Re: [Talk-de] OSM in Irland?

2012-08-22 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On Tuesday, 21 August 2012, Werner Poppele wrote: also vielleicht stell ich mich ja wieder mal dumm an: Aber ich weiss nicht was #osm-ie sein soll. Sorry, da habe ich das IRC-Kanal gemeint, dort sind am allermeisten irische Mapper zu finden. Die Mailingliste ist auch eine Option, aber viel

Re: [Talk-de] OSM in Irland?

2012-08-21 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2012/8/15 Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de: Aber wenn es keine sinnvollen Luftbilder gibt und es scheinbar nur wenige lokale Mapper gibt ist das verständlich. Und dazu vermute ich, dass die Bevölkerungsdichte in Irland kleiner ist als in Deutschland. Zusätzlich wohl auch in vielen

[OSM-talk-ie] Licence Change - it's happening

2012-07-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
Dear Irish community, Most of you know in one form or another about the licence change. Many of you also know that the data redaction was to take place in April. It has of course taken quite a bit longer, but a lot of care has been taken and we now have a good toolset that has been tested against

[Talk-de] Billigfliegen nach Tokio für SOTM

2012-05-19 Per discussione Dermot McNally
Liebe Mapper, es gibt von euch wohl einige, die bei SOTM gerne dabei wären, sich allerdings den teuren Flug nach Tokio nicht leisten wollen. Da habe ich vielleicht eine Lösung, die allerdings schnell verfallen wird. Gestern Abend ist es mir gelungen, eine Flugverbindung von Europa(*) nach Tokio

[OSM-talk] Rebuild plan (followups to rebuild list, please)

2012-03-22 Per discussione Dermot McNally
Dear Community, I have waited a day to reply to the sudden wave of feedback regarding the rebuild task list and plan. In this way I hope to ensure that my reply is constructive and useful. I urge others to adopt a similar approach. It would be nice to be able to claim that it was gratifying to

Re: [Talk-de] OSM in Irland?

2012-02-23 Per discussione Dermot McNally
Hallo uns sorry, dass ich deine Überlegungen einige Tagelang übersehen habe... 2012/2/23 Steffen Grunewald steffen.grunew...@gmx.net: Was mir noch zusätzlich Kopfschmerzen macht: die Küstenlinie scheint einigermaßen zum Bing-Bild zu passen. Also... Was du als Küstenlinie gesehen hast passt

Re: [Talk-de] OSM in Irland?

2012-02-23 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2012/2/22 Steffen Grunewald steffen.grunew...@gmx.net: Maidin mhaith, :) Da hat einer geübt! Da ich dort aber mit dem Fahrrad langfahren will, werde ich den Garmin mitlaufen lassen und zumindest die Kreuzungen als Wegpunkte schreiben. Bis dahin sind aber vermutlich source=Bing-Einträge

Re: [Talk-de] OSM in Irland?

2012-02-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
Halle Steffen, sei aus Dublin begrüßt! 2012/2/16 Steffen Grunewald steffen.grunew...@gmx.net: in Vorbereitung auf eine Irlandreise habe ich mir auch die OSM mal angesehen, für das Garmin Nüvi und Oregon. Die img-Dateigrößen verheißen ja nichts Gutes, 37MB für die Kukuk-Basemap sind verglichen

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] feedback requested

2011-12-25 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 24 December 2011 23:03, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: Another mapper walks by, notices that the place is a pizzeria and adds back an identical tag. Are we clean or dirty now? Dirty, because the very same situation could arise with a non

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] feedback requested

2011-12-25 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 25 December 2011 21:05, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 13:48:24 + 4. Well-meaning new (therefore agreeing) mapper sees the node, notices the cuisine tag in the history and reapplies it without having personal knowledge to back this up. odbl=clean is still

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] feedback requested

2011-12-24 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 24 December 2011 19:32, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I have prepared changes to the OSMI map that allow me to * treat untagged nodes as clean if moved by an agreeing mapper Nice * treat any tags contributed by a non-agreeing mapper as harmless if  these tags are not present

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Are objects still tainted when they are edited from a better source ?

2011-12-15 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 15 December 2011 15:17, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: When I use high-resolution imagery to improve areas formerly mapped from low-resolution imagery, I change the source tag on the objects I touch - i.e. from Yahoo low resolution satellite to Microsoft Bing satellite. Since my

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyprotection for OSM based material

2011-11-25 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 25 November 2011 11:07, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: I will go even further and say this is already happening by people who have already agreed to the ODbL. (Should I point out the examples that I know of ?) From where we stand now, they are doing nothing wrong, since ODbL does not

Re: [Talk-de] [bulk]: Re: [bulk]: Re: [bulk]: Re: [bulk]: Re: Datum Lizenzumstellung bekannt

2011-11-24 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/11/23 Wolfgang Barth wolfg...@barthwo.de: Wenn man das einschaltet, wie sehe ich dann die Lizenzprobleme? Hab keinen Hilfetext dazu gefunden. Eingefärbt? Wie? Das ganze ist (vorerst auf Englisch) hier dokumentiert:

Re: [Talk-de] [bulk]: Re: [bulk]: Re: [bulk]: Re: Datum Lizenzumstellung bekannt

2011-11-23 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/11/20 Wolfgang Barth wolfg...@barthwo.de: Am 20.11.2011 22:52, schrieb Dermot McNally: Bin spät dabei, aber vielleicht ist es für dich noch interessant zu wissen, dass auch Potlatch  den Lizenzstatus anzeigen kann. Ja? Dann sag mal wie. Ich hab das bisher nicht entdecken können

Re: [Talk-de] [bulk]: Re: [bulk]: Re: [bulk]: Re: Datum Lizenzumstellung bekannt

2011-11-23 Per discussione Dermot McNally
sie nicht aufgefallen ist. Dahinter sind manche Einstellungen, darunter eine, die Lizenzstatus einblendet. Dermot 2011/11/23 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com: 2011/11/20 Wolfgang Barth wolfg...@barthwo.de: Am 20.11.2011 22:52, schrieb Dermot McNally: Bin spät dabei, aber vielleicht ist es für

Re: [OSM-talk] Aerial photo offsets

2011-11-20 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 7 November 2011 08:50, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: The leader of the project, Dermot McNally, talked at the Vienna state of the map. There is no video, but there are slides: http://sotm-eu.org/slides/46_DermotMcNally_TrueOffset.pdf If I understood right, some code was written

Re: [Talk-de] [bulk]: Re: [bulk]: Re: Datum Lizenzumstellung bekannt

2011-11-20 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/11/11 Wolfgang Barth wolfg...@barthwo.de: Ich hab jetzt licencechange installiert in josm (owohl ich eher gerne mit potlatch arbeite) und lade mal hier und da in meine Gegend eine Teilmap. Bin spät dabei, aber vielleicht ist es für dich noch interessant zu wissen, dass auch Potlatch den

[Talk-de] OSMF Board - ich bin Kandidat

2011-08-30 Per discussione Dermot McNally
Hallo zusammen, ich wollte euch (sehr) kurz mitteilen, dass ich für die kommende OSMF Wahl Kandidat bin. Alles Infos, auch zu den Anderen würdigen Kandidaten, hier: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM11/Election_to_Board#Nominations Dermot --

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On Friday, 17 June 2011, Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer o...@amen-online.de wrote: Please note that the CT do not guarantee a 2/3 majority of the community. Only a part of the community is entitled to vote. I read your other mail on that topic. I don't personally have any objection to addressing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 11:00, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Does that not effectively rule out any future relicensing because the burden of checking existing data is just too high? I mean, how would one even *begin* to perform such a check, given that nobody is actually obliged to tell us

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 15:34, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote: Could we then export change 2 to a PD database first and import that into ODbL OSM? Wouldn't it be much simpler for those users to simply accept CT? PD is a superset of CT and ODbL after all... Dermot --

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 16:04, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: No, it would be simpler for OSM. Works for me - I'm an OSM mapper and the work in question is from OSM mappers. Floris' comments talk about saving as much data as possible, by context, saving it for

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 16:55, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: If we convince them to release under PD, then we can take their work and then license it as ODbL, so not wanting their work licensed ODbL precludes releasing under PD. Notwithstanding the fact that much of the reasoning here

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 18:55, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: I know at least one person who does exactly that just because he wants to harm the OSMF because he disagrees with the processes - not with the outcome, though. The harm he's doing is to the other mappers in the areas he has mapped.

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-14 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 14 June 2011 05:18, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Nathan was being gracious. You ARE trolling. Stop it. I like to assume good faith on the lists. I have never for a moment doubted the sincerity of your position on the licence change, and I demand the same courtesy from you. It's

Re: [Talk-de] PR: June 16, Bloomsday: Pubs in Dublin

2011-06-14 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/6/13 RalfGesellensetter r...@gmx.de: A good puzzle would be to cross Dublin without passing a pub. -James Joyes, Ulysses Pünktlich hat rorym ein Ergebnis zum Thema veröffentlicht: http://www.kindle-maps.com/blog/yes-it-is-possible-to-cross-dublin-without-passing-a-pub.html Fazit: es geht!

Re: [OSM-talk] Poll on Governance, what constitutes news, wiki front page

2011-06-13 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 13 June 2011 14:41, TimSC mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: So I ask any interested parties and Richard: please respond with a definition of what constitutes news and/or some reasoning that it is one person's hobbyhorse, otherwise I will revert you back. Also if you want to raise

Re: [Talk-de] PR: June 16, Bloomsday: Pubs in Dublin

2011-06-13 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/6/13 RalfGesellensetter r...@gmx.de: A good puzzle would be to cross Dublin without passing a pub. -James Joyes, Ulysses Viele Dublin Pubs fehler noch auf OSM, aber User rorym hat sich mit genau diesem Thema beschäftigt. Bislang ohne eine passende Strecke zu finden. Als Voraussetzung soll

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-11 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 June 2011 13:21, TimSC mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: 4) Join the OSMF as a member (people keep suggesting this but I don't actually agree!) This might be a good point for you to outline how you think important stuff should be organised - how to ensure servers are bought and

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On Friday, 10 June 2011, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: then why is it making all the decisions on the new license? Or am I then misunderstanding how the whole process is taking place? I suggest that you are. We the mappers are making the decisions based on a proposal drawn up at great

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 10 June 2011 21:38, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: 2. How do they know that there is overwhelming support from the community ? (I don't believe the license change passed this test) and Close to 99% of mappers who actively voted supported the change. 3. And waiting for the community to

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 10 June 2011 22:16, TimSC mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: I think you are confusing support the relicense with accept the relicense and that difference is significant. Not at all - I know of no form of democracy that distinguishes between grudging acceptance or evangelical zeal.

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
I'd like to save Nic the trouble of taking issue with my claim below - I've since realised that he reversed his no vote, something that changes very much the character of the point he was making. Sorry Nic, Dermot On 10 June 2011 21:50, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 June 2011 21

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 10 June 2011 23:01, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I cannot think of any democratic process where only the 'yes' voters are allowed to participate in the results. Can you? About a year ago, Bavaria held a referendum to ban smoking in just about all indoor public places including

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 10 June 2011 23:35, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: It's a flawed analogy, since there were two decisions for smokers: whether to vote yes or no on the referendum, and (after it passed) whether to patronize these places. With OSM there is only one decision; someone who 'votes'

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 June 2011 00:15, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're being deliberately obtuse That's amusing coming from somebody who thinks he can inhibit the use of data he has declared as PD, but let's carry on... , but I'll continue to assume otherwise. In a democracy, there

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 June 2011 01:02, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: I would quite like to take my data and start my own PD / CC0 project. So by simply matching my new license to the conditions set by the OSMF, I would be voting yes in your referendum. Of course, you are free to do that. So we need to

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 June 2011 00:53, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: True.  I clicked the button to accept the license, since this was necessary in order to continue editing, but I don't much care for the license.  In particular, I disliked the fact that you had to agree in advance, sight

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 June 2011 02:13, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: When I signed up in the first place, I was required to say I accept having my data placed under the CC-by-SA license, but, unlike the new license, I was not required to waive my right to have a say in any future license

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-08 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 8 June 2011 17:59, Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer o...@amen-online.de wrote: I am willing to grant the OSFM + 2/3 of the community the right to relicense my contributions in the following ways: * the current versions of the ODbL and/or of the CC-BY-SA, * all past and future versions of the ODbL

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-07 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On Tuesday, 7 June 2011, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: The process is pretty simple really: - decide what licence you want without bothering to hold a vote A lot of thought and consultation went into the proposed licence and polls were taken to back up the conclusions. Of course, the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-07 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 7 June 2011 14:35, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: A 2/3 majority of what?  When was a poll held? Your next paragraph suggests that you know when. Do you really think it's a valid poll where, for months, you're only allowed to say yes, and then even after you're allowed to say no, you can

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-07 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 7 June 2011 15:20, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Of 8,402,321 people eligible to vote, 8,357,560, or 99.5%, cast ballots--8,348,700 of which favored Hussein, the government said. There were 5,808 spoiled ballots. Luckily our licence vote is more transparent. Details on who said yes and no

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 4 May 2011 18:21, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: I rejected the CTs because I felt the OSMF* was out of touch with the community. Your statement just reaffirms that. The Community, by my definition, is made up of the people who map, most of whom are not members of OSMF. The change in

Re: [Talk-de] OSMF

2011-05-04 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/5/4 Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de: - es gibt keine wählbare Alternative Aber der Lizenzwechsel (genau gesehen, der CT-Wechsel) gibt der Community einen Weg, Lizenzvorschläge in Zukunft (von mir aus, sogar in naher Zukunft) zu wählen. Wollen genug Leute einen Lizenzwechsel, kann das auch

Re: [Talk-de] OSMF

2011-05-04 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/5/4 Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de: Ja, das ist eine Verbesserung. Der Preis ist aber m.E. zu hoch: - Verlust von verdienten OSMern - Datenverlust (in noch unbestimmter Höhe) Dieses Medizin muss das Projekt früher oder später schlucken. Je früher, desto weniger Verlust an Daten und Mapper.

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-23 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/4/23 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: Das man meine Daten verwendenet um dann PD daten herzuleiten und das als nicht derivat zu erklaren, halte ich fuer einen Streitfall. Mann sollte das erstmals gar nicht zulassen, und wenn man PD daten behalten mochte, sollte man die

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-23 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/4/23 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: Ich habe es so verstanden :  es gibt einige mapper die ihre Daten also PD markieren und so weiterlizenziern, diese Mischen ihre Daten im OSM pool, und geben ihre Beitraege auch als PD weiter, wenn es nicht so ist, habe ich was falsch

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-21 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/4/21 Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de: Wenn die OSMF in destruktiver Weise mit der Community umgeht (hier der Inhalt und Ablauf des geplanten Lizenzwechsels), ...dann hätte die Community dementsprechend negativ reagiert beim Abstimmen. Hat sie aber nicht, sondern überwiegend positiv. Ulf ist

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-19 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 19 April 2011 13:14, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:51:06 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: One small plea: Could you refrain from saying the camp that wants to move to the ODbL. It sounds like it's a small bunch of people when indeed it is the

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-19 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/4/19 Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de: Mal doof gefragt: Wie schaffe ich es, diese Liste so durch die OSM-API zu stopfen, dass eine Liste von Usernamen rausfällt? Das kann ich nicht direkt antworten, kann aber sein, dass du hier auf deine Kosten kommst:

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 19 April 2011 00:08, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I actually meant that the 2 graphs had different scales.  When youre showing numbers upto 80, fair enough use a scale of 0-100, but dont use 0-100 on one and 0-120 on the other, and call it an even comparison. Skewing graphs is

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/4/18 Doru Julian Bugariu j.buga...@wad.org: Wieso geht es irgendwem an, *wer* auf disagree klickt? Soll das ein elektronischer Pranger werden, oder was? Ich finde, jeder hat das *Recht* sich so zu entscheiden wie er mag, ohne dass er irgendjemandem Rechenschaft schuldig ist. Weil ein

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/4/18 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Ich nehme mir das Recht heraus, die Arbeit die ich bei OSM geleistet habe zu einem mir genehmen Zeitpunkt umzulizensieren - oder halt auch nicht. Die Gründe dafür sind alleine meine Sache und dazu bin ich *niemandem* Rechenschaft oder

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/4/18 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Ich habe meine Arbeit unter einer bestimmten Lizenz der ganzen Welt zur Verfügung gestellt, nicht nur einer bestimmten Community. Nicht _mal_ der Community. Ob die Community Verständnis dafür hat, spielt eigentlich keine Rolle. Jeder soll

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/4/18 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Wenn die Community von ihrer eigenen Arbeit jetzt nichts mehr wissen will Ist irgendwie komisch, oder? Fast 11,000 Deppen und weniger als 100 die das richtig sehen. Dermot -- -- Igaühel on siin oma laul ja

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/4/19 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Ich sehe das eher so, das 11000 Mapper tendenziell bereit sind, die Arbeit von 100 wegzuwerfen, um einem Ziel zu folgen das keinem so richtig klar ist. Aber das ist meine persönliche Sicht. Klingt nicht sehr klug, wenn das so wäre. Vielleicht

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 16 April 2011 07:00, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Why does the ODbL faction not start with a fork of ODbL compliant data? Why do they need to force a split of the existing CC-by-SA data? A lot of the differences of opinion on this matter are finding expression in the words people

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 16 April 2011 08:28, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: In every schism, it's not clear who is splitting from whom. Don't presume an answer without first asking the question. Actually, I have thought widely on this. My slightly earlier email this morning outlines my thought on what

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 16 April 2011 08:31, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: So has anyone asked the FOSS gurus of licensing? I have never seen it mentioned while I was subscribed to legal-talk. I am quite prepared to start writing emails (phrased neutrally) requesting an opinion if these people have not

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-15 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 15 April 2011 23:21, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: At what point was the entire (active) OSM community asked if they wanted to relicense their data? If they haven't (I certainly wasn't) then when will we? Is this accept/decline that vote? If so, how do I vote no? How do I vote yes but

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-15 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 16 April 2011 00:07, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for asking me (if this were a vote my answer would be No, but in the interest of moving on from this nonsense and keeping data flowing I'll eventually say Yes), but the important part of my question was everyone else -- the

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel Phase 3 beginnt am Sonntag

2011-04-15 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/4/15 Rainer Knaepper sm...@gmx.de: Was will Dermot beweisen? Beweisen nichts, sondern nur verstehen. Es scheinte und scheint mir noch, dass du bei der ersten OSM Anmeldung auf gleicher Art eine Liste auf Englisch von verbindlichen Bedingungen zur Teilnahme zugestimmt hast. Und dann, wie

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 14 April 2011 18:12, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan Edgars II wrote: What happens in the future if I decline? Can I accept at a later date? Since there has been no response to this, I plan to: *hold off on accepting or declining with my NE2 account *create a new

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 14 April 2011 19:05, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. Do you speak for the OSMF? No - hence my silence and no doubt that of others when you asked before. But I have been following the licence issue attentively and have seen this question answered more than once from

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 14 April 2011 19:12, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I see it logical.  Wanting to contribute to the currently biggest, most fun free map, with most impact on the industry and a name you got used to, you soon will have no choice other than to do so under then new CT because

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 14 April 2011 23:38, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Its not terribly confusing from here.  What he is suggesting, is creating an account to contribute 'clean' data, which he is prepared to agree to OSMF's terms about.  What he is voting against, is OSMF using previously created

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 15 April 2011 00:08, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: So, please feel free to tell me where I invented anything? Right here: What he is voting against, is OSMF using previously created data which is not practical to split the 'clean' from 'tainted'. As quoted in my earlier mail.

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel Phase 3 beginnt am Sonntag

2011-04-14 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/4/14 Rainer Knaepper sm...@gmx.de: Frederik Ramm schrieb: http://openstreetmap.org/user/terms Knuffig ist, daß ich einer rechtsverbindlichen Vereinbarung zustimmen soll, die ich nicht verstehe. War das nicht bei der ersten Anmeldung genau so? Oder waren die Bedingungen dann

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available? (was: OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement)

2011-04-13 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 13 April 2011 15:15, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: What's the plan for deciding whether and when to cut off CC-BY-SA distribution? Would it require a 2/3 vote of contributors? I guess the problem with continuing to allow CC distribution of the data is that that would leave OSM

[OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-11 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 April 2011 16:41, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: When Google turns Google MapMaker on in the US and Europe*, it will become much harder to recruit new mappers to our community (that is already quite small). Being passive about this issue means that OSM and its more-open data will

Re: [Talk-de] Jetzt Live: True Offset

2011-02-19 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/2/19 pos_ei_don pos_ei_...@yahoo.de: Hm... klingt nett! Nur, welchen Versatz zeigt das Plugin an, wenn in meiner Gegend schon korrigiert wird, und ich eine erneute Messung mache? Komme ich da mit einem anderen Mapper, der Korrekturdaten eingibt, in die Quere? Rein technisch ist es

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcement: Availability of True Offset web service

2011-02-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 18 February 2011 04:08, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: For imagery sources like NearMap*, which support a time dimension, maybe it's worth including some kind of date field? That would also be helpful for imagery that, even if you can't access older imagery, can at least tell you

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcement: Availability of True Offset web service

2011-02-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 18 February 2011 23:35, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I think you're probably right. One thing that would mitigate the situation I was talking about would be if OSM editors display the current offset somewhere on the screen. Maybe a little red arrow pointing in the

Re: [Talk-de] Jetzt Live: True Offset

2011-02-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/2/18 Chris66 chris66...@gmx.de: mir ist noch nicht klar, wie man seine lokalen Korrekturdaten irgendwo eingeben/Melden kann ? Alles hier: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/True_Offset_Process#Recording_known_offsets Kurze Version: In OSM einen Umriss zeichnen, von einem Bereich wo die

Re: [Talk-de] Jetzt Live: True Offset

2011-02-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/2/18 Chris66 chris66...@gmx.de: Ah, ok, und darf man die Tags einfach bestehenden Polygonen (zB. Admin Level 8 Boundaries) anhängen? Das würde ich eher nicht machen, aus verschiedenen Gründen... Die Gefahr ist gross, dass solche Polygonen überarbeitet werden, in Relationen umgewandelt

Re: [Talk-de] Jetzt Live: True Offset

2011-02-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/2/18 Heiko Jacobs heiko.jac...@gmx.de: Kann man damit auch lösen, dass Mapper vom falschen / schlechteren Luftbild abmalen? Sprich: Wenn es lokal ein besser aufgelösteres und aktuelleres Luftbild als Bing gibt, kann man dann ein Polygon definiert mit der Botschaft Nimm lieber mich! und

[OSM-talk] Announcement: Availability of True Offset web service

2011-02-17 Per discussione Dermot McNally
Hi, Many of you will have followed earlier discussions of the True Offset process, intended to solve as simply as possible the problem of imagery offsets by enabling editors to, by default, calibrate background imagery based on offset data managed by mappers. In this way, inexperienced mappers or

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcement: Availability of True Offset web service

2011-02-17 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 18 February 2011 00:08, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Quick question; how does this cope with updates to aerial/satellite imagery that may change the offset for a given service at a given location? In exactly the same way as, say, the Offset bookmarks offered by JOSM - it doesn't, and

[Talk-de] Jetzt Live: True Offset

2011-02-17 Per discussione Dermot McNally
Hi, einige von euch wissen, dass ich den True Offset Webservice entwickelt habe. True Offset soll verhindern, dass Mapper von unkalibrierten Luftbildern abmalen. Gedacht ist, dass ein Editor, beim Laden von Luftbildern, nach notwendigen Korrekturen abfragen kann:

Re: [Talk-de] Jetzt Live: True Offset

2011-02-17 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2011/2/18 Johann H. Addicks addi...@gmx.net: Warum dieser Aufwand? Weil die Luftbilder allesamt Schrägbild-Aufnahmen sind, die gegen ein Höhenmodell entzerrt werden. [...] Alles schön und gut. In vielen Punkten kann man das alles besser machen. Aber solange die Bing Luftbilder in manchen

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 10 February 2011 14:01, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Which, by the way, I denied.  Tracing aerials does not involve copying data. Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. Since I began mapping on OSM (which was a while ago) the considered opinion of the project was Don't trace Google imagery.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 10 February 2011 14:24, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: It definitely doesn't.  There's no maybe about it. You seem to have missed my substantive point, so let me restate it: You deliberately did something we as a community have chosen not to do. You willfully put the work of others in

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 00:00, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: In order to see if an area is super high (z20)  I have to be actually zoomed in on that area to zoom level 20. Therefore I can tell if it is hi-res from the Bing imagery. I'm really failing to see the purpose of this product.

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 00:27, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: At what zoom level to I have to be at to view an already zoomed in area to view dark blue (z20)? You could be fairly zoomed out if there are enough adjacent z20 tiles turned dark blue. But yes, it all needs a lot of eyes to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 01:11, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Actually, let me correct that.  A tiny fraction (less than 0.001%) of the OSM community has told me that by deleting contributions which have absolutely nothing to do with my tracing from Google. What percentage has told you that that

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 01:34, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Oh my God.  How many times do I have to say this?  NO OBJECTS WERE INVOLVED. By now this is all at risk of getting a little like a soap opera, and like with soaps, there is a risk that people coming in at the middle of a storyline will

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 02:05, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Was there ever a sequel to that text adventure? It kind of ended on a cliff-hanger ... Well there was a crucial bit where the protagonist left the planet... Dermot -- -- Igaühel on siin

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage

2011-02-10 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 02:09, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I think the more interesting question is, if I had demanded that all my contributions to OSM be removed, would they have been removed? What basis would you have had for such a demand? Dermot -- --

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On Thursday, 3 February 2011, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx Ooh! Just what I've always wanted. [goes off to play with it] Dermot --

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Announcement: Corine 2006 Land Cover Import for Republic of Ireland

2011-01-19 Per discussione Dermot McNally
After some difficulties with a rogue polygon - a pasture area covering most of Ireland - we now have some working slippy maps linked from the wiki page linked in my first mail. The most interesting one is the preview of what the main map would look like post-import. Note that that includes the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik maxing CPU with Corine data set

2011-01-18 Per discussione Dermot McNally
Right - it has taken longer than I expected, but I have an update. We have solved the problem, which was, indeed, down to at least one over-large polygon. Stripping out the sea polygons didn't fix things, so we looked for the largest polygon and found a pasture-cover polygon covering most of the

[OSM-talk] Mapnik maxing CPU with Corine data set

2011-01-17 Per discussione Dermot McNally
Hi folks, I need help with a Mapnik problem we're having in the context of a Corine Import we're preparing in Ireland: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland_Corine_2006_Import An outline of the problem is at the bottom of the page, but here are the key details: * We have

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik maxing CPU with Corine data set

2011-01-17 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 17 January 2011 19:19, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: If you have some polygons that span half the country, that could be slowing down mapnik. If that's the case, and you import this as-is, you'd likely affect everyone else rendering Ireland in their mapnik renderer stacks. Assuming it's

Re: [Talk-de] Mapper für Interviews (Do, ~15 Uhr ) gesucht, Erfassung und Lösung von Adressprobl emen

2011-01-12 Per discussione Dermot McNally
Hallo Alex, Kurz weil vom iPhone geschickt, würde aber gerne mitmachen. Skype: dermotm Dermot On Wednesday, 12 January 2011, Alexander Steinhart / DThinking dthinking.a...@nder.info wrote: Liebe OSM Community, für einen Design-Thinking Workshop in Rumänien zur “Weiterentwicklung eines Tools

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-27 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 24 December 2010 02:10, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: That service looks very useful if it were ever implemented. I'd note that it probably needs to know about the date of the imagery too. Can't say I'm thrilled about the idea of storing the offset data in the main OSM db

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 8 December 2010 11:05, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more about. Period. People should be nicer to their parents. Period Dermot -- -- Igaühel on siin oma laul ja ma oma ei leiagi

Re: [Talk-de] Versatz in slippymap-Plugin korrigieren

2010-11-30 Per discussione Dermot McNally
2010/11/30 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Es gibt sogar schon einen Vorschlag, den Offset je nach Gebiet zentral zu speichern, und dem User automatisch anzubieten, diesen Offset zu verwenden. Implementiert ist das AFAIK noch nicht, d.h. Kommentare sind erwünscht:

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Dublin Bus Stops

2010-09-09 Per discussione Dermot McNally
On 9 September 2010 06:41, l e expectationl...@gmail.com wrote: is there a difference in overlaying this kind of data on osm and importing it Yes - you can overlay anything you want. So if you are, say, the NRA, and have road centre line data, you are free to use OpenLayers to mash them up

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