Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-06-11 Thread Simon Poole
Randy, I just want to point out that there is an existing and well established OSM-based service that already supplies worldwide boundaries in a number of formats https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries/ . Further the operator runs daily quality checks on changes in the boundaries. Simon Am

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-06-11 Thread Randy Meech
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Randy Meech randy.me...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Seattle has very defined neighborhoods and even sub-neighborhoods. The prior discussions kept us from adding the boundaries. Maybe it is

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-06-11 Thread Simon Poole
It supports at least down to level 11, simply click on the entries and it will display sub-boundaries and so on. Not that there isn't room for further parallel services, but this wasn't actually a vacuum :-). In particular anything helping improving boundaries in the US is a good thing. Simon

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-06-11 Thread Randy Meech
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: I just want to point out that there is an existing and well established OSM-based service that already supplies worldwide boundaries in a number of formats https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries/ . Yes -- unless I'm

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-25 Thread Alex Barth
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I apologize for coming in so late on this thread. Looking at my small county, we have 55 place=hamlet according to an overpass query. Note we're only talking about `place=hamlet` in urban areas. I wasn't 100 % clear

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-25 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Note we're only talking about `place=hamlet` in urban areas. I wasn't 100 % clear whether your post referred to `place=hamlet` nodes in urban areas or in general. Sorry - I missed the Urban part. The 55 are definitely not

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-22 4:00 GMT+01:00 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: At its most basic, OSM is a geospatial database. We have countries, states, counties, and cities. Why not neighborhoods. OSM tells where a feature is located. Points can only tell us how close a feature is to a node. Using nodes

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-22 4:00 GMT+01:00 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: At its most basic, OSM is a geospatial database. We have countries, states, counties, and cities. Why not neighborhoods. OSM tells where a

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-22 Thread stevea
Clifford and Serge write: Seattle has very defined neighborhoods and even sub-neighborhoods. As you imply, Seattle may be an exception (more detailed explanation below). Serge, this isn't an implication, it is stated and actual fact. ...But if we have access to administrative

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Looking at King County, especially Seattle, it appears that a number of the place=hamlet are actually neighborhoods. We have been reluctant to add neighborhood borders because of prior discussions on the mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-22 Thread stevea
In Santa Cruz county (California), each place=* tag has been carefully compared to local knowledge and a wonderful reference (book) I have called Santa Cruz County Place Names: A Geographical Dictionary by author Donald Thomas Clark, published by the Santa Cruz Historical Trust. At over 500

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/18/2015 4:20 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: Levittown, New York, for instance is a hamlet with a population of over fifty thousand. This is not a hamlet. Typically a hamlet would have less than 100-200 people. What you've described is a town or a city, this is regardless of if it has

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-19 Thread Eric Christensen
On Thursday, March 19, 2015 04:12:45 PM Clifford Snow wrote: I apologize for coming in so late on this thread. Looking at my small county, we have 55 place=hamlet according to an overpass query. (2007 for Washington State) I certainly recognize a number of these hamlets. I would hate to see

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-19 Thread Greg Morgan
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: I wouldn’t. The USPS doesn’t recognize it, so mail can not be delivered there. There are no signs either. The USPS is not an always a good choice. I did some googling to see if it is a historical name, but all the

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-19 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: Now OSM is the only map where you cannot locate Bender's Corner. It looks like it might be a nice area. http://berkeley-heights-real-estate.com/home-sales-berkeley-heights-nj-new-jersey/ 110 Diamond Hill Rd Benders

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-19 Thread Bryan Housel
OK, I’ll revert the changeset if if bothers you that much.. On Mar 20, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com mailto:br...@7thposition.com wrote: I wouldn’t. The USPS doesn’t recognize it, so

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-19 Thread Clifford Snow
I apologize for coming in so late on this thread. Looking at my small county, we have 55 place=hamlet according to an overpass query. (2007 for Washington State) I certainly recognize a number of these hamlets. I would hate to see them removed. I would like to see if any need to be updated to

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-19 Thread Bryan Housel
I wouldn’t. The USPS doesn’t recognize it, so mail can not be delivered there. There are no signs either. I did some googling to see if it is a historical name, but all the results are spam (“Best plumber in Benders Corner, NJ!”) Nobody around here knows what it is. I’m just going to remove

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-18 Thread Greg Morgan
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: My initial reaction to any automated edit is to break out in a rash. I don't have the same reaction. A long time ago I added building=entrance to buildings. That tag was deprecated in favor of entrance=* at some point.

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-18 3:48 GMT+01:00 Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com: (IMO the “Bender’s Corner” hamlet should probably just be deleted outright. I live near it and there really is no such thing.) or maybe keep it as a historical place name, something like place=locality and old_name=Bender's

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-18 3:48 GMT+01:00 Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com: (IMO the “Bender’s Corner” hamlet should probably just be deleted outright. I live near it and there really is no such thing.) or maybe keep

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-18 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Would you put bender's corner on a map today? If the barrier to cleaning is too great, not enough cleaning will happen. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-18 Thread Kevin Kenny
On 03/17/2015 05:25 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com mailto:a...@mapbox.com wrote: What do people think about how to properly retag place=hamlet in US urban areas? My colleague Eliane rendered out a map of all hamlets in urban

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-18 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/18/15 1:29 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: or maybe keep it as a historical place name, something like place=locality and old_name=Bender's Corner? I agree that this is

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-18 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Everyone, Aren't some of these hamlets still used as postal addresses? In that sense, they still exist. Also, in the West we have the phenomenon of old rail infrastructure, such as watering stations, that were named. A good example is Adamana near the Petrified Forest. There

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-18 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/18/15 2:51 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Everyone, Aren't some of these hamlets still used as postal addresses? In that sense, they still exist. Also, in the West we have the phenomenon of old rail infrastructure, such as watering stations, that were named. A good example

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread Richard Weait
My initial reaction to any automated edit is to break out in a rash. Can we use that image to promote mapping best practices? :-) Goal: A new local mapper in each BadHamlet Method: 1) Create an overlay that displays the hamlets as ugly, rash-like spots. It could even be a rash that allows

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:18 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: In some cases, these hamlets may be separate legal entities, even though surrounded by the city. For example, Davidson County, Tennessee, and the city of Nashville merged in 1963 into a shared Metropolitan

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread John F. Eldredge
In some cases, these hamlets may be separate legal entities, even though surrounded by the city. For example, Davidson County, Tennessee, and the city of Nashville merged in 1963 into a shared Metropolitan government. However, six smaller municipalities within the county chose to keep partial

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: What do people think about how to properly retag place=hamlet in US urban areas? My colleague Eliane rendered out a map of all hamlets in urban areas in the US: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/samely/diary/34541 I just

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 17, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: Brand new anonymous users come to the map every day and are confused by what these hamlets are. proof: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/163246 I kind of doubt

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread Bryan Housel
Brand new anonymous users come to the map every day and are confused by what these hamlets are. proof: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/163246 https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/163246 I kind of doubt this person is going to stick around and improve the map. To them, it just looks like

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: Brand new anonymous users come to the map every day and are confused by what these hamlets are. proof: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/163246 I kind of doubt this person is going to stick around and improve the map.

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread stevea
Outreach is awesome. Mechanical edits have their (rather limited, imho) place, but outreach is awesome. SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread John F. Eldredge
I will have to look into the details to say for sure. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. On March 17, 2015 4:29:34 PM Paul Johnson

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: My initial reaction to any automated edit is to break out in a rash. Can we use that image to promote mapping best practices? :-) Goal: A new local mapper in each BadHamlet Here's what I did with bike repair stations:

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:25 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm in favor of a bulk edit for US hamlets within city boundaries to be retagged as place=neighbourhood I generally agree with this, as a first step. Especially if there's a followup challenge of some sort to improve the

[Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-14 Thread Alex Barth
What do people think about how to properly retag place=hamlet in US urban areas? My colleague Eliane rendered out a map of all hamlets in urban areas in the US: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/samely/diary/34541 I just posted how we could fix this: