Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

On 01/12/2020 09:32, Ken Kilfedder wrote: 1. Is there an overpass syntax that would let me download (to JOSM) - all ways with addr:housenumber added or changed via a changeset with a certain source tag? (and not updated by something else later) 2. Could I then wipe all such addr:housenumbers

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 at 10:53, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > Looking at https://maps.nls.uk/copyright.html#exceptions am I right in > thinking that the non-commercial contract restriction also applies to > some other NLS layers (e.g. OS 1:25k and 7th series scans) which have > been

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 at 09:53, Ken Kilfedder wrote: > IpswichMapper forwarded me this note, apparently received from NLS via an > enquiry made by Rob-from-OSMF: > > > “I wish I could give you better news on the 1940s OS maps of south-east > > England. > > Unfortunately, you’re right, they were

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

On 01/12/2020 10:11, Tom Hughes via Talk-GB wrote: Of course it's only claiming they do have a copyright that they can make such a license necessary. Not necessarily. If you can establish a contract at every stage in the chain, you may be able to impose restrictions that go beyond copyright.

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

So that can't possibly be when the copyright expires, rather it's a question of contractual provisions in a license agreement between them and NLS not copyright as such. Of course it's only claiming they do have a copyright that they can make such a license necessary. Tom On 01/12/2020 09:49,

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

As a side note to the legal aspect, the house numbers can be horribly inaccurate. I compared Oxted to a ground survey, and the old map simply numbered the houses consecutively, which isn't reality on the ground. One possible explanation is that brand new estates (1940s) were done this way, as the

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

Hi Tom, IpswichMapper forwarded me this note, apparently received from NLS via an enquiry made by Rob-from-OSMF: > “I wish I could give you better news on the 1940s OS maps of south-east > England. > Unfortunately, you’re right, they were scanned by a third-party commercial > company > who

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

If we assume that a new copyright is created by the scanning (which is a complicated question) then there is no way it expires next year. What exactly do you think the term is for this copyright and when do you think it starts from? I don't think it's relevant anyway as I thought NLS had given

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

SO, It turns out - we cannot use these images until the scanner's copyright expires at the end of next year. Happily, it seems like there will be GB-wide coverage available at that point, not just the London-Southend-Brighton area. However, I have been happily using these images for a bit

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

Hi Mark, If there is absolute confidence in that, can it be added to the wiki page here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland And can it be added to the default set of old maps in JOSM? If it is available for use, not point in keeping it a secret. ---

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

Oh yes, private streets are always a problem. In fact, I feel uncomfortable even walking down  dead end roads to survey, and so I avoid them. Usually I just record the first number, then guess the rest of the numbers on dead end streets. NLS definately would be better. That being said, who

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

Having surveyed thousands of addresses in SW London, I've done a quick compare and it looks pretty good to me. Sure there are the odd case here and there where buildings have changed, but for the many parts of London with Victorian to 1930s housing stock, this will be mostly accurate. Just

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

How do you reply to an email that wasn't sent to your inbox and still keep the thread structure? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

On 30/10/2020 20:10, ipswichmapper--- via Talk-GB wrote: Also, the messages by "Mark Goodge" and "Ken Kilfedder" (spiregrain) didn't show up in my email. Why is this? (Is it because their "reply all" didn't include my address by mistake?) I'm still getting used to mailing lists. I didn't

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

Ok, it seems like this one didn't show up under the right thread. I moved the talk-gb@openstreetmap.org to the CC section and emailed m...@good-stuff.co.uk directly, but it didn't show up under that thread. The way I originally did it is by clicking on the email in the archive, which loads a

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

This is why I think that a tasking manager is good. Firstly, it is not exactly "wholesale" in the sense that a lot of data with little checking. Every square is mapped and then validated as well. Secondly, this is why it is imperative to check if the buildings still exist on Bing. If they do,

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

I have already posted this on reddit, and people brought up this issue there too: https://old.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/jk8gdr/high_quality_imagery_of_buildings_and/gahyzi Also,

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

Sorry, I think my last message didn't get through because I didn't "reply all". (So it didn't show up in the archives). I'm still getting using to this "mailing lists" system. Here is the NLS map: https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=6=55.25673=-5.29584=170=1 -- Sent with Tutanota, the

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

I've made extensive use of these tiles for numbering tasks in London E15 and E7. But you are right that more up to date material is needed. Bing gives me the more modern building outlines, and I then do some spot checks of the NLS-sourced housenumbers when I survey the newer buildings. But

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

On 30/10/2020 18:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: Oct 30, 2020, 16:28 by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org: It has come to my attention that the "Town Plan" map from 1944-1967 in NLS is available freely. What are its licensing terms? "available freely" does not mean "compatible

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 18:38, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: > What are its licensing terms? > > "available freely" does not mean "compatible with OSM license" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland NLS maps (except for the ones where the copyright of the scans

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

Oct 30, 2020, 16:28 by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org: > It has come to my attention that the "Town Plan" map from 1944-1967 in NLS is > available freely. > What are its licensing terms? "available freely" does not mean "compatible with OSM license"

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 15:49, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > Link to this on NLS? I think it's the "OS 1:1,250/1:2500 1944-1969" layer: https://maps.nls.uk/os/national-grid/ -- Russ Garrett r...@garrett.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

On 30/10/2020 15:28, ipswichmapper--- via Talk-GB wrote: Hello, It has come to my attention that the "Town Plan" map from 1944-1967 in NLS is available freely. Link to this on NLS? DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

Hello, As anyone mapping in the UK knows, in most areas housenumber coverage is abysmal. For example, germany has 14 million housenumbers, USA has 10 million and the UK has about 1.6 million as of 2018.[1] Therefore, an open data source of housenumbers would make it significantly easier to