in another
language (PV/verslag, enz)
Julie
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Dennis Bollyn wrote:
> I would also prefer to have a single organization for Belgium. This does
> have some practical implications. For one, the "siège
> social/maatschappelijke zetel" should probably be in Brussels. This allows
> the statuts/statuten to be biling
I would also prefer to have a single organization for Belgium. This does
have some practical implications. For one, the "siège
social/maatschappelijke zetel" should probably be in Brussels. This allows
the statuts/statuten to be bilingual. This does mean we need a volunteer in
Brussels.
There is q
2012/10/11 wannes
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Ben Laenen wrote:
>
>>
>> Also, living on the other side of our linguistic border, what do we
>> actually
>> prefer: one such organization to span Belgium, or two separate ones?
>> Right now
>> I don't see many Flemish people involved...
>>
>
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Ben Laenen wrote:
>
> Also, living on the other side of our linguistic border, what do we
> actually
> prefer: one such organization to span Belgium, or two separate ones? Right
> now
> I don't see many Flemish people involved...
>
I prefer just one.
Makes it ea
Hi,
one question I have of course: if you do get the money, what will you be doing
with it :-)
Also, living on the other side of our linguistic border, what do we actually
prefer: one such organization to span Belgium, or two separate ones? Right now
I don't see many Flemish people involved...
Le 11 octobre 2012 10:29, Pol a écrit :
> Je suis dispo pour aider !
>
> -*φol d.*-
>
super.
Merci de partager avec nous tes suggestions dans cette liste et dans la
proposition de statuts éventuellement.
Que proposes-tu de faire ? De prendre en charge ? D'organiser ? Où
habites-tu ?
Nicolas
Je suis dispo pour aider !
-*φol d.*-
2012/10/10 Julien Fastré
> Goeieavond,
> Bonsoir,
>
> (français ci-dessous)
>
> Ik ga mij in het Frans uitdrukken: het is gemakkelijker voor mij. Maar
> ik heb geen probleem als iemand liever in het Nederlands schreeft !
>
> Een klein samenvatting, toch!
Goeieavond,
Bonsoir,
(français ci-dessous)
Ik ga mij in het Frans uitdrukken: het is gemakkelijker voor mij. Maar
ik heb geen probleem als iemand liever in het Nederlands schreeft !
Een klein samenvatting, toch! Een subsidie is haalbar bij de Waalse
Regio voor een "openstreetmap vereniging". Nic
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