>On what basis is 'highway_authority_ref' being put forward since I don't
think the councils who allocate the references for C and U roads are
actually the 'highway_authority'
Hi Lester,
I expect the basis is the Highways Act 1980 which defines them as "Local
Highways Authorities". I'm not sure
On 16/08/2018 16:00, David Woolley wrote:
I thought that we were heading towards indicating whether the
reference was signed, but keeping the reference.
The reference is kept. It's being transferred from multiple different
keys (listed in my OP) to just one. One of the thing on my to-do
On 16/08/18 14:45, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote:
How can this issue be resolved without alienating and driving away long time
contributors to OSM?
I thought that we were heading towards indicating whether the reference
was signed, but keeping the reference. I'd go further and say that,
Isn't there a code of conduct for automated edits which calls for
documentation and discussion before the edits are performed? Precisely to
avoid this kind of situation. Rgds Brian
On 16 August 2018 at 14:45, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk <
webmas...@killyfole.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am a bit
On 16/08/2018 14:45, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote:
Hi,
I am a bit surprised that an editing war or even a block would even be
considered in this case!
Err?... I clearly said that what I *don't* want.
DaveF
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Hi,
I am a bit surprised that an editing war or even a block would even be
considered in this case!
This user has been editing from 2009 and has 11k edits under their belt. They
are obviously very passionate and dedicated to OSM and have gone to a lot of
trouble and spent a lot of time to
On 16/08/18 14:24, Dave F wrote:
A contributor has been reverting my changesets over the past few days:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tms13/history#map=7/56.741/-4.252
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61655207
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61623830#map=11/56.4828/-3.2425
Hi
A contributor has been reverting my changesets over the past few days:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tms13/history#map=7/56.741/-4.252
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61655207
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61623830#map=11/56.4828/-3.2425
As I don't wish to get into an
On 08/08/18 11:49, David Woolley wrote:
I think people are overlooking the original use case for suppressing C
references, which was that they confused satellite navigator users. As I
pointed out before, this is really an attribute of the particular turn
onto the road, not the road itself.
On 08/08/18 10:34, Dave F wrote:
On 08/08/2018 08:30, Andy Townsend wrote:
The tags "highway_authority_ref" "admin_ref" and "official_ref" are
assumed to be unsigned.
One of the items on my 'things to do' list was to search for &
amalgamate any 'this road is signed' tags.
The last
I think people are overlooking the original use case for suppressing C
references, which was that they confused satellite navigator users. As I
pointed out before, this is really an attribute of the particular turn
onto the road, not the road itself. The fact that a road (A, B, or C)
may have
On 08/08/18 08:30, Andy Townsend wrote:
There are combinations that aren't handled perfectly (especially where
roads have a mixture of different refs) and I'll look at some of these
edge cases later. Hopefully though as things stand it's useful to
people who really want to see these
For completeness, I have updated https://map.atownsend.org.uk to show
unsigned road names in brackets and unsigned refs in brackets at the end
of the name. The tags "highway_authority_ref" "admin_ref" and
"official_ref" are assumed to be unsigned.
Examples:
There is at least one C road that is signed on the ground because I
remember being surprised at seeing it. It's somewhere in
Cumbria/Yorkshire but I mapped it so long ago I can't remember where
the hell it is
Hi Brian,
There are dozens of them. See this page for photos:
On Sun, 2018-08-05 at 16:21 +0100, Brian Prangle wrote:
> There is at least one C road that is signed on the ground because I
> remember being surprised at seeing it. It's somewhere in
> Cumbria/Yorkshire but I mapped it so long ago I can't remember where
> the hell it is
>
Although it could
There is at least one C road that is signed on the ground because I
remember being surprised at seeing it. It's somewhere in Cumbria/Yorkshire
but I mapped it so long ago I can't remember where the hell it is
Regards
Brian
On 5 August 2018 at 12:34, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Killyfole and
Killyfole and District Development Association wrote:
> So I hear a urgent traffic update on the radio that there was a forest
> fire
> on the C425 Eshnadarragh Road and that the Fire Service have closed
> the road due to the pumping equipment needed to fight the fire.
Dave originally wrote
Some people take the position that you cannot add a name ... unless you can
actually see that name clearly being used as the name of the object if you
actually visit the place.
You can of course take matters into your own hands with a felt-tip pen.
A C-number, once marked in very small text
On 04/08/18 17:58, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote:
What do you define as on the ground? The road is there, it has a
classification and name set by the local authority. Hence setting the ref=
and name= tags.
Some people take the position that you cannot add a name, foreign
language name, or
On Saturday, 4 August 2018 10:56:19 IST Dave F wrote:
> > In my particular area I have people "helicopting in" to remove the C and U
> > numbers off the roads, just because they don't like the way it renders!
> > But the fact is that none of the rural roads have signs giving the name,
> > so just
On Saturday, 4 August 2018 14:48:56 IST Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Killyfole and District Development Association wrote:
> > Surely we map for what is there on the ground, not how it renders?
>
> Right. C road numbers are not on the ground. (With the exception of the 20
> or so listed here:
Dave F wrote:
> However this task was never undertaken. I decided to grab the bull by the
> horns.
Bravo!
Killyfole and District Development Association wrote:
> Surely we map for what is there on the ground, not how it renders?
Right. C road numbers are not on the ground. (With the
On 04/08/18 20:06, Andy Townsend wrote:
"Public right of way references, along with stiles and kissing gates, are for
example rendered on Andy Townsend's specialist walking map."
That already has an idea about "unsigned names and refs" and at some point I'll
add various unsigned road refs in
"Public right of way references, along with stiles and kissing gates, are for
example rendered on Andy Townsend's specialist walking map."
That already has an idea about "unsigned names and refs" and at some point I'll
add various unsigned road refs in brackets like PROW refs and other
Hi
On 04/08/2018 03:03, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote:
I don't understand the logic of doing this?
Surely we map for what is there on the ground, not how it renders?
The vast majority of 'C roads aren't signed on the ground. There's a
feeling that those that are maybe old signs & when
On 04/08/2018 09:55, David Woolley wrote:
On 04/08/18 00:47, Dave F wrote:
After many discussions over the years about the referencing of 'C'
class roads there appeared to be a general consensus to keep them in
the database but provide a unique tag to allow them not to be rendered.
I
On 04/08/18 10:31, Lester Caine wrote:
'display_ref=no' would be appropriate in some areas of the world
As I hinted in a previous response, this is an attribute of the
junction, not the road. Moreover, it is probably a directed attribute,
so actually relates to a turn relation.
Also,
On 04/08/18 10:07, Philip Barnes wrote:
It seems to me that, in the UK, class C roads should be exactly the
set of roads with highway=tertiary, so there is no need for a new
tag. Even if that is not true, the correct solution would be to test
the reference in the renderer and suppress it if
On 04/08/18 10:07, Philip Barnes wrote:
the standatrd renderer is International
There should not be a standard renderer. That would definitely
encourage tagging for the (that) renderer. The map needs to describe
what is actually there. It has always been up to individual renderers
to
On 04/08/18 10:02, David Woolley wrote:
On 04/08/18 07:01, Philip Barnes wrote:
The renderer cannot know not to render refs on C roads in the UK,
remember osm is an international database.
Telling a driver to turn left onto the C666 is confusing if there is
no sign to back up that
Are you offering to create a map with this level of special cases for every
country in the world? I’d love to see the result.
--
Andrew
From: David Woolley
Sent: 04 August 2018 09:55
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references
On 04/08/2018 09:55, David Woolley wrote:
On 04/08/18 00:47, Dave F wrote:
After many discussions over the years about the referencing of 'C'
class roads there appeared to be a general consensus to keep them in
the database but provide a unique tag to allow them not to be rendered.
I
On 04/08/18 07:01, Philip Barnes wrote:
If you want to produce a render to display these admin references then you are
welcome to do so.
We ideally need a proper UK rendering of data and this is another area
where information IDEALLY needs to be selectable. Trying to make a
single world
On 04/08/18 07:01, Philip Barnes wrote:
The renderer cannot know not to render refs on C roads in the UK, remember osm
is an international database.
Telling a driver to turn left onto the C666 is confusing if there is no sign to
back up that instruction.
Routing type renderers need to know
On 04/08/18 00:47, Dave F wrote:
After many discussions over the years about the referencing of 'C' class
roads there appeared to be a general consensus to keep them in the
database but provide a unique tag to allow them not to be rendered.
I assume you mean the reference is not rendered
On 4 August 2018 04:03:13 CEST, "webmas...@killyfole.org.uk"
wrote:
>I don't understand the logic of doing this?
>
>Surely we map for what is there on the ground, not how it renders? If
>a road
>has a reference number or a name, surely it is up to the render if it
>should
>show that
I don't understand the logic of doing this?
Surely we map for what is there on the ground, not how it renders? If a road
has a reference number or a name, surely it is up to the render if it should
show that information or not, not how we tag it in the database?
In my particular area I have
Hi
After many discussions over the years about the referencing of 'C' class
roads there appeared to be a general consensus to keep them in the
database but provide a unique tag to allow them not to be rendered.
This is a list of the discussions (there maybe others):
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