Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-23 Thread Phil! Gold
* Jack Burke burke...@gmail.com [2015-06-22 08:32 -0400]: On June 22, 2015 2:46:36 AM EDT, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: tiger:reviewed=no Most of the well reviewed Tiger I see still has this tag. People don't know to delete it. Usually I change it to =yes instead of

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-22 Thread Bryan Housel
I’m considering whether it makes sense to remove the `tiger:reviewed=no` tag when a user performs certain edits in iD. Discuss here: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2697 On Jun 22, 2015, at 2:46 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: In other words, it won't route over a

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
In other words, it won't route over a rural road tagged as highway=residential tiger:reviewed=no Most of the well reviewed Tiger I see still has this tag. People don't know to delete it. The automatic delete on edit does not apply to tiger:reviewed (it applies to a Tiger tag

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-22 Thread Jack Burke
So, just for fun, I'm going through the area you pointed out and fixing some of the roads. I'm making some of those Unclassified instead of Tertiary because they go from nowhere to nowhere, but feel free to change them. I plan on making a road trip in a few weeks, and depending on timing and

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-22 Thread Jack Burke
Usually I change it to =yes instead of just deleting it. The main reason is I frequently use ITOworld maps to review the county I live in to find unreviewed roads, and I like the color pattern better that way. -jack On June 22, 2015 2:46:36 AM EDT, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-20 Thread Russ Nelson
There's really two kinds of cycling: including trails and unpaved roads because your bicycle has nobblies and springs, and not. The first are fine with such roads, and the second very much not. I've done both types of cycling, and with high pressure narrow tyres (that's a nod to Richard, so he

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Harald Kliems wrote: Until then you could consider a user setting to avoid/not avoid unpaved roads. Unfortunately contraction hierarchies - the routing algorithm used by OSRM - don't really allow user settings. For each distinct routing profile, you need to regenerate the routing graph, which

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-19 Thread Harald Kliems
Richard, I would somewhat caution against penalizing unpaved roads too much. In many areas of the US they actually make wonderful cycling routes, whereas the paved alternatives are high traffic and unpleasant to ride on. Of course, proper smoothness tagging would help but that will be a long way

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Just as a postscript to this discussion I thought I'd cite an example area. If you look here, in Georgia: http://cycle.travel/map?lat=31.9023lon=-84.0398zoom=14 you'll see that most of the roads are unreviewed TIGER residentials. Of those, these are adjacent to each other:

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-15 Thread stevea
Paul Norman writes: The most important change is probably setting appropriate surface information. I don't know the exact secret sauce magic of cycle.travel, but surface information is very important for selecting reasonable routes on a bike - or indeed, any non-foot method of transportation.

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
SteveA wrote: Richard (Fairhurst), if cycle.travel/map's router logic is not paying attention to surface= tags, perhaps it should, as doing so truly can improve selected routes It very much does - it'll look at surface=, and failing that tracktype= or smoothness=, as one of the principal

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Minh Nguyen writes: You aren't alone. I stopped bothering with tiger:reviewed tags back in the Potlatch 1 days. It just isn't a well-designed tag: - not very discoverable to mappers who weren't around in 2008 Makes ways a sickly yellow if you edit using JOSM. - doesn't say whether

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-14 Thread stevea
Richard Fairhurst writes: Finally, many thanks to everyone who's tested it so far, particularly Steve All - your feedback was and continues to be enormously useful. Kind of you to say this, Richard. I was delighted to help test your fine bicycle router. I wish cycle.travel, and especially

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-14 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2015-06-13 17:08, Harald Kliems wrote: Very nice, Richard! One quick comment: I might not be the only who doesn't always change the tiger:reviewed tag when fixing TIGER-imported roads. I don't know if that's technically feasible, but maybe it would be better to check if a way has been

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-14 Thread Harald Kliems
Well, you've certainly motivated me to from now on always modify the tiger:reviewed tag :-) Thanks again for your efforts! On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 2:38 PM Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Harald Kliems wrote: Very nice, Richard! One quick comment: I might not be the only who

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 6/14/2015 2:24 PM, Harald Kliems wrote: Well, you've certainly motivated me to from now on always modify the tiger:reviewed tag :-) Thanks again for your efforts! The most important change is probably setting appropriate surface information. I don't know the exact secret sauce magic of

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Harald Kliems wrote: Very nice, Richard! One quick comment: I might not be the only who doesn't always change the tiger:reviewed tag when fixing TIGER-imported roads. I don't know if that's technically feasible, but maybe it would be better to check if a way has been modified since

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/13/15 2:38 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I've been finding this a really useful way of locating unreviewed TIGER and fixing it... it's actually quite addictive. :) Looking for roads which cross rivers, or with long sweeping curves, is an easy way of identifying quick wins. My modus

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-13 Thread Harald Kliems
Very nice, Richard! One quick comment: I might not be the only who doesn't always change the tiger:reviewed tag when fixing TIGER-imported roads. I don't know if that's technically feasible, but maybe it would be better to check if a way has been modified since import, independent of the

[Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hi all, At State of the Map US last weekend I was really pleased to unveil bicycle routing for the US (and Canada) at my site, cycle.travel. The planner, at http://cycle.travel/map , will plan a bike route for you between any two points - whether in the same city or on opposite sides of the