ith our dev database or .osm files.
> >>
> >> As per point on the second column, these are legit buildings, visible on
> >> Bing.
> >>
> >> Michał
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:27 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
You can always download the area and render it locally with Maperitive or
OSMAND.
Cheerio John
On 3 November 2015 at 11:06, Pierre Boucher wrote:
> Hi,
> Can someone have and explanation (and a solution) to the fact that for the
> same specific area (small area a few
> This would be referring to the explicit permission that NRCan/StatCan
gave OSM some years ago. This is a form of attribution.
However my understanding is this was given before the OSM license change
and before the OSM requirement that anything uploaded may have its license
changed by OSM in the
The agreement between CANVEC and OSM was drawn up before the .odbl license
and change to the uploading procedure which says any data uploaded to OSM
can have its license changed.
I'm of the opinion that the CANVEC licensed data cannot now be imported
into OSM under the new conditions however
t" therefore it is
> not a requirement, just a suggestion.
>
> http://geonb.snb.ca/documents/license/geonb-odl_en.pdf
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.
> *From: *john whelan
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:19 PM
> *To: *Bruno Remy
> *Cc: *tal
Do you have a confirmed venue with lots of wifi bandwidth? If its
preinstalled JOSM its not too bad but going by other maperthons iD seems to
be more demanding.
Thanks John
On 25 September 2015 at 23:40, Heather Leson wrote:
> Hi Richard and OSM friends in Canada
>
> I
that Pete has been doing them often in London UK and
> could help if needed.
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Leson
> heatherle...@gmail.com
> Twitter: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 3:23 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
&g
> it's about scoring points and winning the argument.
Unfortunately I think that is the way OSM has gone. There seems little
regard for requirements or what are we trying to do or what our end users,
the people who use the maps, would like.
HOT is slightly different they at least recognise they
As someone affected I wish to dissent therefore you do not have consensus
not every one consents.
Cheerio John
On 20 August 2015 at 12:26, Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de wrote:
On Thursday 20 August 2015, Andy Townsend wrote:
On 20/08/2015 02:16, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote:
Within the map there is provision for different language names. Different
people have different ideas about which name should be in the name field.
In general the English version will be found following the convention of
the Arctic Institute. However it is possible to tag name:en name:fr etc.
I'm getting the same from Canada.
Cheerio John
On 4 July 2015 at 09:00, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Hi,
it seems the api is down? I can't get a connection from JOSM, ID, or a
direct URL in my browser.
Regards,
Maarten
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Could we make an effort to map one bit of India remotely ideally one that
has a few mappers in it or users and see if it can grow from there? Any
NGOs operating in India?
I think there are mappers in Bangladesh or East Bengal as it used to be
called before it split from India perhaps they might
Everything is geared towards churning through newbies and generating as
much as possible media coverage, not fast, efficient and quality
coverage of the areas in question. It may have not been intended so from
the very start, but that is definitely what it has turned out to be.
I tend to
I think you could extend this to saying we should let people live their own
lives and not allow them access to things such as mobile phones until they
have enough education to design their own. In Canada we have native people
and the debate is always what services should you provide them with and
Western aid has a bad history of mostly aiding westerners. The one
simple trick for avoiding that is to ask the locals How can I help?
And if the locals say We need a better map for where we live, then
that addresses your concern.
Unfortunately the world isn't quite so simple. If we look at the
WHY do we have this agony of stuff not being rendered ? Here's a map of
the world. We've not marked on any places as we feel it would be too
confusing.
What's the flipping point.
Flog the renderers I say.
I use Maperitive to render some things a certain way. The maps are very
specialised and
I was on a Federal government committee that looked at addresses. Stats
Canada for the labour force survey or unemployment survey has its own
database of addresses.
A Canada Post postcode may refer to a physical location which is normal, or
a post van route which is the rural route side of
Basically the CANVEC data imports need cleaning up. I think there were ten
different versions, the most common I think is 7. Unfortunately some
mappers locally removed the CANVEC tags from the data if they touched it or
even on the import as they didn't think it was important. Sometimes
Interesting question Canada has a very similar license.
Cheerio John
On 22 February 2015 at 07:11, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote:
From the news: OKFN wrote Ordnance Survey announced that their OS
OpenData Licence is to be replaced by the Open Government Licence
v3.0.
Interesting thoughts, I note that HOT is interested in how the data is
consumed and in setting some sort of standards. I find the HOT approach
gives some hope for the future. Locally much of the information in OSM is
not readily useable, different spellings in the tags, different tags for
the
You might like to add in a few footpaths from Bing and compare the city's
cycling map to ensure that paths in parks are correctly tagged for cycling.
Cheerio John
Cheerio John
On 23 December 2014 at 10:37, Richard Burcher richardburc...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Folks,
I've created a new mapping
If you email it to me I can host it so others can see and download it.
Thanks John
On 1 December 2014 at 19:34, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hi Dave,
Since we are limited in the size of the emails, I will send you a copy of
an Agreement form used before for such agreements. You
I think it should say cc-by-odbl which practically no one understands or
uses. The software probably hasn't been updated when the tiles were
generated.
Cheerio John
On 20 November 2014 16:57, Leeds Tracker leedstrac...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
I was about to upload a map exported from
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODbL
Cheerio John
On 20 November 2014 18:35, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
On 20/11/14 23:06, john whelan wrote:
I think it should say cc-by-odbl which practically no one understands or
uses. The software probably hasn't been updated when the tiles
Interesting what sort of smart phones / process are they using and can we
get some to other areas?
Thanks John
On 24 October 2014 12:28, jc...@mail.com wrote:
Hi
This week's New Scientist magazine (no 2992) has an article about the
Missing Maps project. You can read it in full on their
Looking at what they are doing I'd say the information being dug out will
be of value to the OSM community and help us understand a little more about
the people who add value to the maps. It might even help us on the
retention rate and bring the experience of the average mapper up a little.
It's
of maps non-commercial.
Is this really a serious question, or a serious survey, or am I just
completly mistaking about OSM since the beginning, or is my English not as
good as I thought it was?
Sorry for the interruption,
JB.
Le 23/08/2014 15:48, moltonel 3x Combo a écrit :
On 23/08/2014, john
It is a genuine survey, just those middle questions did not prompt any
sensible answers which is why I gave up :)
It sounds silly but how does one tell if it is a genuine academic survey or
not? I'd like to see an https link to a known trusted web site and not
just the OSM wiki. Has the survey
It's actually quite an interesting survey by looking at the questions you
can often get an understanding of what is in the questioner's mind.
One of the most difficult bits is getting a good sample so please go back
and complete it even if it doesn't appear to make sense to you.
It does show a
I was surprised by the question about income wasn't the last one,
traditionally once people see such a question they stop answering the
survey and also consider the survey intrusive, but that is just a question
of the structure. The other thing of course is that it is one that doesn't
always get
Ottawa has all its bus stops in and rendered in OMAND and the normal
rendering web sites. The city has links to the maps on its web site for
some years but all the bus stops are labelled highway=bus_stop and are
tagged with the stop numbers so you can text or phone a number to find out
when the
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wrote:
Thank you for your input, that was roughly in line with my expectations
but for some reason didn't seem to match the person's experience in the
field, it could have been some time ago.
Thanks John
On 3 August 2014 12:40, Pierre Béland pierz
I was talking to someone who worked with one of the Agencies that used the
data in the field and he was saying how great it was.
However he said that the map started to appear after three of four days
which struck me as a little odd.
I understood HOT starts very quickly within hours and since we
Pierre
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I was talking to someone who worked with one of the Agencies
In the UK there are rights of way which date back in time to the days of
pack horses and long distance footpaths. I don't think you have the
equivalent in North America. So in the UK a right of way may still follow
a privately maintained road.
It's probably better to leave the tagging of this
Whilst I think of it there are some footpaths and roads in the UK which are
open to the public on 364 days a year but closed one day a year to prevent
them from becoming a public right of way.
Cheerio John
On 3 August 2014 21:47, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:
In the UK
What would be much more interesting is nodes mapped by mappers, much of
Canada for example is imported from CANVEC.
Cheerio John
On 15 July 2014 08:15, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting visualization about OpenStreetMap availability/coverage:
Visualizing nodes per
Or possible tag accepts payment from menufly, (menufly=yes?)there is some
added value in the information here.
Cheerio John
On 30 April 2014 15:10, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas,
It sounds to me like then it's menufly which offers bitcoin, and not
the restaurants
The thing to watch out for with GTFS data is the stop location. Some
transit systems have very accurate data, such as Ottawa, typically is used
for announcements on buses for blind people, others have bus stops that can
be 300 meters out.
There are tools to import the bus stops from the GTFS
Actually it really is. There are a couple more that have opened up in
Canada.
Cheerio John
On 14 September 2013 14:15, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
Is this a real business with a sign?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2458192649
go ahead and delete if it is just a
One major problem with surveys is the responses. You really want a cross
section sample so to be meaningful you'd need to generate a random list of
OSM users to send the questionnaire to then try to get the highest response
rate possible. OSM would need to be involved to send the questionnaire
for approved and qualified research
projects.
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:35 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.comwrote:
Always ask the income question last a lot of people will refuse to answer
that and any following questions. You'll get better responses with an age
range and on income in you
There are different approaches to surveys and loosely-worded questions or
open ended questions are one legitimate approach.
OSM suffers from a huge turnover or drop out rate of active mappers perhaps
the survey may help identify ways to help retention. We've already
identified that what is in
Everybody volunteers their time and knowledge but the existence of a board
at OSMF doesn't simply mean that some volunteers are now more equal than
others. (Organisations frequently rotate through board members.)
Thinking about structure, some discussion should be given as to OSMF
possibly
Maperitive will give you even greater zoom levels off a local .osm map file.
Cheerio John
On 13 January 2013 15:23, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote:
My memory may be playing tricks on me, but I'm sure it was once possible
to zoom in 1 more level than it is now, on the slippy map on
That would be my approach as well.
Cheerio John
On 27 November 2012 12:56, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote:
I wanted to tell you a few days ago that OsmAnd does all you want. Maybe
write a small manual page for it, for the subset of features your users
need.
I didn't do it then, hoping
If you pull it into JOSM and you can load up a fair chunk into JOSM these
days running it from a .bat file with extra memory then select and select
from selection or do a composite selection. You still need to check each
one but that should work. I'd also suggest double checking each one in
Or since the OSM data is held as an xml data file with tags a quick VB
program to parse it will pull out the street names. Or even Maperitive,
load a local file, export tags, then you'll find a list of street names
prefixed by addr:street in csv format.
Cheerio John
On 23 September 2012 20:50,
Have a look at Maperitive it may do what you'd like it to do and is highly
customisable.
Cheerio John
On 30 August 2012 11:29, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote:
Hi,
I'm interested in building custom mtb-oriented maps using mkgmap (so
that I can create a small map of my area
Perhaps some one could sum up the implications for data consumers. It may
sound silly but it can take up many months to get formal approval in some
government circles.
Could some consideration be given to grandfathering, ie if your existing
use of our data is non profit or government and you are
Do we need to consider the ways that have been derived from GPS tracks that
were licensed CC-by-SA and tag values such as road names where the original
has been replaced but tag information has been copied over for our
consumers to be reassured the data is .ODBL clean?
Cheerio John
On 13 August
Normally the OSM .odbl license doesn't line up with the Open data license.
Cheerio John
On 30 July 2012 22:50, Bruno Remy bremy.qc...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello
There are so many Dataset available with Opendata JOSM plug-in.
The only way to import other datasets is to develop a
Locally we have English and French. Unfortunately on one local street has
the following physical signs on it Prestone, Prestone Drive, Prom
Prestone Dr depending which sign you look at.
Personally I prefer the name:en etc it makes it easier to electronically
search for the name. Having to know
John
On 18 July 2012 16:04, Silvio Siefke siefke_lis...@web.de wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:17:50 -0400
john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:
Have a look at Maperitive for off line mapping, it can use .pbf files
which
keeps the file size down and you can strip off sources etc with XML
In Ottawa they now announce bus stops and as part of that process remapped
all the bus stops using accurate GPS devices and dropped the result in the
GTFS file.
GTFS has its own standard tags (names) for bus stops and bus stop
identifiers, including reference numbers. To make life easier for
a single step.
In my eyes the only thing you can do, is to encourage people to start a
new icon set/add missing icons, by giving them a working map that makes use
of this icons.
bye,
Matthias (user:!i!)
Am 28.06.2012 00:06, schrieb john whelan:
Could someone or a group come up with a more
Could someone or a group come up with a more standard set of icons please?
Currently JOSM has its own set, various rendering systems have their own
sets but a single recommended set that covered more would be better.
Currently skateboard, Softball, T-ball, toboggan are things that don't seem
to
-0400, john whelan wrote:
Could someone or a group come up with a more standard set of icons
please?
lets appoint a committee ;-)
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I wonder about lumping things together sometimes. Locally we have gas
stations amenity=fuel that have a convenience store and a ABM or ATM in OSM
language. I'm tempted to have three separate POIs in much the same way as
a bank with an ATM have two POIs together.
The problem with putting too
Igor added a export-tag command to Maperitive that creates a local CSV file
that can be brought into a spreadsheet. You need a local copy of the .OSM
file or possibly .pbf version should work as well. It's very useful for
spotting tags that are misspelt. Once there you can concat red tape to
I was under the impression that OSM is riddled with data that is not .odbl
compliant. In some of my personal mapping my sources may not have been
fully personal observation which is more or less what I understand .odbl
requirements to be which is why I requested my contributions be deleted
since
Is there a way to select nodes with the same location as the validation
does but then find certain ones within that selection? It appears two
imports have been done in a fairly small area with a slight variation in
the source name.
Thanks John
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I live on the other side of town, Orleans, cycle paths are a problem area
in that the city is adding a fair chunk each year but their licensing is
problematic so the best way to capture them is by local knowledge. Local
knowledge is also best for the new developments as well. Bing etc can be
I think you have to start with the requirements and on a project the size
of OpenStreetMap there are many people involved each of which have their
own set of requirements.
End users would like the information they require to exist, be reliable and
accurate.
Many people who own a GPS and a bike
The license on the database changes April 1st. Individuals have been
removing non compliant data for the last few months.
Cheerio John
On 12 March 2012 15:06, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
The message titled The Vandalism has begun on talk-us [1] suggests
that purging the OSM database of
It would be nice to bring in the Ottawa bus stops which are available under
Ottawa's whatever but an opinion has been expressed that the Canadian
cities open data is not licensed in a way that can be used by OSM.
Thoughts?
Thanks John
On 12 February 2012 12:23, Stewart C. Russell
I concur the data in OSM is dubious enough without asking for trouble.
Cheerio John
On 9 February 2012 12:58, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote:
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On 07/02/2012 08:36, Graham Jones wrote:
On 7 February 2012 05:34, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote:
Our default action
My suggestion would be to tag the data that maybe deleted. That way
individuals can see what needs to be repaired and the tags can be chosen so
that the data doesn't render on a normal web render, is that Mapnik rules?
It would also allow someone to build a set of rules that would display the
It gets forwarded to their normal email address.
Cheerio John
On 12 January 2012 10:54, Connors, Bernie (SNB) bernie.conn...@snb.cawrote:
Harald,
Thanks for the suggestion. But what can we do if a user is no
longer using OSM? If they are not using OSM they will not see the message
May I suggest that the clean way to deal with the data in OSM is to
basically remap the roads using Bing and the JOSM or whatever plugin so the
data is labelled as coming from Bing. Bing is available and it would give
a much more consistent and accurate map than OSM currently is.
Ideally I'd do
Remember that you are giving OSM authority to re-license the data in OSM in
the future and that OSM is explictly seeking to protect and copyright the
data in the database with the new .ODBL license. I don't think you have
the authority to bind OSM to the terms of use especially the word revocable
I'm trying to save to a local file but I get
No Exporter found! Nothing saved.
Suggestions please. It's the latest JOSM version and I redownloaded it to
check.
Thanks John
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internet connection. After 3 retries with Update Plugins, JOSM told
me they're all up to date now.
Polyglot
2011/12/30 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
I'm trying to save to a local file but I get
No Exporter found! Nothing saved.
Suggestions please. It's the latest JOSM version and I
Thanks for the input.
example from wiki: osmconvert germany.o5m -b=10.5,49,11.5,50
--complete-ways -o=nuernberg.o5m
Using a much smaller input file that can be loaded in JOSM and
includes the desired area.
osmconvert ottawa22.osm -v -b=-75.70,45.19,-75.73,45.23 ott.osm
gives:
?xml
John
On 26 December 2011 18:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
On 12/27/2011 12:15 AM, john whelan wrote:
osmconvert ottawa22.osm -v -b=-75.70,45.19,-75.73,45.23 ott.osm
But no data.
Thoughts?
Yes, I had not ony but two cock-ups in my message.
Of course -75.73 is smaller
A couple of comments but basically I agree with what is being said.
Imports are difficult to handle, especially for example where a road is
imported then a local mapper tags a cycle lane on the imported road. Very
difficult to keep the data separate. Might it be possible to come up with
A couple of things spring to mind, the first is use a local copy of OSM
with Maperitive and take out the bits you don't want from the rules such as
roads etc. You can also add in custom features that are not included in
the normal render. The second is load up JOSM with the area or part you
are
Since JOSM can now read PBF files could JOSM request the area of the map to
be downloaded to be in PBF format?
It would lower the bandwidth requirements.
I think it could still return any edits or additions in OSM format but I
think more bandwidth is consumed downloading than adding a couple of
on the number of nodes and it basically
becomes a cost matter where you draw the line.
The nice thing about throwing out ideas is you don't have to make them work.
Cheerio John
On 21 December 2011 17:52, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
On 12/21/2011 07:09 PM, john whelan wrote:
I
Which is the most effective compression type for .OSM files?
I'm running Windows 64 bit. Bzip2 and 7-bit seem comparable but at the
back of my mind I thought there was something a bit more specialised.
Thanks John
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to use. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/PBF_Format
Jochen
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 09:48:53AM -0500, john whelan wrote:
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:48:53 -0500
From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-talk
I suspect Oracle isn't very good at installing Java under windows. When I
attempt to run Osmosis I get Java as an unknown. Looking at Osmosis I get
the impression that I can feed it a parameter to tell it where Java is
located but I haven't been able to spot the appropriate bit of
documentation.
wrote:
On 12/20/2011 09:35 PM, john whelan wrote:
I suspect Oracle isn't very good at installing Java under windows. When
I attempt to run Osmosis I get Java as an unknown. Looking at Osmosis I
get the impression that I can feed it a parameter to tell it where Java
is located but I haven't
Yes because it is the individual contributor who has to accept the OSM's
new licensing terms, the data was not imported directly from CANVEC into
OSM.
As a Canadian tax payer I'm not quite certain I like the idea of OSM having
the power to re-license Government data but that is a separate issue.
But recently I noted that the CANVEC tags are being removed. Two people in
the talk-ca list mentioned recently they had done so.
Cheerio John
On 19 December 2011 15:38, Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org wrote:
On 19-12-2011 20:38, john whelan wrote:
Yes because it is the individual
to disagree for the moment.
Cheerio John
On 19 December 2011 16:46, Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org wrote:
On 19-12-2011 22:40, Frank Steggink wrote:
On 19-12-2011 22:20, john whelan wrote:
But recently I noted that the CANVEC tags are being removed. Two people
in the talk-ca list
Why would someone remove a tag that says Canvec import?
They had added a cycle lane but removed the Canvec Import tag at the same
time.
Thanks John
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I was looking at the map that showed contributions from those who hadn't
agreed to the new terms. One section I found interesting since I knew I'd
mapped it first from a GPS trace I'd made but looking through the history I
noticed another name before mine who hadn't agreed to the new terms.
I
Thank you, its nice to know these things. Fun stuff.
Cheerio John
On 14 December 2011 11:31, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Nick Whitelegg
nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote:
Doesn't make any difference to the CTs, but I've noticed but I'm not the
first
So essentially all data that existed on this date will need to be deleted
since we can't be sure who entered or edited it or if they have agreed to
the new license if the .odbl database is to be clean.
Cheerio John
On 14 December 2011 11:31, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at
Fascinating, I was always taught that reliability was the most important
thing to end users.
In Ottawa it looks like many footpaths, steps etc will be the big losers.
The imported road network looks fine.
So it looks like the tools and specialist maps for the disabled, ones that
make use of
What you can do is create an osm file on your local hard drive, in JOSM
download a very small area with nothing in it. New download the area you
have made edits in as a separate download.
Select on username so user:xyz
Merge the selection onto your empty map and save it locally. Then after
the
The intentions don't matter here, its to be able to defend the new
licensing / copyright in court you need to show all the content has come
from people who have accepted the new license.
Its a lawyer thing and I'm not even sure that in the US OSM has a solid
case anyway. Street names are facts
But didn't Steve whatever end up there?
Cheerio John
On 12 December 2011 11:49, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:
That looks like an exceedingly useful app. Interesting to see OSM
editing software appear on the Win Phone platform.
Does something similar exist for other platforms? I mean
I to have reservations about some Bing image imports. I helped a twelve
year old enter a footway, we carefully made a GPS trace, checked the
features page and decided it was a footway not a path, added it JOSM and
uploaded both the GPS trace and the footway under my name. Patrick was
very proud
I was at a disability unconference yesterday and since there was a slot
open I gave an off the cuff talk about OpenStreetMap, http://wheelmap.org/,
http://www.wheelchair.accessiblemaps.org/ people were suprised at how much
information was already in and the fact that OSM was available on so many
Personal view - why not just import the Canvec data?
If you use keeprite to have a qeikc look at the area
If you can make the Thursday evening session its a chance to talk to City
of Ottawa planning department etc. The speaker should be good and since
OSM is the only Ottawa map that has all the footpaths in it there is a
chance to promote OSM.
Thanks John
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Has anyone sorted out what can be done yet?
There is a gtfs file available but it appears to be under an Ottawa city
license which doesn't appear to permit importing it into OSM.
The other hassle is currently there is little consistency in things like how
the 4 digit 560 number is stored or if a
choosingourfuture.ca has been looking for ideas and running polls etc.
http://choosingourfuture.ca/get_involved/haveasay_results_en.html#P47_2075shows
the categories
http://choosingourfuture.ca/get_involved/campaign_ideas_en.html#11 shows the
most voted for water whatever was an app that showed
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