Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-21 Thread Colin Smale
I agree. I suspect that the post town / dependent locality are correlated against the post code by the OCR processing. If there was no post town it would seriously degrade the scanning accuracy as the postcode OCR would need to be 100% accurate, which is not going to happen given the number of hand

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-21 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-21 17:11, Ken Kilfedder wrote: > If you search for an address on the RM website, I find that (at least in > London) it does not suggest the post town is used at all, just "London", not > "Stratford" or "West Kensington" or whatever. (I mean here- > https://www.royalmail.com/find-a-

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-21 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-21 16:07, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 12:50, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Royal Mail say that a house number must be numeric, and anything else >> (like Rose Cottage, 7A, 3-7, 11/13 etc) should go in the house name field. > > So in a row of t

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-21 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-21 13:01, Alan Mackie wrote: > I struggle with what to call the in that example. > > A recent suggestion for named terraces was to use addr:street= > and addr:parentstreet=, but if the relates the > whole building to to parentstreet, then reconstructing an address seems > impossi

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-21 Thread Colin Smale
That's why RM have a Dependent Locality, to distinguish between cases like this. If the OSM addr:* tags are to represent postal addresses (and that seems to be the consensus) then OSM should offer a place for the Dependent Locality. RM say the Post Town is a mandatory component; why do you disagree

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-21 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-21 10:27, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > Regarding properties (e.g. on named terraces or sub-streets), where > there are two street names (Thoroughfare and Dependent Throughourfare > in Rail Mail terminology) then we need a second key to store the other > street name under. Certa

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-20 Thread Colin Smale
I don't think you can *deduce* the post town from the postcode, but you can look it up, using the (non-open) PAF. You will need to use the full postcode though, as sectors can be split amongst multiple post towns. Let's not drift too far from the original topic of how to represent addresses. How

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-20 20:24, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote: > The housenumber and street would be tagged on the "building:part=house" > > Is this housrnumber belonging to the terrace or is it belonging to the > street? If it belongs to the terrace, I think even with this tagging software > wouldnt

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-20 19:44, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote: > What you do is give the outline way "buildong=terrace" and > "name=" and all the houses with "building:part=house". The > software can then tell that all those houses are part of the terrace called > So in the case like I referred to ea

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-20 18:21, ipswichmapper--- via Talk-GB wrote: > Tag the houses with addr:place maybe? IMHO a house is not a place > Or, better method is to use the alternative terrace taggong scheme where each > house is tagged as building:part=house within a larger building=terrace. > (Terracer

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-20 17:16, Chris Hill wrote: > On 20/12/2020 14:57, Colin Smale wrote: > > On 2020-12-20 15:41, Chris Hill wrote: > Addresses in OSM are not the same as Royal Mail's addresses. RM addresses are > all about their processes for delivering post to delivery points

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-20 17:09, Chris Hill wrote: > On 20/12/2020 15:30, ndrw wrote: On 20/12/2020 12:45, Dave Abbott wrote: > There is a page at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rjw62/UK_Address_Mapping which > mentions "suggested tags" but there is no evidence that this is in use. If > correc

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-20 16:30, ndrw wrote: > On 20/12/2020 12:45, Dave Abbott wrote: > >> There is a page at >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rjw62/UK_Address_Mapping which >> mentions "suggested tags" but there is no evidence that this is in use. If >> correct I would be tagging as - >> >>

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-20 15:41, Chris Hill wrote: > Addresses in OSM are not the same as Royal Mail's addresses. RM addresses are > all about their processes for delivering post to delivery points. The postal > town (Largertown in your example) is a convenience for RM that we have all > been persuaded is

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-20 14:39, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote: > It's not just administrative boundaries. If you mark points with > "place=suburb", "place=town" etc. that will also be used. > > In this case it is clearly difficult to tell which tags to use, so I would > just not use them and let nomin

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

2020-12-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-20 14:13, ipswichmapper--- via Talk-GB wrote: > Marking city, town etc is not necessary in UK because Geocoders like > nominatim can figure those out using afministrative boundaries. Postal addresses have no relation to administrative boundaries. They are simply "what you need to put

Re: [Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

2020-12-14 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-14 20:21, Edward Bainton wrote: > With plenty of portages... > > Glad I'm not going mad. Does it say anything useful or interesting that the > "GPS trace" is a few metres away from the boundary as marked on the map? > (Sorry if this has been answered recently: there was extensive di

Re: [Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

2020-12-14 Thread Colin Smale
I suspect someone has uploaded a GPX version of the boundary from OS Boundary-Line. It doesn't look like an actual trace from a GPS receiver. On 2020-12-14 18:27, Edward Bainton wrote: > Any thoughts on why when I enable "public GPS traces" in iD, I get one that > near enough exactly tracks the

[Talk-GB] Newbie damage alert in West Midlands

2020-12-09 Thread Colin Smale
A new user, TL5100, is causing a bit of damage in the Midlands, deleting loads of things for no obvious reason. A couple of their changesets have comments to this effect already. Could someone have a word? https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TL5100/history#map=11/52.0822/-2.4818___

Re: [Talk-GB] different post codes within single block of flats

2020-11-01 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-11-01 23:09, Kai Michael Poppe wrote: > Hi Colin, Hi BD, > > as I live in a country with the maximum "anomality" are different 5-digit > postcodes along a street (or sides of said street) I find different codes per > building strange to say to least. >

Re: [Talk-GB] different post codes within single block of flats

2020-11-01 Thread Colin Smale
UK postcodes are for the delivery of mail and not intended to identify buildings or parts of buildings. There will be loads of "anomalies" like this. It's not crazy, it's just not what you are used to. On 2020-11-01 22:16, BD wrote: > Hi all, > > came across this quite strange arrangement: >

Re: [Talk-GB] Turn Restrictions at roundabouts

2020-10-03 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-10-03 18:16, Tom Hughes via Talk-GB wrote: > On 03/10/2020 16:57, Philip Barnes wrote: > >> They are intended to stop this type of routing >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_car&route=52.64994%2C-1.20491%3B52.64983%2C-1.2049 >> >> Which is techincally not ille

Re: [Talk-GB] Flatholm Island Boundary Problem

2020-09-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-09-12 23:53, Russ Garrett wrote: > Yeah, I assume what happened is that the City of Bristol ended up, at > some point, as a statutory port authority (which I think they were > until 1991), and somehow the boundary from that has remained as their > local authority boundary. But it's still a

Re: [Talk-GB] Flatholm Island Boundary Problem

2020-09-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-09-12 22:23, Russ Garrett wrote: > Incidentally, the OSM wiki page for Wales claims that the sea boundary > between Wales and England is not well-defined: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wales#Boundary Then the wiki is wrong. The "Welsh Zone" was most recently defined by the: THE

Re: [Talk-GB] Flatholm Island Boundary Problem

2020-09-12 Thread Colin Smale
This anomaly gives rise to the situation that there is a triangle (more or less) of water near Flat Holm which is simultaneously within the jurisdiction of Wales and the City of Bristol. It probably only matters for things like fishing, as that was basically the reason to define clearly the mariti

Re: [Talk-GB] New Bing Imagery

2020-08-19 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-08-19 17:21, Russ Garrett wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 16:00, Colin Smale wrote: > >> At least it sounds soluble. Given the right transform and corrections a >> "definitive" OS point in Easting/Northing format can be translated >> accurately to W

Re: [Talk-GB] New Bing Imagery

2020-08-19 Thread Colin Smale
> Perhaps what we need is an equivalent of TIGER Line as a GB specific overlay > layer showing selected alignment friendly features from either OS Local or > Vector Map. If we could borrow styling from either TIGER Line or the US > Forest roads it might be feasible to make such a l

Re: [Talk-GB] New Bing Imagery

2020-08-19 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-08-19 12:17, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 19/08/2020 10:11, Stephen Colebourne wrote:And now I can see Amazon > mappers using an iD variant > that doesn't have the offset and moving all the roads as a result: > https://osmcha.org/changesets/89549551?aoi=758c7f2b-faca-44e5-acd2-0cb8c33034bd >

Re: [Talk-GB] Street-name toids

2020-08-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-08-13 12:25, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 16:56, SK53 wrote: > >> OpenRoads from the Ordnance Survey contains a field containing the toid for >> the street name. I wonder if we should include these alongside usrn & uprn. >> They may be more useful than

[Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Admin Boundaries and Combined Authorities

2020-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
I think I replied privately by mistake, so copying to the list now... On 2020-07-28 11:45, Ed Loach wrote: > Colin wrote: > >> Thanks for your message. I would like to challenge one point - your >> assertion that the Regions >> at admin_level=5 are in "widespread

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and Combined Authorities

2020-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-07-28 14:41, Dan Glover wrote: > Other observations, if I may? > > Levels 4 and 6 give UK-wide coverage and level has complete coverage of > England. The Combined Authorities are relatively sparse in their coverage (by > area - by population is a different matter) so there would be sign

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and Combined Authorities

2020-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-07-28 11:45, Ed Loach wrote: > Colin wrote: > >> Thanks for your message. I would like to challenge one point - your >> assertion that the Regions >> at admin_level=5 are in "widespread popular use". It is true that many >> people talk about

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and Combined Authorities

2020-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
K between a) administrative areas, b) postal addressing and c) people's perception of "locations"... Best regards, Colin On 2020-07-28 09:48, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > Hi, > > I'm the one who caused this discussion by editing West Yorkshire. I was > looking >

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and Combined Authorities

2020-07-27 Thread Colin Smale
tituent councils are Unitary Authorities and should therefore be at AL6 themselves for consistency with other UAs. Tagging West Yorkshire at AL6 as well would currently break the model. On 2020-07-27 08:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 7/27/20 00:50, Colin Smale wrote: > >

[Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and Combined Authorities

2020-07-26 Thread Colin Smale
Hi, I think we need to discuss tagging of Combined Authorities. I spotted an edit that changed the tagging on West Yorkshire Combined Authority, and it was pointed out to me that there were already other instances of similar tagging for Combined Authorities (Greater Manchester for example). CAs

Re: [Talk-GB] Electric vehicle charging points

2020-07-21 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-07-21 22:54, Mark Goodge wrote: > It's the errors which are more of a problem, because it's generally better > not to map something than to map it wrongly. This is a difficult point. Data is never 100% complete, and frequently not 100% accurate. At what point it becomes better not to hav

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Colin Smale
What does "legally accessible" mean? Are they Public Footpaths? Do we tag all Public Footpaths with an explicit "foot=yes" or is "designation=public_footpath" enough? On 2020-07-10 13:54, Andrew Hain wrote: > I have been doing some tidying based on Osmose, including the warning for > highway=foo

Re: [Talk-GB] "secret" site

2020-06-29 Thread Colin Smale
It was completed in 1964 as the GPO Tower. The GPO became the Post Office in 1969, at which time the tower was also renamed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Post_Office https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Tower On 2020-06-29 23:40, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 29/06/2020 08:20, Ken Kilfedder wr

Re: [Talk-GB] Rockall

2020-06-15 Thread Colin Smale
that we need to tread carefully. We did this recently with Crimea for example. OSM needs to remain strictly neutral and tends to follow the international consensus and/or the actual, verifiable status "on the ground". Colin Links: -- [1] https://www.kildarestreet.com

Re: [Talk-GB] Rockall

2020-06-15 Thread Colin Smale
I just pointed the user concerned to the signup page to this mailing list, so he should be here soon! Further to my earlier message I will not make any changes to Rockall until we have had the discussion. Colin___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreet

Re: [Talk-GB] Rockall

2020-06-15 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-06-15 15:36, Mark Goodge wrote: > I'd just revert it. I'll give them until tomorrow to see if there is any further engagement. Otherwise I will fix it up as place=islet and resurrecting the coastline and admin boundaries. Colin___ Talk-GB mail

[Talk-GB] Rockall

2020-06-15 Thread Colin Smale
A new mapper has changed the status of Rockall, removing it from the UK admin boundaries. As I understand it Rockall is accepted as UK territory although it can't be used as a baseline to extend the EEZ. I contacted the mapper with a changeset comment and their motivation is based on "fixing the EE

Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

2020-04-26 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-04-26 14:26, Tony OSM wrote: > If we generate a tag schema it clearly needs to be applicable to other grave > organisations - e.g. German War Graves Commission - _Volksbund Deutsche > Kriegsgräberfürsorge_ in German. So we need a more abstract concept like "War Cemetery": war_cemetery

Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

2020-04-26 Thread Colin Smale
) but it may also be a dedicated cemetery in its own right. On 2020-04-26 14:16, Andy Townsend wrote: > That'd work when if I know the reference, but what if I've only seen the sign? > > On 26/04/2020 13:09, Colin Smale wrote: > > ref:cwgc=* would kill two birds wit

Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

2020-04-26 Thread Colin Smale
ref:cwgc=* would kill two birds with one stone, would it not? On 2020-04-26 13:44, Andy Townsend wrote: > Hello, > > How is it suggested to tag "there are commonwealth war graves here"? > > At least near me, there's usually a fairly large white on green sign near the > entrance, so even if it

Re: [Talk-GB] Town Greens

2020-04-03 Thread Colin Smale
Considering that it is legally and functionally the same as a Village Green, I would say use the same tag i.e. landuse=village_green. It may be *called* a town green because it belongs to a settlement that is a town (who decides that is a whole other discussion) and/or has a Town Council (which is,

Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-30 Thread Colin Smale
they should answer questions that > have been asked before any more editing. > > Best Regards, > > Andy > > On 30/03/2020 18:35, Colin Smale wrote: > > He's back, and he's unimpressed... > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995 > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-30 Thread Colin Smale
He's back, and he's unimpressed... https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995 "Reverted edits as many of mine were falsely removed" On 2020-03-25 21:54, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 25/03/2020 16:02, Jez Nicholson wrote: > >> Heh, none of the references on the Wikipedia page link to anyt

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps

2020-03-26 Thread Colin Smale
Having both ref and id in the key seems a bit like overkill to me... ref:UK:leedscc:bin ? On 2020-03-26 13:13, Patrick Lake wrote: > Hi, > > The ID is only used for bins, so by the sounds of it we may as well go for > ref:UK:leedscc:bin:id so hopefully we won't have to change it in the future.

Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps

2020-03-26 Thread Colin Smale
ref:lcc=* would probably be best, or even ref:lcc:bins=*. There is an activity going on at present to get these external IDs documented to some extent, in the context of IDs that are used for correlation during data imports and subsequent maintenance. It would fit nicely in this list: https://wik

Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-03-20 19:36, Andrew Hain wrote: > Also changing the name tag for Eel Pie Island. Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed. I changed that one back, and left comments on a couple of other changes, but when I saw the rest I gave up.___ Talk-GB mai

[Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-20 Thread Colin Smale
If there is anyone who keeps a weather eye on South-West London, in particular the Twickenham area, would they like to cast their eye over the changesets of a brand-new user "tommyf5"? He has been busy today making many changes that I would class as "fiddling" and don't look right, but a local eye

Re: [Talk-GB] European Water Project - Introduction

2020-03-13 Thread Colin Smale
Daniel, that is completely uncalled for. If you can't live and let live, take your own advice and go procreate somewhere else. On 2020-03-13 12:27, Daniel Holsey wrote: > Fuck Off > > On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 at 10:31, European Water Project > wrote: > > Hello, > > My name is Stuart Rapoport.

Re: [Talk-GB] Old and current GPS tracks

2019-12-22 Thread Colin Smale
I have also wondered about this. The date the track was recorded may anonymised/obfuscated for privacy reasons. We always have the date of upload, which is better than nothing I suppose. On 2019-12-22 12:03, BD wrote: > Hi, > couple of days ago I had a chance to drive on the new section of A14 (

Re: [Talk-GB] Neighbourhood/LSOA Names

2019-11-15 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-11-15 22:26, Mark Goodge wrote: > On 15/11/2019 18:38, Owen Boswarva wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> >> Do you mean this? https://visual.parliament.uk/msoanames >> >> Recently completed, but the House of Commons Library did request suggested >> names back in January when it was in draft. >

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Mill Races / Leats / Lades

2019-11-14 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-11-14 13:22, Martin Wynne wrote: > "Canal" should surely be restricted to transport functions? Boating apps > presumably treat "canal" as a route unless navigation restrictions are added. Canal indicates a form of construction - man-made. Unlike natural watercourses they were constructed

Re: [Talk-GB] Parish Councils needs

2019-10-26 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-10-26 09:58, Edward Bainton wrote: > (copying the list in again) > Thank you. My understanding is that this parish council has had *all* street > assets devolved to it: see here [1]. Where do you read that in the attached document? W.r.t. the public highway as an asset, paragraph 8 basi

Re: [Talk-GB] Reference numbers for UK admin areas?

2019-10-23 Thread Colin Smale
The London Borough of Sutton has admin_level=8. Admin_level=10 is for civil (not ecclesiastical) parishes, or community councils in Wales and Scotland. The GSS code refers to the geometry of the area; if the boundary is modified (by law) a new code is assigned. On 23 October 2019 16:49:07 CEST

Re: [Talk-GB] Georeferencing / zeroing imagery

2019-09-14 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-09-14 17:14, SK53 wrote: > Hi Edward, > > In general the GPS rule is still the best way of doing it, we used to have > access to Strava heatmap which was very good, but no longer. > > Other viable alternatives are: > > * OS OpenData road centrelines. Of course if you use a crude OS

Re: [Talk-GB] Boundary_line at the coast

2019-09-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-09-08 00:09, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2019-09-07 23:06, Edward Bainton wrote: > > 3. Also, there are two walls visible on aerial imagery that all but match the > doglegged county boundary as it crosses the isthmus. Is it safe to assume > that these mark the actual boun

Re: [Talk-GB] Boundary_line at the coast

2019-09-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-09-07 23:06, Edward Bainton wrote: > I'm interested in boundaries marked at Mavis Grind [1] (thanks to SK53 for > the waterway=portage [2] tag - Mavis Grind is an old Norse portage, still in > use by Shetland Canoe Club). > > 1. Does anyone know if county boundary lines at the coast ar

Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

2019-09-03 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-09-02 16:40, Mark Goodge wrote: > One of the issues with relying on sat-nav is that the device data often isn't > updated very often. Unless the government can impose some kind of legally > binding SLA on the device manufacturers to ensure that all data updates are > performed within a

Re: [Talk-GB] OSNI Open Data

2019-08-21 Thread Colin Smale
That sounds like great news, Owen. Thanks for your help! Colin On 2019-08-21 15:10, Owen Boswarva wrote: > OSNI have said in a Twitter discussion today that they will remove the link > to the LPS licence, to make it clear that normal OGL terms apply to this > data: > > http

Re: [Talk-GB] OSNI Open Data

2019-08-20 Thread Colin Smale
Thanks Jerry, I had forgotten that NI comes under Ireland ;-) I will have a browse through the talk-ie archives and see if I can pick it up there. Colin On 2019-08-20 22:15, SK53 wrote: > This query would actually be better directed at talk-ie as the Irish OSM > local chapter hav

[Talk-GB] OSNI Open Data

2019-08-20 Thread Colin Smale
Has anyone investigated if the data covering Northern Ireland which OSNI make available under OGL V3, is licence-compatible with OSM in the same way as the OSGB open data? I am particularly interested in admin boundaries, e.g. http://osni-spatial-ni.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/a55726475f1b460c927d

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-26 15:47, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 26/07/2019 13:28, David Woolley wrote: On 26/07/2019 12:57, Stephen > Colebourne wrote: unless there is an explicit "private" sign > There is no legal need for "private" signs. The default assumption should be > that everything is private ... in

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Colin Smale
I guess what we are trying to get out of this, is: a) as a router, can i feel free to route "Joe Public" through here? b) as a router, how much time penalty should i factor in for passing this gate? Anything else? On 2019-07-26 12:58, Warin wrote: > To bring a little international perspecti

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-26 12:26, Gareth L wrote: > This was discussed on the wiki > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate [1] with the > suggestion of using a status tag. And was also discussed (9 years ago?!) > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html [2

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-14 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-14 08:49, Mark Goodge wrote: > On 14/07/2019 00:39, David Woolley wrote: On 13/07/2019 22:21, Colin Smale > wrote: So what was your point again about internal waterways? The "extent of > the realm" is not the 12-mile limit, it is ±MLW, isn't it? > Assu

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-13 23:07, David Woolley wrote: > On 13/07/2019 21:38, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Have you got a reference for this, making the link between the boundary of >> the Realm and the MCA classification of an inland waterway? >> What could be a consequence of this? C

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-13 22:42, Tony Shield wrote: > Hi > > I meant that OSM does not have an agreed way of tagging MLWS or MLW. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcoastline That page is about coastline, which is high water, not low water. But you are probably right. In the case of the

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-13 22:30, Devonshire wrote: > Unfortunately, this is one of those fairly pointless discussions that > characterises OSM. I know it isn't always possible but I prefer the meaning > of words in OSM tags to have the same meaning as in everyday conversation. If > you want to add a way on

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-13 22:00, David Woolley wrote: > On 13/07/2019 20:53, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Another reason to want MLW in OSM: The "Extent of the Realm" is *for the >> most part* defined as MLWS. This is the limit of the jurisdiction of normal >> (local)

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-13 21:33, Tony Shield wrote: > Hi > > Personally think that High Water Mark and Low Water Mark are very relevant to > people and to OSM. > > Yeah - tides are a nuisance and can never be predicted with total accuracy > and with Global Warming HWM and LWM will change over time. Then

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-13 13:35, Borbus wrote: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 9:11 PM Devonshire wrote: >> Just because the coastline follows MLW as it goes around the coast >> doesn't mean it needs to follow every tidal waterway inland. That >> doesn't follow at all. > > Why not? What is the meaning of "coastli

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-11 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-11 22:45, Borbus wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:19 PM Colin Smale wrote: >> * Coastal admin boundaries (the "Extent of the Realm") are usually MLWS, >> but there are such things as "seaward extensions" which extend the >> "realm&

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-11 Thread Colin Smale
Good point. Do you know of one? Let's have a look at how the OS deal with it. On 2019-07-11 22:52, Edward Catmur wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:19 PM Colin Smale wrote: > >> * Where the coastline is essentially vertical (harbour walls, steep cliffs) >> MHWS and

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-11 Thread Colin Smale
every few years). I would recommend adding the date of the OS data to the OSM coastline, to aid future updates. Cheers, Colin On 2019-07-11 21:38, Borbus wrote: > Hi, > > I've recently done an import of coastline data from OS VectorMap into OSM > around The Wash. I did thi

Re: [Talk-GB] Newish user causing damage-...

2019-06-23 Thread Colin Smale
Thanks Phil. On 2019-06-23 18:59, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Sun, 2019-06-23 at 16:50 +0100, Andy Townsend wrote: > >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2922 >> >> (apologies for terseness - sending from pub beer garden) > > Thank you Andy. > > I have reverted this, I had already r

Re: [Talk-GB] Newish user causing damage-...

2019-06-23 Thread Colin Smale
Thanks, and cheers! On 2019-06-23 17:50, Andy Townsend wrote: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2922 > > (apologies for terseness - sending from pub beer garden) > > FROM: colin.sm...@xs4all.nl > SENT: 23 June 2019 16:21 > TO: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > SUBJECT: [Talk-GB] Newish

[Talk-GB] Newish user causing damage-...

2019-06-23 Thread Colin Smale
User JS0102 has 17 changesets to their name, and many of them have critical comments against them. The earlier 16 changesets were reverted, but this afternoon it was the turn of Gloucestershire to get cleaned out, and half the River Wye has been turned into a culvert. Can someone block this user

Re: [Talk-GB] road relations

2019-06-01 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-06-01 13:32, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > You're talking about a different subject, which 'associatedstreets' won't > resolve. Are you sure? Maybe you would restate concisely the problem as you see it. The relation linked to in Jez' original post was type=associatedStreet and he actually

Re: [Talk-GB] road relations

2019-06-01 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-06-01 12:34, Gareth L wrote: > I was about to say, relations of this manner seem duplicitous of simply > having an address. Using only the street name to link objects is unreliable. A street can be divided into multiple segments. Think of a residential side-road with the same name as th

Re: [Talk-GB] road relations

2019-06-01 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-06-01 12:29, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > Hi > > I've yet to hear a valid reasoning for this relation type. It's much more > beneficial to add addresses instead. > > There appears an increasing tendency to collect almost anything together into > a relation. See public-transport's 'stop_

Re: [Talk-GB] Checking UK Towns

2019-01-30 Thread Colin Smale
he governments GSS coding system (codes start with E43). Maybe we should follow their level of (dis)aggregation w.r.t. multiple contiguous parishes? Do they possibly qualify as statistical areas? Colin On 2019-01-30 18:01, Will Phillips wrote: > I've already raised concerns I have in a ch

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Colin Smale
wn is also assigned by RM (see page 50): https://www.geoplace.co.uk/helpdesk/library/-/asset_publisher/3pCkRTd6bAi9/document/id/335107 On 2019-01-28 23:18, Chris Hill wrote: > On 28/01/2019 21:56, Colin Smale wrote: > > On 2019-01-28 22:22, Chris Hill wrote: > Post town do not exist, an

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-01-28 22:22, Chris Hill wrote: > Post town do not exist, and never have. They are a fiction invented by Royal > Mail for their own internal use which they persuaded the public into using > for the sole benefit of Royal Mail. ...and for the benefit of anyone posting a letter and expectin

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-01-28 18:32, Andrzej wrote: > Hi Will, > > These are very good examples, I wasn't aware of such places. They would > indeed best fit addr:locality. How about using addr:locality together with > addr:town/suburb/village/hamlet then? Having multiple well defined tags is > good - they add

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Colin Smale
Hi Will, On 2019-01-28 13:19, Will Phillips wrote: > Hi, > > I agree we need another tag below addr:city for localities. For this I have > usually used addr:suburb when mapping in urban areas and addr:locality > elsewhere. Ideally I think it would be best to have just one recommended tag, >

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-27 Thread Colin Smale
on the CSP. It wouldn't surprise me if subbuildings were used for "Unit 1", "Building A" etc. That doesn't sound/feel at all unreasonable. On 2019-01-27 23:27, Andrzej wrote: > Hi Colin, > > This is broadly in line with Robert's proposals. However, it rais

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-27 Thread Colin Smale
addr:postcode PO Box PO Box 6 n/a On 2019-01-27 23:17, David Woolley wrote: > On 27/01/2019 21:21, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Organisation Organisation Name 60 n/a >> Department Nam

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-27 Thread Colin Smale
Assuming the post code is seen in OSM as a way of addressing post (as opposed to a geographic subdivision or an indication of location) then I suggest following Royal Mail's address structure, which can be seen in the description of the Postcode Address File on Wikipedia [1]. If we cannot map a ful

Re: [Talk-GB] OS Boundary-Line - Manchester political wards and related boundaries, dealing with inconsistent data

2018-12-12 Thread Colin Smale
ke roads or rivers, in order to get consistent coverage. Regards, Colin On 2018-12-12 19:10, Rick Bowlby wrote: > Hello, I quite recently imported Ordnance Survey Boundary-Line data (October > 2018, OGL v3) for recently changed electoral wards in Manchester (changeset > 65101926 [

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

2018-11-17 Thread Colin Smale
Surely the infrastructure network is a different concept to the train network? How about this for a thought: For the trains, a network might be linked to a brand; An operator may have distinct branding for commuter services, intercity services and freight operations giving three different "netw

Re: [Talk-GB] Coastline confusion

2018-11-03 Thread Colin Smale
as an island. Zoom out and the foreshore is flooded, including this island. Colin On 2018-11-03 16:18, Sean Blanchflower wrote: > Hi all, > I've been contacted by an OSM user confused about what to do on the coast of > The Wash. > > Basically the two ways: &g

Re: [Talk-GB] Access restrictions for lorries above a certain GVM

2018-09-26 Thread Colin Smale
The term "HGV" is not actually legally defined in the UK. Goods vehicles start from 3.5T MAM. There is a special driving licence group D1 which allows you to drive up to 7.5T, but the difference is in the licence, not the vehicle. The sign with an image of a lorry is used for a so-called "environ

Re: [Talk-GB] Access restrictions for lorries above a certain GVM

2018-09-26 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-09-26 13:48, David Woolley wrote: > In that specific case (7.5T), which is the most common, it would be hgv=no, > as that is the defining maximum authorised mass for an HGV. I'd consider > maxweight, for higher limits. Is a bus/coach considered to be a goods vehicle for these purposes?

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-09-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-09-20 14:12, Dave F wrote: > See the OSM Welcome page. Quoting the law does not make a person guilty. If it were that simple these boundaries would have been removed long ago. Are you offering to delete these boundaries then? As far as I can see there is no "decision" in this case yet

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-09-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-09-20 13:22, Dave F wrote: > As I noted previously, many discussions have been had & a decision made. The discussion is clearly ongoing Could you point me to the "decision" please?___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://li

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-09-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-09-20 10:25, Martin Wynne wrote: > But I can't verify that fact. Should I not map it at all? What is verifiable > on the ground is the fact that the stream does not stop dead at one location > and restart at another. How can you verify it's the same stream? Taking your own flourescein o

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