Hi Neal!
IMAP folders are refreshing properly for me now. Previously, if an
IMAP folder was not selected when TB started, it was very difficult if
not impossible to get a server connection. I will report on my IMAP
hibernation issues after more testing.
I am still not able to connect,
I'm rather dubious about Voyaer for a couple of reasons:-
a) Has ANY work been done to reduce the number of disk writes with Voyager?
USB drives (apparently) have a finite life, and the disk thrashing that
happens with TB! would do a USB drive no good whatever.
b) If the answer to a) is no not
Hallo Graham,
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:47:58 + (UTC)GMT (2-12-2005, 13:47 +0200,
where I live), you wrote:
GF What am I missing?
GF Graham
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Hallo Graham,
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:47:58 + (UTC)GMT (2-12-2005, 13:47 +0100,
where I live), you wrote:
GF b) If the answer to a) is no not really - then why bother with it. Why not
GF just put the INI file features into mainstream TB! and have this extra
GF (useful) feature in the main
Roelof Otten wrote:
For a multi user environment on one system the registry is the most
logical place to store settings per user.
Sorry but that's pure nonsense. Or you want to tell me that every OS
without a registry (= all OS exept windows) won't run properly.
My poor Linux and OS/2 ...
Graham wrote:
I'm rather dubious about Voyaer for a couple of reasons:-
--snip--
What am I missing?
It's just a bullshit reason to have another product, based on the
same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;)
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Dimitry Andric wrote:
It's just a bullshit reason to have another product, based on the
same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;)
Ah, you think, THAT's the reason there was no v4 this year? It was too
obvious so it's better to release a spin-off? ;-
Interessting thought :-D
Hello tbbeta,
I have a free fastmail account that I use for testing and about the
only thing I use it for is testing TB! with IMAP. I'm not sure which
version I was using at the time, either 3.63.05 or .06, but I
received the following from Fastmail.
Hello tbbeta,
Has anyone tried to run folder maintenance on IMAP folders in
3.63.06?
***Warning: Backup first***
I tried to do this on my IMAP accounts and it crashed. I had to
rebuild my fastmail account from scratch and delete the old one. I
unchecked Check
Stuart Cuddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] rašė:
Email address/account: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
User Bandwidth: 10003053 bytes in one hour
The only thing in this account is tbbeta and tbudl. There was about
2000 messages in it at the time and I was not sending anything that
would account for this
Hello Vilius,
Friday, December 2, 2005, 8:13:16 AM, you wrote:
VS I've reported this a while ago (see
VS http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg74834.html),
VS but nobody seem to be interested in it. As I'm using my own IMAP server
VS I forgot about it. But now, as I'm not alone
Hello Dimitry,
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:21:36 +0100 GMT (02/12/2005, 20:21 +0700 GMT),
Dimitry Andric wrote:
What am I missing?
DA It's just a bullshit reason to have another product, based on the
DA same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;)
People have been asking for a portable TB.
Hello Dimitry,
Friday, December 2, 2005, 6:21:36 AM, you wrote:
It's just a bull reason to have another product, based on the
same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;)
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Thomas Fernandez wrote:
It's just a bullshit reason to have another product, based on the
same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;)
People have been asking for a portable TB. There is a demand out
there, which is being met. It's a wise decision.
There was never any reason for The
Hello Michael,
Friday, December 2, 2005, 6:18:58 AM, you wrote:
There's no need at all for user applications to put their settings
into something like the windows registry! Configurations can easily
be put into the user's home directory as a plain text file, an ini
or for the advanced as XML.
Leif Gregory wrote:
That's part of the point. This is supposed to be a portable app. If I
want to sit down at my friend's machine, pop in my flash drive and
check my e-mail then I wouldn't have a home directory. It would get
written to the home directory of whatever user is logged in (my
Stuart,
On 02-12-2005 15:27, you [SC] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
VS I've reported this a while ago (see
VS http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg74834.html),
VS but nobody seem to be interested in it.
I don't have that problem.
Also, Curtis gave you a reason for your
Hello Dimitry,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
It's just a bullshit reason to have another product, based on the
same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;)
People have been asking for a portable TB. There is a demand out
there, which is being met. It's a wise decision.
There was never any
Hello Peter,
SC I can not find the archived message, but I hope you are right about
SC it being looked into.
Remove the trailing ) - a TB! problem.
No, it is not a TB problem. It is a user laziness problem... Put a
space after the link, and it would work. There must be rules... Next
time
Vili,
On 02-12-2005 16:40, you [V] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
V No, it is not a TB problem. It is a user laziness problem...
Can you give me a valid URL that ends with a )?
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author Peter Fjelsten /author
thebat version 3.62.12 Pro /thebat
12/2/2005 10:54 AM
Hi Dimitry,
On 12/2/2005 Dimitry Andric wrote:
Bye bye RITLabs. :)
Thank you.
--
Take Care,
Paul
The Bat! v.3.63.05 (Beta) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195
No IMAP No OTFE Opera 9 Beta 1
Current beta is
12/2/2005 10:57 AM
Hi Vili,
On 12/2/2005 Vili wrote:
V Hello Peter,
SC I can not find the archived message, but I hope you are right about
SC it being looked into.
Remove the trailing ) - a TB! problem.
V No, it is not a TB problem. It is a user laziness problem... Put a
V space after
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:01:09 -0800, you wrote:
I find that the IMAP account setting under Mail Management *When
inactive, disconnect after...* does not work. There is no *session
finished* listed in the IMAP account log. The IMAP session on the
server appears to remain active once initialized
Stuart Cuddy wrote:
Maybe if it can be tracked down this can help explain why there are
so many IMAP problems.
Any one else encounter anything like this?
I use FastMail with an enhanced account as my main IMAP provider. All my
domain and list traffic goes through it and I can't say I've
Hello Peter,
On 02-12-2005 16:40, you [V] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
V No, it is not a TB problem. It is a user laziness problem...
Can you give me a valid URL that ends with a )?
You just have to ask for it:
http://www.thebat.hu/forpeter.html)
(the bracket at the end IS a part of
Hello Peter,
V No, it is not a TB problem. It is a user laziness problem...
Can you give me a valid URL that ends with a )?
I forgot:
You just have to ask for it:
http://www.thebat.hu/forpeter.html)
(the bracket at the end IS a part of the link!!!)
You have to scroll down on that page, I
Stuart,
On 02-12-2005 15:27, you [SC] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
VS I've reported this a while ago (see
VS http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg74834.html),
VS but nobody seem to be interested in it.
I don't have that problem.
Also, Curtis gave you a reason for your
--On Wednesday, November 30, 2005 19:34 -0500 Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I did have the mail duplication problem with this TBBETA mailing list
folder of mine. However, I deleted the cache, let it rebuild and the
duplication is gone.
I tried this but the duplication issue actually got
On Friday, December 2, 2005, 11:42:20 AM, Vilius Sumskas wrote:
Also, Curtis gave you a reason for your high bandwidth usage in
http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg74852.html
No. It's not the reason. When using Outlook or Mullbery with the same IMAP
account I hardly use
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else,
on 02-Dez-2005 at 14:18 you (Michael Schneider) wrote:
There's no need at all for user applications to put their settings into
something like the windows registry!
Except that it is the way MS has designed Windows. :)
Configurations can easily be put
When using Outlook or Mullbery with the same
IMAP account I hardly use 5mb in 8 hours.
I've just done a quick, unscientific test opening the same IMAP account
in TB! and Mulberry, both with about the same number of unread messages
and reading the port upload and download toals with Port
Also, Curtis gave you a reason for your high bandwidth usage in
http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg74852.html
No. It's not the reason. When using Outlook or Mullbery with the same
IMAP
account I hardly use 5mb in 8 hours.
I have 40 folders in my IMAP account, check
Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
Configurations can easily be put into the user's home directory as a
plain text file, an ini or for the advanced as XML.
But how would the application sense oh, I'm running from a flash drive
now (which meams it should not store the settings in the user profile)
Hi Randy,
--On Friday, December 02, 2005 9:53 AM -0800 you wrote in part:
BTW, I think it might be a Cyrus vs. Courier issue. I'm using Tuffmail
who uses Cyrus and it looks like the Cyrus people are the ones seeing the
duplications.
It is not the servers. I see this on two servers, one
--On Friday, December 02, 2005 12:57 -0600 Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The problem, as it always has been (except for a few betas), is the
client, not the server.
What I mean is not that it's the server's fault, it's how The Bat! is
dealing with either one.
--
:R.
--On Wednesday, November 30, 2005 19:34 -0500 Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I did have the mail duplication problem with this TBBETA mailing list
folder of mine. However, I deleted the cache, let it rebuild and the
duplication is gone.
I tried this but the duplication issue actually got
--On Friday, December 02, 2005 21:05 +0200 Vilius Sumskas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
No, I'm using Cyrus without a problems. How many connections do you have
set in TB! to check mail?
I've tried from 1-5 with varying success. Sometimes it'll work fine for
awhile and then it'll begin to get
Hi Vilius,
You wrote:
No. It's not the reason. When using Outlook or Mullbery with the same
IMAP account I hardly use 5mb in 8 hours.
Do you have TB! to do full synchronization's with the server? If so,
then those other clients are incapable of doing such a thing. Mulberry
interacts
On Friday, December 2, 2005, 12:17:03 PM, Vilius Šumskas wrote:
I have 40 folders in my IMAP account, check regularly 4 POP
accounts, and do all my business with TB! which is open pretty much
all the time. For the month of November, I used a total of 21.9M of
bandwidth.
Do you use SSL ?
I
Hi Clive,
You wrote:
It looks as though TB's bandwidth usage is around 3-4 times that of
Mulberry. Make of that what you will.
I'm not surprised. TB!'s approach is different.
When was the last time you had used TB!?
When TB! loads, it updates the message index file for all
Hi Curtis,
You wrote:
Mulberry interacts with the server in a way that is highly
inefficient and in a way that Outlook is incapable of as well.
Please replace 'inefficient' with 'efficient'! Thanks. ;)
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Hi,
G In addition, if I use *any* other IMAP client [...]
Same here. Ironically even TheBat itself can do better: I'm
testdriving the betas on a seperate machine, but with the same
mailbase as the other machines that use v3.0.1.33. Yesterday, I tried
I have 40 folders in my IMAP account, check regularly 4 POP
accounts, and do all my business with TB! which is open pretty much
all the time. For the month of November, I used a total of 21.9M of
bandwidth.
Do you use SSL ?
I am using regular authentication (not sure what SSL is but if it
Do you have TB! to do full synchronization's with the server? If so,
then those other clients are incapable of doing such a thing. Mulberry
interacts with the server in a way that is highly inefficient and in a
way that Outlook is incapable of as well.
Yes, I have synchronization every 1
Hi Vilius,
You wrote:
Yes, I have synchronization every 1 minute. BTW, I have Outlook
configured exactly the same way. Syncronize all folder and all
messages every 1 minute.
The options look the same, but they work differently.
If you right click each of TB!'s folders you'll see
If you right click each of TB!'s folders you'll see that you can vary
how you synchronize. Which of those do you use? Does Outlook give you
those options?
I use Full Syncronization in TB! and Syncronize All Messages in Outlook on
every folder.
--
Pagarbiai,
Vilius Sumskas
LNK TV sistemu
Hi Vilius,
You wrote:
I use Full Syncronization in TB! and Syncronize All Messages in
Outlook on every folder.
So when you do this with Outlook, can you disconnect from the server at
any point and browse all messages in all folders?
--
-= Curtis =-
PGPKey:
--On 2/12/2005 14:17 -0500 Curtis wrote:
When was the last time you had used TB!?
I've been using TB and Mulberry together, really - only because I'm too
idle to synchronise my address books! So, the answer to your question is
that both progs probably have similar cached message information.
So when you do this with Outlook, can you disconnect from the server at
any point and browse all messages in all folders?
Of source. I use it like this for 3 years now.
--
Pagarbiai,
Vilius Sumskas
LNK TV sistemu administratorius
tel.: +370 614 75713
www.lnk.lt
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else,
on 02-Dez-2005 at 19:33 you (Michael Schneider) wrote:
So your question has nothing to do with what I was saying.
And what you were saying has nothing to do with Voyager. ;-)
--
Best regards,
Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981)
I
Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
So your question has nothing to do with what I was saying.
And what you were saying has nothing to do with Voyager. ;-)
*rolling eyes*
Roellof said something about local applications and their need to use
the registry. I answered him my opinion on *THAT* topic.
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else,
on 02-Dez-2005 at 21:46 you (Michael Schneider) wrote:
Roellof said something about local applications and their need to use
the registry.
You happily omitted quoting me saying that Windows was designed that way.
I assume we agree that the goal is to
On Friday, December 2, 2005, 19:13:32, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
There's no need at all for user applications to put their settings into
something like the windows registry!
Except that it is the way MS has designed Windows. :)
Maybe, but Microsoft has deprecheated the use of Registry quite a
On Friday, December 2, 2005, 22:21:57, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
Other operation systems put them into one single directory (instead of a
single file) called /etc or whatever.
That isn't true - on *nix, /etc is used for system-wide settings only
(%ALLUSERPROFILE% and HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE in
Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
MS chose to put all these configuration files into one big file called
registry from W95 on. And in the multiuser capable versions of Windows,
the user specific part of the registry (user.dat, thats where TB stores
its settings) resides in the users home directory.
Hello Jernej Simončič everyone else,
on 02-Dez-2005 at 22:41 you (Jernej Simončič) wrote:
That isn't true - on *nix, /etc is used for system-wide settings only
Whatever. I don't know the correct names. I could have written Alfred
instead of registry just as well, it makes no difference.
--
Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
Whatever. I don't know the correct names. I could have written Alfred
instead of registry just as well, it makes no difference.
That shows that you have no idea what you are talking about...
mod, close ;)
Michael
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Hello Michael Schneider everyone else,
on 02-Dez-2005 at 22:44 you (Michael Schneider) wrote:
The windows registry is slow
Things have changed dramatically since W95. Make yourself aware of how
WXP works with the registry. There a big difference to W2k and older
versions.
possibility that
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else,
on 02-Dez-2005 at 22:53 you (Michael Schneider) wrote:
That shows that you have no idea what you are talking about...
You are a very kind and friendly person, indeed.
--
Best regards,
Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981)
The first Myth
On Friday, December 2, 2005, 22:44:08, Michael Schneider wrote:
The windows registry is slow, possibility that one single application
smashes the whole thing is very high, it's hard to maintain.
Registry slow? Get RegMon from sysinternals, and look at the number of
transactions Registry
Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
Thats a common myth, and it never happened to me even once in 5 1/2 years
of using different Windows systems.
Ah and because it never happend to you it's a myth. :)
I for one have no problem to navigate regedit to HKCU/Software/RIT/TB, not
more or less than
Jernej Simončič wrote:
Registry slow? Get RegMon from sysinternals, and look at the number of
transactions Registry handles per second - (I get an average of 870 on my
computer). Now imagine that all of these were instead querying normal files
on disk - your disk cache would be trashed, and
Vili,
On 02-12-2005 18:20, you [V] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
V You just have to ask for it:
V http://www.thebat.hu/forpeter.html)
Yes but a browser might not interpret .html) as html - unless you make a
MIME type - and why would you.
V (the bracket at the end IS a part of the link!!!)
Hi Clive,
You wrote:
I've been using TB and Mulberry together, really - only because I'm
too idle to synchronise my address books! So, the answer to your
question is that both progs probably have similar cached message
information.
Even then I'd be cautious comparing the two. They
Hi Vilius,
You wrote:
Of source. I use it like this for 3 years now.
Then there's something pretty inefficient about TB!'s approach to
maintaining a full synch status.
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Hello Tbbeta,
There were opinions in the list that Voyager is another product to make money.
The users of The Bat! Professional will use Voyager with their keys of The
Bat! Pro. This means that The Bat! Pro registration is also valid for Voyager.
If you didn't use The Bat! before, you
Hello Peter,
V You just have to ask for it:
V http://www.thebat.hu/forpeter.html)
Yes but a browser might not interpret .html) as html - unless you make a
MIME type - and why would you.
...
V (the bracket at the end IS a part of the link!!!)
Yes, but since there was no comma after the
Hello Clive,
Friday, December 2, 2005, 11:07:55 AM, you wrote:
CT I use FastMail with an enhanced account as my main IMAP provider. All my
CT domain and list traffic goes through it and I can't say I've ever
CT experienced any bandwidth spikes - but there again I don't use TB!
CT overmuch these
12/2/2005 8:54 PM
Hi Maxim,
On 12/2/2005 Maxim Masiutin wrote:
MM Hello Tbbeta,
MM There were opinions in the list that Voyager is another product to make
money.
MM The users of The Bat! Professional will use Voyager with their
MM keys of The Bat! Pro. This means that The Bat! Pro
Hello Paul...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:59:43 -0500, you wrote:
Thanks Max! I hope this appropriately places a cork where needed by
those lacking objectivity. I appreciate your efforts! For seven years
TB! has done for me what no other email client is capable of doing. If
we were all perfect why
Hello tbbeta,
I just used Remove duplicates to remove the duplicated messages we
have been seeing in IMAP. I had 4 messages, all the same, and after
using Remove duplicates I had none. All removed and not to trash,
they are lost for ever.
Confirmations?
--
Stuart
Hi Vili
I am still not able to connect, refresh or syncronize IMAP after coming
out of hibernation.
It works ok here
Hmmm...What OS are you arunning on the laptop? All seems well on my
new laptop that has XP SP2 with Voyager with hibernation. I'm running
lots of different services on
Thomas and Dimitry,
What am I missing?
DA It's just a bullshit reason to have another product, based on the
DA same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;)
People have been asking for a portable TB. There is a demand out
there, which is being met. It's a wise decision.
If I could
Maxim and RIT Labs,
The users of The Bat! Professional will use Voyager with their keys
of The Bat! Pro. This means that The Bat! Pro registration is also
valid for Voyager.
WOW!! (did I say WOW!!) Unexpected and really quite generous indeed.
This puts TB! Pro on top of the heap vanlue and
Hello Neal
Friday, December 2, 2005, 6:21:36 AM, you quoted:
DA It's just a bull reason to have another product, based on the
DA same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;)
not a moderator
Note: This non-moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and
not just to the person
Hello Maxim,
Friday, December 2, 2005, 5:07:04 PM, you wrote:
The users of The Bat! Professional will use Voyager with their keys
of The Bat! Pro. This means that The Bat! Pro registration is also
valid for Voyager.
Whoo-hoo!!! You guys are great.
--
All removed and not to trash, they are lost for ever.
Confirmations?
Afraid not Stuart. Remove dupes does only that on my IMAP
mailboxes.
--
Regards,
Clive Taylor
TheBat!:3.63.06 (Beta)
Windows XP: Service Pack 2
Current beta is
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