Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-24 Thread Andy Robinson
Or the Archbishop of Canterbury, or Fake SteveC, depending on your particular affiliation. There was a rumour, though only a rumour ;-) Cheers Andy -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OS-OpenData-and-accepting-the-new-contributo r-terms-tp6483857p6503476.html

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-22 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 20 June 2011 16:44, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: On 6/19/2011 1:16 AM, Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: I still take the view that *as the CTs are written* clause 2 would apply to all contributions, which makes me uncomfortable signing them. However, since the CTs represent a

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: I'd appreciated it if you could check with the other OSMF board members, so you then can make an official statement about Michael's post. I'm sure you're doing this for the right reasons, but there's something faintly amusing about the appeals to an

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-22 Thread Richard Mann
I think it'll probably require divine revelation ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-22 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 22 June 2011 09:55, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: I'd appreciated it if you could check with the other OSMF board members, so you then can make an official statement about Michael's post. I'm sure you're doing this for the right reasons, but

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker wrote: That's my position and you can take it or leave it. I really don't see how flaming me in this list is helpful to the community. Blimey. It was meant as a good-natured jokey e-mail, a gentle dig at best. But if it helps, the Archbishop of Canterbury's house in Charlbury

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-22 Thread Kai Krueger
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: I'd appreciated it if you could check with the other OSMF board members, so you then can make an official statement about Michael's post. I'm sure you're doing this for the right reasons, but there's something faintly amusing about

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-20 Thread Steve Coast
On 6/19/2011 1:16 AM, Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: I still take the view that *as the CTs are written* clause 2 would apply to all contributions, which makes me uncomfortable signing them. However, since the CTs represent a contract between myself and OSMF, if it can be confirmed (eg by a

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-20 Thread Ed Avis
Steve Coast steve@... writes: I can't make a statement for the OSMF without going to the board, but that's my understanding, Mike is correct. Would this not resolve the Nearmap question? As I understand it they did not want to write a blank cheque allowing use under an unspecified licence.

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-19 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 18 June 2011 15:01, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: In other words, for the LWG,  if data is compatible with *current* license terms, then there is no problem contributing it and accepting the contributor terms. Many thanks for this. If that's how the Contributor Terms are to be

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-18 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 17 June 2011 18:04, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Andy Allan also provided a good argued answer to a similar question to yours on http://help.openstreetmap.org [2] in case you haven't seen it. I hadn't seen it, so thanks. But there's also a response below it explaining why Ed's reasoning

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-18 Thread Michael Collinson
On 17/06/2011 14:50, Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: On 16 June 2011 17:50, Michael Collinsonm...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Here is as much information as I can give. It is not conclusive so I would summarise by saying that I *personally* (great emphasis!) have some contributions derived from OS

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-18 Thread Ed Avis
Michael Collinson mike@... writes: In other words, for the LWG, if data is compatible with *current* license terms, then there is no problem contributing it and accepting the contributor terms. This is a nice explanation. Could it be added as a clarifying paragraph to the contributor terms

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-17 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 16 June 2011 17:50, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Here is as much information as I can give. It is not conclusive so I would summarise by saying that I *personally* (great emphasis!) have some contributions derived from OS StreetView data and have accepted the new terms without

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-17 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 13:50 +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: If I've understood things correctly, the CTs (in particular Clause 2) go further than ODbL compatibility, and require you to have additional rights to grant to OSMF on your contributions. My reading of clause 2 is that it

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-17 Thread Richard Mann
If OSMF were to claim that the CTs prove that all its data is relicensable to anything that's free and open then they're daft. In practice it's relicensable to something that's a bit narrower than that, and which would almost certainly comply with the spirit of the OS license, if not the

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-17 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 17 June 2011 14:11, Henry Gomersall h...@cantab.net wrote: Well, since the contributor terms are an agreement made as a contributor, one is not necessarily making any statement about the compatibility of OS open data I'm sorry, but if you've used OS OpenData in previous contributions,

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-17 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 17 June 2011 14:19, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: If OSMF were to claim that the CTs prove that all its data is relicensable to anything that's free and open then they're daft. In practice it's relicensable to something that's a bit narrower than that, and which

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-17 Thread Ed Loach
Robert wrote: My reading of clause 2 is that it requires your contributions to be able to be distributed under any free and open license. Some have disputed this view, claiming that the intent of the CTs is only that you must warrant that your data is compatible with the current licenses.

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Coast
You keep mentioning the OSMF when I think you really mean the LWG. On 6/17/2011 9:44 AM, Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: On 17 June 2011 14:19, Richard Mannrichard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: If OSMF were to claim that the CTs prove that all its data is relicensable to anything that's free

[Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-16 Thread Michael Collinson
Here is as much information as I can give. It is not conclusive so I would summarise by saying that I *personally* (great emphasis!) have some contributions derived from OS StreetView data and have accepted the new terms without qualms. I explain my reasons below and what I intend to do. I

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-16 Thread David Groom
Michael Thank you for such a full explanation - Original Message - From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz To: talk-gb talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 5:50 PM Subject: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms [snipped] regretfully