Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-12 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
2012/11/11 wannes > Will contact them. > thanks -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc - gsm : 0496 24 55 01 - wiki.rmll.be - wiki.wlsm.be RMLL - World libre software and culture meeting - WLSM Soutenez la candidature de Bruxelles, 6 => 11/7/2013. Liste orga sur http://lc.cx/Zia Support Brussels as candid

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-11 Thread wannes
Will contact them. Op 11 nov. 2012 13:39 schreef "Jan-willem De Bleser" het volgende: > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Ben Laenen wrote: > > On Thursday 08 November 2012 23:38:18 Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: > >> I have only one issue. The license says they retain all their IP > >> rights, so

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-11 Thread Jan-willem De Bleser
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Ben Laenen wrote: > On Thursday 08 November 2012 23:38:18 Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: >> I have only one issue. The license says they retain all their IP >> rights, so is this compatible with the contributor terms of OSM? Or, >> are we maybe creating a derivative

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 08 November 2012 23:38:18 Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: > I have only one issue. The license says they retain all their IP > rights, so is this compatible with the contributor terms of OSM? Or, > are we maybe creating a derivative work when we map based on their > data? Every mapper keep

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 11 November 2012 11:26:59 Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: > Unless that by mapping based on their data, rather than importing > *their* data we instead create a derivative work. There aren't any > restrictions on derivative works, right? Wouldn't importing the data directly into OSM already

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-11 Thread Jan-willem De Bleser
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > It also says: > "De gebruiker mag deze licentie alleen overdragen aan een derde > partij met de schriftelijke toestemming van de licentiegever" > > It think that basicly prevents us from using it, it basicly says > we can't distribute it to

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-10 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 11:38:18PM +0100, Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: > Another relevant point in the license: > > "De toegekende rechten hebben betrekking op: ... De samenstelling van > collaboratieve databases - Het maken van tijdelijke of permanente, en > geheel of gedeeltelijke reproducties me

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-09 Thread wannes
I'm rather optimistic too. Altough I am not at all into the licensing things, I can try and contact the Antwerp administration. I'll contact the people working on the website asking for the direct contact of the people responsible for the licence. On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-08 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
I have not read the licences and I am rather an optimistic too. I think we, the osm community, should take this opportunity to explain to the Antwerp administration the fifficulties we may run into and the fact that we *want* to collaborate, and fully respect their IP but at the same time make sur

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-08 Thread Sander Deryckere
It's normal they keep their IP rights. It means that they still have to right to give the data to selected people under another license (like a license that doesn't require source mentioning). All people do this, also open-source software writers. Apart from that, I agree they are talking to us,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-08 Thread Jo
Maybe User A can set up a way to compare what is in the dataset and what is in OSM every once in a while? Jo 2012/11/8 Ben Laenen > On Thursday 08 November 2012 23:21:17 Sander Deryckere wrote: > > I do have some problems with the phrase "De gebruiker verbindt zich ertoe > > de licentiegever o

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-08 Thread Jan-willem De Bleser
Another relevant point in the license: "De toegekende rechten hebben betrekking op: ... De samenstelling van collaboratieve databases - Het maken van tijdelijke of permanente, en geheel of gedeeltelijke reproducties met om het even welk middel en in om het even welke vorm, met inbegrip van afgelei

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-08 Thread Jo
I'm an optimist, not a lawyer, so I read that they explicitly allow that the data gets added to a collaborative database. In another paragraph it says we are not allowed to transfer that license to somebody else, but since everybody can use the data on the same terms, there would never be a need to

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 08 November 2012 23:21:17 Sander Deryckere wrote: > I do have some problems with the phrase "De gebruiker verbindt zich ertoe > de licentiegever op de hoogte te stellen van ontbrekende of onregelmatige > gegevens die hij in de datasets ontdekt." I wonder if "op de hoogte > stellen" mean

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-08 Thread Sander Deryckere
Every user of OpenStreetMap should link to the copyright: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright In the copyright, there's a link to the OSM contributors: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors If that list contains the opendata project from Antwerp, it's OK. As the sources are linked qu

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 08 November 2012 22:05:35 wannes wrote: > The city of Antwerp is opening some data it has (boundaries, playgrounds, > ...) in order to have some smartphone-apps developed. > > Can we (and may we!) use some of the datasets? > > http://opendata.antwerpen.be/datasets > http://opendata.an