[Talk-ca] 031G05 - Ottawa area

2009-10-29 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi all, I took a look at the 031G05 area, and (thankfully) the file that SteveS put up there is still available, so i made a copy of it and stored it on the mediafire.com site. So i had a look, and ya, it's just like Vancouver, where because of the buildings, and yahoo imagery which might be a bit

Re: [Talk-ca] Users in Ottawa and Geobase

2009-10-29 Thread Gerald A
Hi John, On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:19 PM, john whelan wrote: > My objective at the moment is to get something sane that can be used > by various groups in the city with GPS devices to tag trees, heritage > buildings etc. So, if I'm understanding what you say above and in previous e-mails, you

Re: [Talk-ca] Users in Ottawa and Geobase

2009-10-29 Thread James Ewen
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Gerald A wrote: > I think Sam was hinting at "wholesale deletion and replacement", rather then > "editing permission". That's the problem, hinting at an idea is not an accurate statement. Sam (and others) have made a number of generic statements, when they are ta

Re: [Talk-ca] Users in Ottawa and Geobase

2009-10-29 Thread John Whelan
Let's recap, I've seen no substantiation for the statement that thousands of hours of work will be lost.  I've seen nothing from any one else who has done any GPS traces in Ottawa.  I've seen two different places where the existing OSM map is 100 meters out from a GPS measurement. Basically th

Re: [Talk-ca] Users in Ottawa and Geobase

2009-10-29 Thread Adam Glauser
John Whelan wrote: > Basically the map in Ottawa is unreliable but we don't know where. > There seems to be no way of knowing whether a road has been mapped by > GPS trace or sketched in by hand. If I understand the process correctly, to do an import from Geobase you would need to use a script

Re: [Talk-ca] Users in Ottawa and Geobase

2009-10-29 Thread James A. Treacy
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:53:45PM -0400, Adam Glauser wrote: > John Whelan wrote: > > Basically the map in Ottawa is unreliable but we don't know where. > > There seems to be no way of knowing whether a road has been mapped by > > GPS trace or sketched in by hand. > > If I understand the proce

Re: [Talk-ca] Users in Ottawa and Geobase

2009-10-29 Thread James Ewen
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:36 AM, John Whelan wrote: > Let's recap, I've seen no substantiation for the statement that thousands of > hours of work will be lost. We've seen no substantiation that all of Ottawa is a bunch of garbage. I'm not sure how you can believe that all of the work done so f

Re: [Talk-ca] Users in Ottawa and Geobase

2009-10-29 Thread Gerald A
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:36 PM, John Whelan wrote: > Basically the map in Ottawa is unreliable but we don't know where. There > seems to be no way of knowing whether a road has been mapped by GPS trace or > sketched in by hand. > Any map can be unreliable, and often providers of such maps don

[Talk-ca] Number of Mappers in Ottawa

2009-10-29 Thread Richard Degelder
A quick look at the number of mappers that have contributed to Ottawa there are a lot of individuals and that excludes the GeoBase import. At least some do not live in the Ottawa area, but that also does not preclude their visiting and adding to the map, and I am not sure the tools that they used

Re: [Talk-ca] Number of Mappers in Ottawa mail got munched

2009-10-29 Thread Richard Degelder
My initial mail seems to have been truncated and hopefully this will be better A quick look at the number of mappers that have contributed to the map of Ottawa shows that there are a lot of individuals and that excludes the rather minor contribution from the GeoBase import. At least some of the p

Re: [Talk-ca] Users in Ottawa and Geobase

2009-10-29 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:19 PM, john whelan wrote: > My objective at the moment is to get something sane that can be used > by various groups in the city with GPS devices to tag trees, heritage > buildings etc. Super. You have groups of interested people, motivated and equipped? Then your mappi

Re: [Talk-ca] Number of Mappers in Ottawa mail got munched

2009-10-29 Thread James Ewen
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Richard Degelder wrote: > A quick look at the number of mappers that have contributed to the map of > Ottawa shows that there are a lot of individuals and that excludes the > rather minor contribution from the GeoBase import. > The source of this data can be foun

Re: [Talk-ca] Number of Mappers in Ottawa mail got munched

2009-10-29 Thread John Whelan
Thank you some meaningful numbers on mappers at least which was not immediately apparent.   So it looks as if we'll just have to wait until the mess gets straighten out. I found two on OSM, one wasn't active and the other, Marc Sensei, didn't respond.  My premise of just dropping in the Geobas

Re: [Talk-ca] Number of Mappers in Ottawa mail got munched

2009-10-29 Thread James Ewen
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:32 PM, John Whelan wrote: > So it looks as if we'll just have to wait until the > mess gets straighten out. Do you have any idea what happens if we ALL take that attitude? There is no "them" in OSM, it's an "us" type community. > I found two on OSM, one wasn't active a

Re: [Talk-ca] Number of Mappers in Ottawa mail got munched

2009-10-29 Thread john whelan
When you use people whose first interest isn't mapping in large numbers you need to keep it simple. I've used little old ladies in electric wheel chairs before now to take photographs of specific locations on the other side of the Atlantic. Worked fine but they do get confused easily so if someth

Re: [Talk-ca] Users in Ottawa and Geobase

2009-10-29 Thread Andrew MacKinnon
> Wholesale deletion of the work of many volunteers without their > consent seems even less likely to generate a positive outcome.  I > would consider that wholesale deletion to be vandalism. I strongly agree. Manually edited data should never be removed and replaced automatically with a data impo

[Talk-ca] Anybody know who/what vreimer is?

2009-10-29 Thread Adam Dunn
In my hometown of Chilliwack, there's a new overpass/section of road opening tomorrow. It's been open to pedestrians for the past week, so I've already collected gps tracks of it, and added as "construction". Tonight I went to remove the construction tag, and see that vreimer messed up the geometry

Re: [Talk-ca] Anybody know who/what vreimer is?

2009-10-29 Thread Sam Vekemans
Thanks Adam, As we disussed on chat. I'll contact that user. (no need for others too) Cheers, Sam Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails On Thu, Oct