Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter

2011-07-06 Per discussione maning sambale
A typical address should something like this: addr:housenumber=1 addr:street=Rizal addr:city=Makati #osmit 121.43167, 14.53816 80 characters in all. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Noli Sicad nsi...@gmail.com wrote: Maning, this really good to get Street Address (i.e. House No. Street Name and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Andreas Perstinger
Sorry for replying late but I had to leave for the night shift yesterday. On 2011-07-05 15:28, John Smith wrote: On 5 July 2011 23:04, Andreas Perstingerandreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: What do you consider as same result? How far away do I have to place a node? If I put one additional

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Verzonden: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:17 PM Aan: Licensing and other legal discussions. Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes On 6 July 2011 02:49, ce-test, qualified testing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Dave F.
On 02/07/2011 17:15, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, suppose there's a node that has been created by user A with no tags on it. Suppose the node has later been moved by user B. A has not accepted the CT, while B has. Will the node have to be removed when we go to phase 5 of the license change?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dave F. wrote: I must be missing something, because I believe this discussion is a complete waste of time. It is good that you have the modesty to assume that you're missing something rather than 10 others are completely wasting their time ;) in this case you are indeed missing (or I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-07-06 Per discussione Kai Krueger
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: On 16 June 2011 09:55, Richard Fairhurst lt;rich...@systemed.netgt; wrote: Robert Whittaker wrote: A major purpose of the CTs is to ensure that all the data remaining in OSM is suitable for re-licensing under any Free and Open license without the need for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 July 2011 04:03, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: Although it still seems to be controversial how clause 1 and 2 of the CT interact, with the recent draft intent of the LWG to issue a clarifying statement[1] that indeed data only has to be compatible with the current license and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 6 July 2011 16:46, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: Then what about the attached alternative versions? For each version I started JOSM, opened a new layer, added the node (-31.069902030361792, 152.728383561) which is close to the beginning of the road, loaded the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 July 2011 04:20, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 July 2011 16:46, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: Then what about the attached alternative versions? For each version I started JOSM, opened a new layer, added the node (-31.069902030361792,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Dave F.
On 06/07/2011 18:29, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Dave F. wrote: I must be missing something, because I believe this discussion is a complete waste of time. It is good that you have the modesty to assume that you're missing something rather than 10 others are completely wasting their time ;)

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-07-06 20:23, John Smith wrote: On 7 July 2011 04:20, John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 July 2011 16:46, Andreas Perstingerandreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: Then what about the attached alternative versions? For each version I started JOSM, opened a new layer, added

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 July 2011 06:12, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: But even if I'm just one person the question still remains: Do you consider any of these 4 versions a violation of your copyright? Are you planning to try and replace all my work one way at a time like this? Which is of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-07-06 22:17, John Smith wrote: Are you planning to try and replace all my work one way at a time like this? No, I just wanted to show you that you can't really tell if someone retraces a removed way by looking at an aerial imagery, by looking at the current OSM map or by just moving

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 July 2011 07:25, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: No, I just wanted to show you that you can't really tell if someone retraces a removed way by looking at an aerial imagery, by looking at the current OSM map or by just moving randomly some nodes.The same goes for IMHO

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 July 2011 08:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Google in addition have their ToS. So one person copies tiles and breaches contract and gives them to another person who is only bound by copyright ... ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Dave F.
On 06/07/2011 21:04, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: Dave F. wrote: If one of these gets moved then the whole way gets updated, No. Substantively, that is what happens, but technically, in the database, it is not. In the database, we

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Simon Poole
Am 06.07.2011 20:31, schrieb John Smith: On 6 July 2011 18:20, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: [GG] I was not talking about copyright. Copyright laws are of no use in the digital era, You were talking about databases, however databases can still store

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 July 2011 09:34, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: That does not imply that individual contributors actually hold any rights in the data they contributed. As we know, that is a difficult question and depends on jurisdiction and so on, and my take on it would be: probably not. For all

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Simon Poole
Am 06.07.2011 23:25, schrieb Andreas Perstinger: BTW I've just found some high court decisions which clearly state that a map (and its content) isn't protected by copyright automatically here in Austria. You have to prove individual creativity. Just reproducing geographical facts like

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 July 2011 09:47, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Normally none of them lead to a protected work and nobody would confuse it for creativity I'm not sure if I'm more amused that you have to try and scale things down to the size of a brick or the fact that even you state it's the morally

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Simon Poole
Am 07.07.2011 01:40, schrieb John Smith: On 7 July 2011 09:34, Simon Poolesi...@poole.ch wrote: That does not imply that individual contributors actually hold any rights in the data they contributed. As we know, that is a difficult question and depends on jurisdiction and so on, and my take

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Simon Poole
Upps you are really confused about the origins of copyright protection, which are rather recent and had nothing to do with morals. Simon Am 07.07.2011 01:54, schrieb John Smith: On 7 July 2011 09:47, Simon Poolesi...@poole.ch wrote: Normally none of them lead to a protected work and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 July 2011 10:04, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Upps you are really confused about the origins of copyright protection, which are rather recent and had nothing to do with morals. I didn't know the late 1800s was considered rather recent ___

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Simon Poole
Am 07.07.2011 01:56, schrieb Anthony: ... There certainly is creativity involved in making a brick wall. Choosing a herringbone bond vs. a stretcher bond, for instance. And in some cases it can be copyrightable - not if it's just a herringbone or a stretcher bond, but if the pattern is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Simon Poole
In terms of laws, sure. Am 07.07.2011 02:08, schrieb John Smith: On 7 July 2011 10:04, Simon Poolesi...@poole.ch wrote: Upps you are really confused about the origins of copyright protection, which are rather recent and had nothing to do with morals. I didn't know the late 1800s was

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Simon Poole
Well 300 to 400 years earlier (as in printing press with movable letters) which doesn't make it recent, but still twice as old as copyright law. The main point however is that copyright law has a economic motivation, not moral as you imply. Simon Am 07.07.2011 02:12, schrieb John Smith:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 July 2011 10:20, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Well 300 to 400 years earlier (as in printing press with movable letters) which doesn't make it recent, but still twice as old as copyright law. The main point however is that copyright law has a economic motivation, not moral as you

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-06 Per discussione Pieren
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.comwrote: are there any suggestions for making it easier? -- robin I suggested a long time ago that adding segment roads in routes relations was a bad idea. The alternative is to put the intersection nodes and end-nodes of

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-06 Per discussione Richard Mann
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: are there any suggestions for making it easier? -- robin Well you could put in a request to make the boundary between the taglist and relations list in Potlatch moveable, so you can see more relations. Having the

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-06 Per discussione Jo
There is this proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Route_Segments, which I like, but it seems it's not worked on anymore and it's not rendered, since it involves relations containing relations. I don't really mind having many relations on roads. It doesn't pose a problem

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-06 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/6 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: The alternative is to put the intersection nodes and end-nodes of the route. This has the big advantage that ways are not split any more for some abstract features like routes (and you don't have to add a 2nd relation to rebuild the road). But it has the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter

2011-07-06 Per discussione Oleg
Cool thing around pictures, as most of twitter clients can upload them themselves and make a short links in the posts, so, we can try to use that links and put them into nodes as well! Also @mentioning - we're adding both ways now - so, you'll be able to use @osm_it - to hide your mappings from

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-06 Per discussione Pieren
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:23 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: if you stored only nodes there would be ambiguity problems in cases where several ways connect the same nodes. You also have ambiguity problem in the other model e.g. when you have segments in your relation

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter

2011-07-06 Per discussione Oleg
By the way, we'v reduced permissions for twitter - just like it should be! Thanks for mentioning that! -- RO 2011/7/6 Oleg gel...@gmail.com Cool thing around pictures, as most of twitter clients can upload them themselves and make a short links in the posts, so, we can try to use that links

Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects

2011-07-06 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? Including it in the list gives us a chance to link to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_map_maker and explain why people should *not* choose GMM instead of OSM. --

Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 6 July 2011 22:03, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? Including it in the list gives us a chance to link to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_map_maker

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 6 July 2011 18:20, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: [GG] I was not talking about copyright. Copyright laws are of no use in the digital era, You were talking about databases, however databases can still store copyrightable content, in this case it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects

2011-07-06 Per discussione Matthias Meisser
Am 06.07.2011 20:17, schrieb John Smith: On 6 July 2011 22:03, Tobias Knerro...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? Including it in the list gives us a chance to link to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dave F. wrote: If, by _used_ you mean that it's a part of the way, then *millions* of nodes have no attributes. No tags. Yes. If one of these gets moved then the whole way gets updated, No. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-06 Per discussione Robin Paulson
On 6 July 2011 22:39, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Detaching intersection nodes is not something usual. At the moment, the complexity is more on managing ways with an increasing amount of relations and an increasing amount of segments within the relations for a single street. hmm, all

[OSM-talk] new zealand, australia

2011-07-06 Per discussione Robin Paulson
i did a search for new zealand, and was heartened to find we are now part of australia. at last, we have come to our senses and joined as a nation! slightly more seriously, could someone help with the labelling of the node for nz? apart from somehow being part of australia, if i click on the

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-06 Per discussione Andrew Guertin
On 07/06/2011 11:35 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: is there any consensus on shortening of parts of names? e.g.: street/st saint/st avenue/ave point/pt mount/mt i was under the impression consensus was to type the full word, then renderers would shorten where necessary? apparently some

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-06 Per discussione Jochen Topf
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 03:35:07PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: is there any consensus on shortening of parts of names? e.g.: street/st saint/st avenue/ave point/pt mount/mt i was under the impression consensus was to type the full word, then renderers would shorten where necessary?

Re: [OSM-talk] new zealand, australia

2011-07-06 Per discussione Toby Murray
Looking at the details it seems like the Australia being referred to is the continent, not the country. The New Zealand node has a is_in:continent=Australia tag and there is a place=continent node that nominatim is associating it with. So I guess this is correct but perhaps a little confusing in

[talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Andrew Harvey
Since the ban on all contributors who didn't sign the CTs, and ban on all new contributors from using NearMap and other CC-BY/CC-BY-SA sources, I'm no longer actively contributing to the OSM database. Instead I am now actively contributing to the fosm database. I am interested to hear what other

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Franc Carter
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.comwrote: Since the ban on all contributors who didn't sign the CTs, and ban on all new contributors from using NearMap and other CC-BY/CC-BY-SA sources, I'm no longer actively contributing to the OSM database. Instead I am now

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione waldo000...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.comwrote: Are you going to stop contributing data altogether? Or are you putting you efforts on hold at the moment. My efforts are on hold at the moment. Still disillusioned... ___

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Chris Barham
Hi Andrew, On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 21:29, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: snip Are you moving to the fosm db? If so, great! Less problems with trying to merge your data into fosm, and we can all get back to mapping. Do you have any concerns over the switch? I have concerns. The

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Steve Coast
This is exactly right. On 7/6/2011 5:35 AM, Chris Barham wrote: Hi Andrew, On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 21:29, Andrew Harveyandrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: snip Are you moving to the fosm db? If so, great! Less problems with trying to merge your data into fosm, and we can all get back to mapping.

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 6 July 2011 22:35, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: I'd like to think all this rather dull licence bickering will play out and OSM will continue and strengthen. It's sad that people with agendas are talking up the 'possible' deletion of data, and rushing off to fork. That energy

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Mark Pulley
On 06/07/2011, at 9:29 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: because any CC-BY-SA derived data you add may be removed if OSM abandons CC-BY-SA at some point in the future (or may even be conflicting with your agreed CTs now...). How could I add CC-BY-SA derived data if I use GPS traces, audio

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 July 2011 07:54, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: How could I add CC-BY-SA derived data if I use GPS traces, audio recordings of names, or imagery like Yahoo or Bing? The only way I could see this happening would be if I was to deliberately go out of my way to add a Actually it's

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Sam Couter
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: This is exactly right. It's only exactly right if you don't have a problem with the new licence, with the process by which it was implemented, with mass deletion of data, with the proliferation of incompatible open licences, with irrevocable and eternal

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione Steve Coast
On 7/6/2011 3:20 PM, Sam Couter wrote: Steve Coastst...@asklater.com wrote: This is exactly right. It's only exactly right if you don't have a problem with the new licence, with the process by which it was implemented, with mass deletion of data, with the proliferation of incompatible open

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione David Murn
As others have said.. 1) Ive moved to fosm since the lockout 2) Im feeling pretty disillusioned at the whole thing, and seriously wonder if its not worth just paying 5 bucks for a map that I cannot share, rather than deal with the politics of a staggered mapping project 3) Ive made a couple of

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 49, Issue 1

2011-07-06 Per discussione Nathan Odgers
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 21:29:54 +1000 From: Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com To: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes Message-ID:

[talk-au] Very cheap Garmin Vista Hcx - legit?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Christopher Barham
Hi Is anybody good at spotting eBay scams? This dude has 64 new Garmin Vista HCx's on eBay for about $120 less than comparable offers. Apart from zero feedback and the price, it looks legit to me. Hmm - any thoughts on a possible GPS bargain? (I was thinking it could be ok as Canada is awash

Re: [talk-au] Very cheap Garmin Vista Hcx - legit?

2011-07-06 Per discussione David Murn
The URLs you sent didnt work here, but personally Ive bought a few GPS receivers from dealextreme.com Theyre a hong kong based business but have free shipping and low prices. I think my GPS data logger cost about $15 there. Most of their LCD GPS units simply run windows CE so you simply have to

Re: [Talk-br] OpenStreetMap no Android

2011-07-06 Per discussione Diogo W
Você pode baixar os mapas daqui: http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/south-america/ (baixe o PBF, o OsmAnd reconhece). A atualização é semanal, se não me engano. O OsmAnd permite atualizar nomes de vias e sentido ? O iOS tem alguma aplicação que permita isso ? Se não tiver, alguém quer me ajudar a

[Talk-de] Stammtische im Wiki-Terminkalender reduzieren?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo, auf unsrem (internationalen) Wiki sind ja alle Stammtisch-Termine weltweit aufgelistet. Von 83 Terminen, die dort eingetragen sind, sind 71 in Deutschland, und 69 davon sind Stammtischtermine. Dem unbedarften Besucher aus, sagen wir, Mexico City muss es also so vorkommen, als ob

Re: [Talk-de] Stammtische im Wiki-Terminkalender reduzieren?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Jochen Topf
Hi! ein Problem ist ja, dass viele Stammtische jeden Monat stattfinden und der Kalender 6 Monate umfasst, sie also mehrfach auftreten. Man könnte vielleicht jeweils nur den nächsten Termin davon darstellen und alle weiteren erst nach Klick auf wiederkehrende Termine einblenden oder sowas. Jochen

[Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Andreas Neumann
Moin, bevor ich einen Editwar beginnen, wollte ich nur klären, ob ich da falsch liege... Es geht darum, wenn mehrere Bänke an einem Platz stehen. Ich hab immer einen Node für jede Bank gesetzt. Nun geht ein User in Ilmenau durch und löscht die Bänke. Auf unserem Kirchplatz stehen jeweils Bäumchen

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 6. Juli 2011 10:50 schrieb Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net: bevor ich einen Editwar beginnen, wollte ich nur klären, ob ich da falsch liege... Es geht darum, wenn mehrere Bänke an einem Platz stehen. Ich hab immer einen Node für jede Bank gesetzt. Nun geht ein User in Ilmenau durch und

[Talk-de] Europakarte auf Vista HCX

2011-07-06 Per discussione Fabian Schmidt
Hallo Carsten, Dirk et al., ich suche eine routingfähige Garminkarte für Mitteleuropa. Ist das Vista HCX zu alt, um die Karte in zwei Dateien zu laden? Kann ich die halbe eu_rout_gmapsupp1.img.gz irgendwie in eine allein lauffähige Karte halb Europas konvertieren? Ein Versuch, mit

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Claudius
Am 06.07.2011 11:03, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 6. Juli 2011 10:50 schrieb Andreas Neumannandr-neum...@gmx.net: bevor ich einen Editwar beginnen, wollte ich nur klären, ob ich da falsch liege... Es geht darum, wenn mehrere Bänke an einem Platz stehen. Ich hab immer einen Node für jede Bank

Re: [Talk-de] Stammtische im Wiki-Terminkalender reduzieren?

2011-07-06 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 6. Juli 2011 09:47 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Was koennten wir tun, um die restliche OSM-Welt nicht so zu erdruecken? Sollten wir vielleicht einfach eine Extra-Kalenderseite Regular pub meets in Germany machen? Ja, man könnte die Pub-meetings nach Ländern sortieren und auf

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Falk Zscheile
Am 6. Juli 2011 10:50 schrieb Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net: bevor ich einen Editwar beginnen, wollte ich nur klären, ob ich da falsch liege... Es geht darum, wenn mehrere Bänke an einem Platz stehen. Ich hab immer einen Node für jede Bank gesetzt. Nun geht ein User in Ilmenau durch

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 6. Juli 2011 11:24 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@googlemail.com: Vielleicht könnt ihr euch ja darauf einigen, dass die nahe beieinander stehenden Bänke über eine site-Relation zusammengefasst werden. -1, wozu sollte das gut sein? Es ist ein Leichtes, nahe zusammenstehende Bänke _im

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 10:50:41AM +0200, Andreas Neumann wrote: Moin, bevor ich einen Editwar beginnen, wollte ich nur klären, ob ich da falsch liege... Es geht darum, wenn mehrere Bänke an einem Platz stehen. Ich hab immer einen Node für jede Bank gesetzt. Nun geht ein User in Ilmenau

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Falk Zscheile
Am 6. Juli 2011 11:36 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 6. Juli 2011 11:24 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@googlemail.com: Vielleicht könnt ihr euch ja darauf einigen, dass die nahe beieinander stehenden Bänke über eine site-Relation zusammengefasst werden. -1, wozu

[Talk-de] Sommeraufgabe 2011

2011-07-06 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck (OSM)
Moin ! Der Sommerurlaub steht für viele vor der Tür und was liegt da näher als am Urlaubsort auch einwenig zu mappen. Neben den einfachen Dingen wie Postkästen, Bierstuben etc. gibt es auch größere Objekte die in der Regel die Zusammenarbeit mehrerer erfordern - ich spreche hier

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Sven Sommerkamp
Würde man statt einem Waldstück jeden einzelnen Baum erfassen? Warum nicht? Vielleicht mit Pilzbewuchs und ohne als Tag? Die Frage ist doch immer wieviel ist ausreichend und macht Sinn? Und ist ist das Konstrukt noch allgemein durchschaubar? Gruß Sven Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2011, 11:40:06

Re: [Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Serverwieder entpacken

2011-07-06 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
... ... umgekehrt - ich muss erst einmal auf windows7 packen und dann das richtige entpackscript auf dem zerver haben ! hast Du mir dem Teil schon einaml das Bündeln von Dateien in verschachtelten Verzeichnissen realisiert bekommen ?? such mal nach tar bzw. komprimiere dann mit

Re: [Talk-de] highway=axis

2011-07-06 Per discussione Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2011 00:50:43 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: einerseits sehe ich es gerade bei Autobahnen schwierig an, dort vor Ort genaue Maße zu erheben, damit hast du recht, die wenigsten Mapper werden die Gelegenheit eines Staus nutzen und schnell die Mittelstreifenbreite mit

Re: [Talk-de] Sommeraufgabe 2011

2011-07-06 Per discussione Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2011 12:20:32 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck (OSM): Moin ! Der Sommerurlaub steht für viele vor der Tür und was liegt da näher als am Urlaubsort auch einwenig zu mappen. ... um 14 Uhr dann Beachvolleyball am Zentralstrand und um 16 Uhr Wasserball im Pool ... scnr,

Re: [Talk-de] Sommeraufgabe 2011

2011-07-06 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 6. Juli 2011 12:20 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck (OSM) o...@tappenbeck.net: [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Sommeraufgabe2011 nette Idee, ich habe mal ein paar Hinweise für Italien ergänzt. Hast Du das auch im Forum gepostet? Gruß Martin ___

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 6. Juli 2011 11:53 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@googlemail.com: Aha, und das ist dann genauer/besser? Ich denke dieses Beispiel zeigt schön, dass hier irgendwo eine Grenze bei der Datengenauigkeit liegt. Klar gibt es eine Grenze bei der Datengenauigkeit, aber die besteht eben nicht

Re: [Talk-de] Sommeraufgabe 2011

2011-07-06 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
Am 06.07.2011 13:13, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 6. Juli 2011 12:20 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck (OSM)o...@tappenbeck.net: [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Sommeraufgabe2011 nette Idee, ich habe mal ein paar Hinweise für Italien ergänzt. Hast Du das auch im Forum gepostet? Gruß Martin

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 6. Juli 2011 12:27 schrieb Sven Sommerkamp s_sommerk...@gmx.de: Würde man statt einem Waldstück jeden einzelnen Baum erfassen? Warum nicht? ja, warum nicht. Vielleicht mit Pilzbewuchs und ohne als Tag? warum nicht, wenn man Zeit, Lust und Interesse daran hat. Die Frage ist doch

Re: [Talk-de] was ist map2go ?

2011-07-06 Per discussione bkmap
Am 03.07.2011 07:42, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: hi ! habe gerade den Link http://www.map2go.org/maps/ gefunden - kann mir einer sagen was das ist oder dahinter steckt ?? Ich finde kein Impressium und sonstigen Texte !! Gruß Jan :-) Keine Ahnung, WhoIs zeigt: Registrant Name:Thorsten

Re: [Talk-de] Europakarte auf Vista HCX

2011-07-06 Per discussione Carsten Schwede
Hallo Fabian, Am 06.07.2011 11:09, schrieb Fabian Schmidt: ich suche eine routingfähige Garminkarte für Mitteleuropa. Ist das Vista HCX zu alt, um die Karte in zwei Dateien zu laden? Ja, die Software erwartet nur eine Kartendatei und diese heißt gmapsupp.img. Kann ich die halbe

Re: [Talk-de] Stammtische im Wiki-Terminkalender reduzieren?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/06/11 11:14, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Ja, man könnte die Pub-meetings nach Ländern sortieren und auf Unterseiten unterbringen. Eigentlich finde ich, dass ausser Deutschland kein Land eine Unterseite braeuchte ;) oder, wenn Du gern eine allgemeingueltige Regel haettest, wuerde

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 12:27:29PM +0200, Sven Sommerkamp wrote: Würde man statt einem Waldstück jeden einzelnen Baum erfassen? Warum nicht? Vielleicht mit Pilzbewuchs und ohne als Tag? Ist das nicht vielleicht was anderes? Begriffstechnisch ist schon Wald nicht gleich Baum. Wohingegen

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 01:27:00PM +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 6. Juli 2011 12:27 schrieb Sven Sommerkamp s_sommerk...@gmx.de: Würde man statt einem Waldstück jeden einzelnen Baum erfassen? Warum nicht? ja, warum nicht. Vielleicht nicht anstatt sondern zusaetzlich? Das machen die

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/06/11 13:27, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Die Frage ist doch immer wieviel ist ausreichend und macht Sinn? Und ist ist das Konstrukt noch allgemein durchschaubar? ja, wobei das bei der Aufnahme wieder der einzelne Mapper entscheidet, während das Löschen m.E. mind. einen

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/06/11 14:19, Florian Lohoff wrote: Und ist ist das Konstrukt noch allgemein durchschaubar? Was ist daran nicht durchschaubar wenn ich eine flaeche highway=pedestrian area=yes habe und darauf viele nodes mit amenity=bench? +1 - in der Praxis ist es doch eher so: Je detailreicher

Re: [Talk-de] Europakarte auf Vista HCX

2011-07-06 Per discussione fla...@googlemail.com
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:All_in_one_Garmin_Map/Gebiete Ab morgen gibts es zwei bis dreimal die Woche von allen auf der Seite registierten Listen downloadbare Karten. Dirk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)

2011-07-06 Per discussione fla...@googlemail.com
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:All_in_one_Garmin_Map/Gebiete Ab morgen gibt es alle 2-3 Tage von allen dort eingetragenen Gebieten downloadbare Listen. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Stammtische im Wiki-Terminkalender reduzieren?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Kolossos
Hallo, das einfachste wäre es doch, die in fernerer Zukunft liegenden Stammtische mal zusammen in ein noinclude /noinclude zu packen. Unterbrochen wären diese Ausblendeblöcke nur von den Konferenzen. Schon wäre die Startseite aufgeräumter. Die Vorschau sollte aus meiner Sicht bei einem bis

[Talk-de] PRESSE: Artikel mit Erwähnung von OSM auf faz.net

2011-07-06 Per discussione Dominik Wegerle
http://www.faz.net/artikel/C31158/unterwegs-mit-dem-smartphone-outdoor-routenfuehrer-fuer-android-30455768.html Grüße Dominik -- Dominik Wegerle fortunequest o...@dwegerle.eu ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Stammtische im Wiki-Terminkalender reduzieren?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Kolossos wrote: Hallo, das einfachste wäre es doch, die in fernerer Zukunft liegenden Stammtische mal zusammen in ein noinclude /noinclude zu packen. Unterbrochen wären diese Ausblendeblöcke nur von den Konferenzen. Schon wäre die Startseite aufgeräumter. Von mir aus gern! Bye Frederik

Re: [Talk-de] Stammtische im Wiki-Terminkalender reduzieren?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Kolossos
Am 06.07.2011 19:55, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Von mir aus gern! Erledigt. Grüße Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] highway=axis

2011-07-06 Per discussione T. Clormann
Hallo, Am Freitag 01 Juli 2011 00:44:23 schrieb Frederik Ramm: PS: Gibt es das eigentlich ueberhaupt, dass Strassen und Schienen ueber die gleiche Bruecke fuehren? Ich kenne, zumindest in Deutschland, glaub ich nur separate Bruecken, selbst wenn beides direkt benachbart ist. und noch ein

Re: [Talk-de] Europakarte auf Vista HCX

2011-07-06 Per discussione Fabian Schmidt
Am 06.07.11 schrieb fla...@googlemail.com: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:All_in_one_Garmin_Map/Gebiete Ab morgen gibts es zwei bis dreimal die Woche von allen auf der Seite registierten Listen downloadbare Karten. Entsprechen die Nummern 70013xxx der Kacheln unter europe-daily/img/

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Stephan Wolff
Moin! Am 06.07.2011 14:19, schrieb Florian Lohoff: On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 12:27:29PM +0200, Sven Sommerkamp wrote: Die Frage ist doch immer wieviel ist ausreichend und macht Sinn? Nein - es gibt kein ausreichend. Jeder darf so viel und so detailreich mappen wie er will solange er nicht

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 7. Juli 2011 00:05 schrieb Stephan Wolff s.wo...@web.de: Wie könnte man z.B. bei einer Bushaltestelle mit Bank und Unterstand die Lage der drei Einzelobjekte (Haltestellenmast am Fahrbahnrand, Bank hinter dem Fußweg, Unterstand 5 m in Fahrtrichtung) abbilden ohne eine bestehende Auswertung

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-06 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Stephan Wolff wrote: Nein - es gibt kein ausreichend. Jeder darf so viel und so detailreich mappen wie er will solange er nicht dadurch den anderen die nutzung kaputt macht. Aber woran erkennt ein Mapper, ob nicht irgendeine Nutzung kaputt geht oder schwerwiegende Nachteile hat?

Re: [Talk-in] NRSC Landuse data in public domain

2011-07-06 Per discussione Arun Ganesh
I managed to download the LULC layer but when I try to download in JOSM, I get a message Sorry! No data available in this scale. This is for very low zoom levels i.e.1 inch = 1 km Any idea why? Shalabh The imagery is for even lower zoom levels since its on the 1:1million scale. I

Re: [Talk-in] NRSC Landuse data in public domain

2011-07-06 Per discussione Shalabh
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.comwrote: I managed to download the LULC layer but when I try to download in JOSM, I get a message Sorry! No data available in this scale. This is for very low zoom levels i.e.1 inch = 1 km Any idea why? Shalabh The

Re: [Talk-in] NRSC Landuse data in public domain

2011-07-06 Per discussione Arun Ganesh
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.comwrote: I managed to download the LULC layer but when I try to download in JOSM, I get a message Sorry! No data available in this scale. This is for

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