Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada

Why and by what authority? We are talking individual imports here by different people. At least two members of OSMF were and are aware of them and nothing has been said before. Whose rules are we talking here? Cheerio John On 1 September 2016 at 15:42, Michael Reichert

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Hi John, Am 2016-09-01 um 14:47 schrieb john whelan: > The Canvec data was imported with the knowledge and support of the local > mappers and I think that's all that matters. An import of such a size and has to be discussed and approved on an international level. Best regards Michael -- Per

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] broken forests in eastern Canada On 2016-09-01 09:05 AM, Begin Daniel wrote: > > - Run a better version of the preprocessor on the Canvec raw data and > reimport them again? Not possible. Canvec data has been produced and > renew between 2010 and 2012 by our national mapping a

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On 2016-09-01 09:05 AM, Begin Daniel wrote: > > - Run a better version of the preprocessor on the Canvec raw data and > reimport them again? Not possible. Canvec data has been produced and > renew between 2010 and 2012 by our national mapping agency (NRCan). > The product is now static (no

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September, 2016 10:19 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada On September 1st, John Whelan wrote: > I suggest we formally request that he is prevented from making any > changes within Canada and his reversals be reverted. > The Canvec data was

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His goal might be to improve the data quality and that us something I'm in favour of but the CANVEC data was imported over a long period of time. Deleting the imported changesets on basically a whim is not improving data quality. Yes some of the data could have been better imported, but Canada is

[Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada

On September 1st, John Whelan wrote: > I suggest we formally request that he is prevented from making any changes > within Canada and his reversals be reverted. > The Canvec data was imported with the knowledge and support of the local > mappers and I think that's all that matters. I disagree!

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[mailto:naka...@gmx.net] Sent: Thursday, 1 September, 2016 08:40 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada Hi, Am 01.09.2016 um 01:21 schrieb dega: > On Aug 31, Daniel Bégin wrote: >> On the same topic, it has been suggested to split woo

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I'm not sure if anyone from the DWG will do anything, but I agree he should be prevented from making changes to Canada. He thinks he knows better than the local mappers On Sep 1, 2016 8:49 AM, "john whelan" wrote: > It would appear that Michael has no appreciation of how

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It would appear that Michael has no appreciation of how we the local community work or of how large Canada is nor does he appear to be able to communicate with us and understand our concerns. I suggest we formally request that he is prevented from making any changes within Canada and his

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Hi, Am 01.09.2016 um 01:21 schrieb dega: > On Aug 31, Daniel Bégin wrote: >> On the same topic, it has been suggested to split wooded areas in smaller >> chunks by using features on the ground as outer limits (mostly roads, >> streams, rivers) and get rid of arbitrary rectangles from Canvec. >>

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On 2016-08-29 23:47:28, Gordon Dewis wrote: >> I believe it would be more important to map out park boundaries than >> actual forest limits which, quite unfortunately, change in pretty >> dramatic ways in Québec, due to massive logging that has been happening >> for decades. > > Park boundaries

[Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada

On Aug 31, Daniel Bégin wrote: > On the same topic, it has been suggested to split wooded areas in smaller > chunks by using features on the ground as outer limits (mostly roads, > streams, rivers) and get rid of arbitrary rectangles from Canvec. > Is it something we are aiming at? The grid is

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>>> it something we are aiming at? >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 August, 2016 07:00 >>> *To:* Sam Dyck >>&

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we are aiming at? >> >> >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 August, 2016 07:00 >> *To:* Sam Dyck >> *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap >> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] broken forest

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id of arbitrary rectangles from Canvec. Is it > something we are aiming at? > > > > Daniel > > > > *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 August, 2016 07:00 > *To:* Sam Dyck > *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca

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from Canvec. Is it something we are aiming at? Daniel From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 31 August, 2016 07:00 To: Sam Dyck Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada > we need to have a "Whats up with the forests i

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> we need to have a "Whats up with the forests in Canada?" page on the wiki to explain our situation and how we've tried to deal with it Sounds like a plan. Cheerio John On 30 August 2016 at 22:41, Sam Dyck wrote: > After reading through the changeset discussion, I

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After reading through the changeset discussion, I discovered that one of my imports in Northern Manitoba made Worst of OSM. ( http://worstofosm.tumblr.com/post/22180046353/dear-openstreetmap-isnt-it-strange-how-the). As someone who spends a some time amount of time in some of relatively

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On 2016-08-30 09:18 AM, James wrote: > He's even going to revert my work: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41776742 > I've forwarded this to the DWG, it's getting rediculous. Using a dedicated account for imports is one of the few "musts". Nakaner may be being a little officious here, but

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ap; john whelan; Adam Martin Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada Not sure if you are sarcastic or serious... but anyways, I'm glad the rest of talk-ca feels the same way(sorry for highjacking fix the forest thread even though it was kind of related) On Aug 30, 2016 8

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il.com> wrote: No sarcasm at all, why? Sorry you got that impression L Daniel *From:* James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 30 August, 2016 20:50 *To:* Begin Daniel *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap; john whelan; Adam Martin *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada

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No sarcasm at all, why? Sorry you got that impression ☹ Daniel From: James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 August, 2016 20:50 To: Begin Daniel Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap; john whelan; Adam Martin Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada Not sure if you

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ncerns, provided independently... That is cool! Daniel *From:* Adam Martin [mailto:s.adam.mar...@gmail.com <s.adam.mar...@gmail.com>] *Sent:* Tuesday, 30 August, 2016 19:15 *To:* john whelan *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada I've

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Wow, same ideas, same concerns, provided independently... That is cool! Daniel From: Adam Martin [mailto:s.adam.mar...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 August, 2016 19:15 To: john whelan Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada I've contacted him as well

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greement with >>> Daniel message. :) >>> >>> >>> Pierre >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *De :* Begin Daniel <jfd...@hotmail.com> >>> *À :* James <james2...@gmail.com>; Adam Martin <s.adam.mar...@g

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il.com> >> *À :* James <james2...@gmail.com>; Adam Martin <s.adam.mar...@gmail.com> >> *Cc :* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> >> *Envoyé le :* mardi 30 août 2016 17h35 >> *Objet :* Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada >> >&g

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il.com> > *Cc :* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> > *Envoyé le :* mardi 30 août 2016 17h35 > *Objet :* Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada > > I have contacted the user that is about/has deleted some changesets > imported from Canvec. I may agr

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Adam Martin <s.adam.mar...@gmail.com> Cc : Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> Envoyé le : mardi 30 août 2016 17h35 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada #yiv2492822147 #yiv2492822147 -- _filtered #yiv2492822147 {font-family:Calibri;panos

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a stronger community, not discourage people to contribute because they have made errors... Daniel From: James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 August, 2016 09:18 To: Adam Martin Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada He's even going

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He's even going to revert my work: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41776742 I've forwarded this to the DWG, it's getting rediculous. On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Adam Martin wrote: > That's a pretty harsh thing to deal with. Imports are difficult and the >

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That's a pretty harsh thing to deal with. Imports are difficult and the time needed to get them right is not a small investment. To have someone review this work is a valuable service, but I don't think just blanket reverting due to the violation of one rule is the solution, especially in context

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Andrew, I hear you! I have been trying to add data around unmapped Northern Communities around James Bay and Nunavut. But after someone revert some of my work I'm stopping:( John On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Andrew wrote: > On Mon, 2016-08-29 at 23:47 -0400,

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Andrew, you best be careful there is a german that is reverting CanVec imports for stupid little reasons see: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39517002 On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Andrew wrote: > On Mon, 2016-08-29 at 23:47 -0400, Gordon Dewis wrote: > >

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gt; À : James <james2...@gmail.com>; Gordon Dewis <gor...@pinetree.org> Cc : Antoine Beaupré <anar...@orangeseeds.org>; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> Envoyé le : mardi 30 août 2016 6h30 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada

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On Mon, 2016-08-29 at 23:47 -0400, Gordon Dewis wrote: > > > On Aug 29, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Antoine Beaupré > > org> wrote: > > > > On 2016-08-25 10:13:25, Gordon Dewis wrote: > > > Alan is right. I've brought in a few tiles worth of forests from > > > Canvec in > > > the area you're talking

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On 2016-08-25 02:26 PM, Alan Richards wrote: > Generally some of the polygons can be later merged across the boundaries > into less square shapes, but it can be complicated and slow work. I don't think it helps that we have users like fx99 consolidating huge areas into large ways and massively

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Generally some of the polygons can be later merged across the boundaries into less square shapes, but it can be complicated and slow work. Personally, I'm still unclear on whether CanVec importing is still going on? Is the data still available and updated? Most of what I can find on the wiki is

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Forest footprints change over time but not that much in most places. The problem is that forest polygons can quickly end up with thousands of points and have the added complexity of holes. There is value to having them in OSM, we just have to find a better way to do them, or live with "seams"

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On 2016-08-25 04:53 AM, Adam Martin wrote: > > … The polygons will need to be either merged > or redrawn to conform with the underlying land use. Or, dare I suggest, deleted completely. If they take a huge amount of work to fix and they add little value by being based on elderly data, I question

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Yeah forests are not an easy task to handle, I've been trying to tackle this from time to time in rural areas as to no put a forest in the city, but it's a long process as you need to validate a lot of things before you can upload a small portion of land. I've tackled a few today:

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Alan is right. I've brought in a few tiles worth of forests from Canvec in the area you're talking about, but they were non-trivial to deal with compared to most other features. I kept running into limits in the tools I was using at the time and I haven't returned to them since. --Gordon

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) concerné(s) serait parfaite! On peut toujours espérer … Bonne chance Antoine Daniel From: Jean-Denis Giguere [mailto:jdenisgigu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 25 August, 2016 08:18 To: Antoine Beaupré Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada Bonjour

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Bonjour Antoine, Pour la limite des parcs, les descriptions techniques des délimitations font partie des règlements sur l’établissement des parcs nationaux [1]. Il y a là des repères susceptibles d'aider à leur cartographie. Une autre alternative consisterait à transmettre une demande au

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:05 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada hi everyone (allo tout le monde!!) one of the most frustrating experiences I have with Openstreetmap in Canada is this ugly forest display: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=8/45.227/-73.916 Just compare how

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Both of your instincts on the matter are correct - these polygons are the result of CANVEC data imports and has to do with how that data is packaged for distribution by Natural Resources. If you go to the CANVEC site, click on the map, and zoom to an address, you eventually get to the level where

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I believe these are the result of importing Canvec landuse data for some areas and not for others. Because the data is in square chunks, you end up with these unnatural looking squares on the map. Really it's just a case of the other areas don't have detail yet. Across the border it looks like

[Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada

hi everyone (allo tout le monde!!) one of the most frustrating experiences I have with Openstreetmap in Canada is this ugly forest display: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=8/45.227/-73.916 Just compare how the forests and parks are mapped between the US and Canada. On our side of the border,