Re: The Bat! v3.5 Final fails to install...

> Well, I tried to install The Bat! again when the final version came > out. What happened again was that the installation process stops and > I what pops up on the screen is the enclosed files It appears that there are a number of us having problems with this installer. There are a number of thre

3.5: View | Edit Shortcuts ?

Hello TB User Discussion List, Some of my shortcuts are missing since installing 3.5. The help file states that shortcuts are accessible with View | Edit Shortcuts. I cannot find this. Where is it hidden? -- Best regards, Bill 3.5 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.1 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 __

Re: Message base encryption

Hello Vili! On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 4:45 PM, you wrote: MB>> An unrelated request to you: could you change your name in the MB>> To/From field, please? It's uncomfortable addressing you as "The" > Sorry for that confusion, I will write a macro for it to exchange my > header if I write

Re: The Bat! v3.5 Final fails to install...

AJ Blisten @ 2005-May-14 5:34:47 PM "The Bat! v3.5 Final fails to install..." > (go here to look at them...: > http://home.tiscali.no/blizzard/Graphics/thebat_1.jpg and > http://home.tiscali.no/blizzard/Graphics/thebat_2.jpg ... I had the same problem. Run regedit. Then

The Bat! v3.5 Final fails to install...

Hi there, I sincerely hope that you can help me with this one. I purchased The bat! a while ago - version 3 "and something"... - and have updated it regularly (all betas and RC versions...) since then 'til version 3.5 was released. Something happened (too fast to see exactly what happened...) w

Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Threading)

> Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your > message and following it with all quoted text below, is not > encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list > because > a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the >top of the me

Re: Threading

Hello Richard, > However it would be even better to be able to assign one key stroke to > mark as read AND move to next unread message. I've tried but can't get > it to work, presumably because of key stroke conflict. I prefer to have the two keystrokes because many times I jump from unread to un

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

> You could file a bug report to start with. Don't forget to mention that > you're using IMAP, so that the POP users won't be irritated and waste their > time trying to reproduce it, otherwise the bug report may end up with a > "verify fail" status, which would be a pity, wouldn't it. Hmpf! In

Re: The Bat! v3.5 Final fails to install...

Hallo AJ, On Sat, 14 May 2005 23:49:52 +0200GMT (14-5-2005, 23:49 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AB> It seems obvious that the .msi file removed some files since I didn't find AB> the "uninstall" enty in "add/remove prgrams" or in The Bat's directory... You should have selected 'alter' for TB'

Re: The Bat! v3.5 Final fails to install...

--On 14 May 2005 23:49 +0200 AJ Blisten wrote about... The Bat! v3.5 Final fails to install...: It seems like The Bat setup file (thebat_professional.smi) are searching for a file to start the uninstall process of the old version. And when the setup file doesn't find the file it obviously need to

The Bat! v3.5 Final fails to install...

Hi there, I sincerely hope that you can help me with this one. I purchased The bat! a while ago - version 3 "and something"... - and have updated it regularly (all betas and RC versions...) since then 'til version 3.5 was released. Something happened (too fast to see exactly what happened...) w

Re: Desktop Search Tools

Hello Martin Webster on tbudl & everyone else, on 12-Mai-2005 at 21:44 you (Martin Webster on tbudl) wrote: >> You have to use the cmdline function described in the thread on Google, > I tried this but no joy. Thanks anyway. Looks like this regsvr32 commandline tries to add an entry to the TBPl

Re[2]: Message base encryption

Dear Mary, Julien, Hank, Thank you for your answers! MB> An unrelated request to you: could you change your name in the MB> To/From field, please? It's uncomfortable addressing you as "The" Sorry for that confusion, I will write a macro for it to exchange my header if I write this list.

Re: Threading

Hello MAU, On Sat, 14 May 2005 you wrote in M> I changed the shortcut for 'Mark as read' to Space and 'Move to next M> unread' to Return. However it would be even better to be able to assign one key stroke to mark as read AND move to next unread message. I've tried but ca

Re: The Bat! 3.5 Issues

On Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 10:19:58 AM [GMT -0500], Roman Katzer wrote: > Well, my comment was targeted at bugfixes, really. I didn't make that > clear. I was frustrated that features were added and bugs just not fixed > in new releases, or that people had to upgrade to a new major release to >

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hello djb & everyone else, on 14-Mai-2005 at 20:36 you (djb) wrote: >> IMAP? > POP? You could file a bug report to start with. Don't forget to mention that you're using IMAP, so that the POP users won't be irritated and waste their time trying to reproduce it, otherwise the bug report may end u

Mod: Top posting (was: Threading)

Hallo Steve, On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:37:28 +0100GMT (14-5-2005, 13:37 +0200, where I live), you wrote: SL> Hi Shefan, SL> I hope this helps. It would resolve all the threading issues at a SL> stroke now you have the improved system on v3. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all re

TheBat! 3.5 Final - Still a bug?

Hello TB List, i still have a large list of email adresses when i click on the dropdown icon for new message. Before (TheBat! 3.01) there were different folders regarding as they are in the address book. See image at: http://www.thebatworld.de/pandorasbox/abook.png Some hints? -- Ciao Thomas

Re: Threading

Hello MAU, On Sat, 14 May 2005 you wrote in M> I explained the trick in TBBeta, remember? Yes and I even parked the message. I have all my TB parked messages in a virtual folder and do normally look through them but not on this occasion. Thanks again. -- Regards, Richa

Re: Threading

Hello Steve, >> You can Customise that. I was used to using Return in VA and I have >> always used it in TB and still do > > I bet you can not remember how to set the return key to move to next > unread message! If you can please do share it as that would be > fantastic. I tried to work it ou

Re: Threading

Hello Richard, M>> I changed the shortcut for 'Mark as read' to Space and 'Move to next M>> unread' to Return. > > I should have been more specific, sorry. I can't get Space or Return to > be recognised on their own, only items that require two key strokes, > CTRL+RIGHT for example :-( I explain

Re[2]: Windows Installer

All fixed now thank you Roman. Your suggestions really helped point me in the right direction. I followed the instructions at http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;324516 -- Best wishes, Steve Lee http://jumbocruiser.com Tel +44 7768 211612 ___

Using Smiley Images [was Re: New version threading]

Hello Steve! On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 1:14 PM, you wrote, in part: > Smileys work from text handles that call images. You cannot view them in the Edit Mail Message window. To view them in View Message windows of any kind (including VFs and Browse Mail Ticker), you have to select RTV. A handy

Re: New version threading

Steve Lee @ 2005-May-14 2:14:59 PM "New version threading" > Just type the characters for it: colon, dash, and close parenthesis. :-) Press F9 to view the source of this message and you will see that the above line is nothing more than text. -- Chris Quoting when rep

Re: Windows Installer

Steve Lee @ 2005-May-14 2:25:18 PM "Windows Installer" > It was not running but trying to start it comes up with "Error 997: > Overlapped I/O operation is in progress" so it looks like a conflict > somewhere. I will try removing and reinstalling the service. I don't thin

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

> IMAP? POP? -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ The International Centre for Nonviolent Communication: http://www.cnvc.org Using V 3.5 on Windows XP Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL'

Re[2]: Windows Installer

> Sounds like that service is turned off or terminated. Can you check under Start ->> Settings -> System Settings -> Administration -> Services (freely > translating from German here). Try to see whether there's a Windows > Installer Service and whether it's running. That was a great clue. It w

Re[2]: Threading

> You can Customise that. I was used to using Return in VA and I have > always used it in TB and still do I bet you can not remember how to set the return key to move to next unread message! If you can please do share it as that would be fantastic. I tried to work it out but can not. > I als

Re[2]: New version threading

> So at least we have one channel through which to reap the > benefit of your expertise. I would not be so arrogant as to assume I had expertise but thank you for that compliment. -- Best wishes, Steve Lee http://jumbocruiser.com Tel +44 7768 211612 __

Re: Message base encryption

On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:52:16 +0200GMT (14-5-2005, 18:52 +0200, where I live), The Bat!support wrote: > If I read well, the v3.5 Professional knows to encrypt message base. I > did not find this possibility. Could you enlighten me, how can I > encrypt the message base? What I did during one of the

Re: Message base encryption

Hello The! On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 11:52 AM, you wrote: > If I read well, the v3.5 Professional knows to encrypt message base. I > did not find this possibility. Could you enlighten me, how can I > encrypt the message base? When you first install v. 3.5 Professional, you will be given an opti

Re: Message base encryption

Hi, TBs> Hi all, TBs> If I read well, the v3.5 Professional knows to encrypt message base. I TBs> did not find this possibility. Could you enlighten me, how can I TBs> encrypt the message base? This can only be done on a fresh install. Follow these steps: 1. Backup your accounts using Tools/Bac

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hello djb & everyone else, on 14-Mai-2005 at 18:32 you (djb) wrote: >> Maybe you can be a bit more precise right from the start next time. Thanks. > Simple mistake Alexander. I /was/ quite precise if you re-read my first > message. IMAP? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de -

Message base encryption

Hi all, If I read well, the v3.5 Professional knows to encrypt message base. I did not find this possibility. Could you enlighten me, how can I encrypt the message base? -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silv

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

> Just tried it: Confirmed for IMAP. Thanks Peter. The behaviour is replicated in POP accounts also ... if you have multiple 'Read' or 'Replied' filters and switch between them when focussed on the FOLDERS tab. Er, what do we do now? I guess what I want to know is whether this is just a GUI

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

> Maybe you can be a bit more precise right from the start next time. Thanks. Simple mistake Alexander. I /was/ quite precise if you re-read my first message. -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ After the USA, Australia & Norway are the world's

Re: Threading

Hello MAU, On Sat, 14 May 2005 you wrote in M> I changed the shortcut for 'Mark as read' to Space and 'Move to next M> unread' to Return. I should have been more specific, sorry. I can't get Space or Return to be recognised on their own, only items that require two key st

Re: Windows Installer

On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 07:29:25, Steve Lee wrote: > I upgraded to Windows Installer 3 and now it shows "The Windows Installer > Service could not be > accessed." Sounds like that service is turned off or terminated. Can you check under Start -> Settings -> System Settings -> Administration -

Re: The Bat! 3.5 Issues

On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 06:48:37, Allie Martin wrote: > I fully concur with this. TB! is the way it is in many ways because of > the many features I've personally seen asked for on these lists being > implemented by RIT. Well, my comment was targeted at bugfixes, really. I didn't make that cle

Re: Threading

Hello Richard, M>> I also use a Space to mark a message as read (which was default in VA). M>> So I just go Space and Return to jump to next unread. > > How do you manage that? I can't get Space on its own to work? :-( I changed the shortcut for 'Mark as read' to Space and 'Move to next unread'

Re: The Bat! 3.5 Issues

Hello Roman, > the developers saw the need for, say, a mail chat feature. In my previous reply I forgot to comment about 'mail chat'. This is just a 'side-product' of Watch folders, which is a quite useful feature when subscribed to many mailing list or newsgroups. -- Best regards, Miguel A. U

Re: Threading

Hello MAU, On Sat, 14 May 2005 you wrote in M> I also use a Space to mark a message as read (which was default in VA). M> So I just go Space and Return to jump to next unread. How do you manage that? I can't get Space on its own to work? :-( I also never use preview pane

3.5 final: "Automatic column width" still gone

Now using the 3.5 final, the option to have the list columns adjust to the listview total width is still gone... It was a checkbox on the "View Mode Setup" popups where no the "Group by Date" checkbox is sitting. Does anybody know where this option is to be found now? (No, its not the "Limit expan

Re: My personal icons have gone

Op Sat, 14 May 2005 14:44:31 +0200 schreef MAU: > It now includes the updated batskin.xml Thank you! -- Groet, Adriana [throw out the rubbish if you need to reach me by e-mail] Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silve

Re: My personal icons have gone

On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:44:41 +0200GMT (14-5-2005, 12:44 +0200, where I live), MAU wrote: Hello Mau, > I have changed my batskin.xml bitmap definitions from 0, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 > and 5 and also all the references. I can send it to you by PM if you > wish. Yes please, thank you in advance! -- che

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hello Alexander, >> Folders tab is only available for Read and Replied filters, not for >> Incoming or Outgoing. > > I see. I don't have defined such filters. :-) Apparently Folders tab is available for Incoming on IMAP accounts. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using Th

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hello djb, > Folders tab in Incoming Messages on an IMAP account Ah! OK! I have no IMAP account. I was therefore talking about POP accounts. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 |

Re: My personal icons have gone

Hello Adriana, > I would very much appreciate getting a copy as well. http://www.rancho-k.com/yellowish_icons.zip It now includes the updated batskin.xml -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hello djb & everyone else, on 14-Mai-2005 at 14:16 you (djb) wrote: > The problem is that I'm using IMAP : ) Maybe you can be a bit more precise right from the start next time. Thanks. I can't be of any further help, I'm only using POP accounts. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowe

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

djb, On 14-05-2005 12:19, you [d] wrote in : d> Can someone else confirm this? Just tried it: Confirmed for IMAP. Interestingly enough if you have "Any folder" set, it is not a problem. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.5 Pro MyGate, AVG ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (Mail

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

>> Folders tab is only available for Read and Replied filters, not for >> Incoming or Outgoing. > Well in my sorting office I have a folders tab in the 'Incoming Mail' > filters, even if I create a new one, and this is where the problem is > occurring. > (I don't want to go into my other folder

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hi Alexander, > I do see those tabs, but... I don't have a Folders tab there. Which type of > filter is this, Incoming Filter, Selective Download, Outgoing... ? > For Common Filters I have an additional "Share With" tab, but no "Folders" > tab either. The problem is that I'm using IMAP : ) POP

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hello MAU & everyone else, on 14-Mai-2005 at 14:01 you (MAU) wrote: >> Which 'folders' tab do you mean? I can't find such a thing in my sorting >> office. > Folders tab is only available for Read and Replied filters, not for > Incoming or Outgoing. I see. I don't have defined such filters. :-)

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hi MAU, > Folders tab is only available for Read and Replied filters, not for > Incoming or Outgoing. Well in my sorting office I have a folders tab in the 'Incoming Mail' filters, even if I create a new one, and this is where the problem is occurring. (I don't want to go into my other folder t

Re: The Bat! 3.5 Issues

Roman, On 14-05-2005 06:21, you [RK] wrote in : RK> That, however, has been common occurrence recently (say the last 18 RK> months). If you ask for something, as a rule, you're not going to RK> get it. That is kooky talk! A lot of small things have been improved but 3.5 ha

Re: Threading

Hello Steve, > The way we did it in VA (sorry to keep bringing that up) was to always > have the threads opened by default but use the Return key to move to > the next unread message. You can Customise that. I was used to using Return in VA and I have always used it in TB and still do :) > Unlik

Re: My personal icons have gone

Op Sat, 14 May 2005 12:44:41 +0200 schreef MAU: > I have changed my batskin.xml bitmap definitions from 0, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 > and 5 and also all the references. I can send it to you by PM if you > wish. I would very much appreciate getting a copy as well. -- Gracias, Adriana ___

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hello Alexander, >> In the Sorting Office, switching between filters while viewing the >> 'folders' tab, selected folders 'stick' between each filter. > > Which 'folders' tab do you mean? I can't find such a thing in my sorting > office. Folders tab is only available for Read and Replied filters

Re: New version threading

Hello Steve! On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 6:11 AM, you wrote: >> So, I'm glad you like it. I've just been informed, via a post on >> tbbeta, that the new beta series is already beginning. >> Come over and help us, if you want to. :) > I would love to but as with VA I never got involved with the b

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hello djb & everyone else, on 14-Mai-2005 at 13:36 you (djb) wrote: >> Which 'folders' tab do you mean? I can't find such a thing in my sorting >> office. > The one in the right-hand pane. > Click on a filter and a set of tabs appears on the right... > General|Actions|Options|Folders|Statistics

Re: Threading

Hello Steve, On Sat, 14 May 2005 you wrote in SL> Unlike in The Bat! and Outlook, the messages in VA never changed SL> status from unread to read in x seconds while reading. Instead, hitting the return SL> key to move to the next message marked it as unread. Oh yes plea

Re[2]: New version threading

> So, I'm glad you like it. I've just been informed, via a post on > tbbeta, that the new beta series is already beginning. > Come over and help us, if you want to. :) I would love to but as with VA I never got involved with the beta program because my data is too previous and I dare not risk c

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Issues

Hello Ian, Saturday, May 14, 2005, 4:26:02 AM, you wrote: IAW> It is a pity that things like this get changed. I realise that there IAW> has been a major rewrite, but the previous behaviour was there for IAW> many versions and I cannot recall anyone asking for it to be changed. Well, the problem

Windows Installer

I wonder if anyone has any ideas. I have two identical computers both running Windows 2000 SP4. One one The Bat! installs fine, on the other I installed a copy 2 weeks ago but now it does not want to know about .msi files of any make and gives error the file program.exe can not be found. I upgra

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hi Alexander, you wrote: > Which 'folders' tab do you mean? I can't find such a thing in my sorting > office. The one in the right-hand pane. Click on a filter and a set of tabs appears on the right... General|Actions|Options|Folders|Statistics a handy feature of the sorting office is that yo

Re[2]: Icons

Hello Mary, Saturday, May 14, 2005, 12:30:27 PM, you wrote: > Hello Sean! > On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 3:51 AM, you wrote: >> Can someone remind me how to get the icos for :rofl: etc > If I understand your question correctly you are referring to the set > available from Leif's PCWize website.

Re[4]: Threading

Hi Shefan, I hope this helps. It would resolve all the threading issues at a stroke now you have the improved system on v3. The way we did it in VA (sorry to keep bringing that up) was to always have the threads opened by default but use the Return key to move to the next unread message. In use

Re: Icons

Hello Sean! On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 3:51 AM, you wrote: > Can someone remind me how to get the icos for :rofl: etc If I understand your question correctly you are referring to the set available from Leif's PCWize website. Here's the URL. The icons are all displayed there, plus a download butt

Re: The Bat! 3.5 Issues

Hello Ian A. White & everyone else, on 14-Mai-2005 at 00:45 you (Ian A. White) wrote: > Firstly, is there any way that the favourites list can be shown the > way it was in the previous release? This is currently discussed on the beta list and it is regarded as a "bug" there, so hopefully it'll b

Re: 3.5 bug in sorting office?

Hello djb & everyone else, on 14-Mai-2005 at 12:19 you (djb) wrote: > In the Sorting Office, switching between filters while viewing the > 'folders' tab, selected folders 'stick' between each filter. Which 'folders' tab do you mean? I can't find such a thing in my sorting office. -- Best regar

Re: Glyphs for v3.5

Hello Mike, > I had a glyphs file I was using in 3.0.1.33 that I really liked and > would like to use for v3.5. Is there a how-to or some other > documentation that shows you how to set up glyphs for v3.5? In case it > matters, it was glyphs_tb3001.zip for The Bat! World web site. No, the new v

Re[2]: Version 3.5 not showing number of emails in folder

Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], Saturday, May 14, 2005, 4:22:59 PM, you wrote: ASK> Hello Paul Berger & everyone else, ASK> on 14-Mai-2005 at 07:36 you (Paul Berger) wrote: >> New version 3.5 is no longer showing number of emails downloaded for >> account and for each folder, nor showing number of unr

Re: The Bat! 3.5 Issues

On Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 5:41:33 AM [GMT -0500], Miguel Urech wrote: > That is simply not true Roman. Maybe you did not get what you asked for > but, as a general statement, it is not true. And I don't want to get into > a discussion about it. I fully concur with this. TB! is the way it is in

Re[3]: Threading

Hello Steve, SL> Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread SL> messages to save having to click one's way down the chain? Funny enough, I was talking about the same thing a couple of days ago. Basically, it's not a problem to expand threads automatically to make unread mess

Re: My personal icons have gone

Hello Henk, >> God bless you Marek! I have my yellowish icons back :-) > > How? I have changed my batskin.xml bitmap definitions from 0, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 and also all the references. I can send it to you by PM if you wish. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using

Re: The Bat! 3.5 Issues

Hello Roman, > If you ask for something, as a rule, you're not going to get it. That is simply not true Roman. Maybe you did not get what you asked for but, as a general statement, it is not true. And I don't want to get into a discussion about it. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial

Re: The Bat! 3.5 Issues

Hello Ian, > It is a pity that things like this get changed. I realise that there > has been a major rewrite, but the previous behaviour was there for > many versions and I cannot recall anyone asking for it to be changed. Yes, it certainly was a major re-write and, due to it, some functionality

3.5 bug in sorting office?

Can someone else confirm this? In the Sorting Office, switching between filters while viewing the 'folders' tab, selected folders 'stick' between each filter. If I have TRASH ticked in one filter, then switch to a filter immediately above or below which has just the INBOX checked, the TRASH rema

Icons

Hello tbudl, Can someone remind me how to get the icos for :rofl: etc Sean -- ICQ: 679813 YAHOO: thecivvie Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: tcobone Vodafone +353879120530 Winamp is stopped smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: Version 3.5 major bug!

Hello Allister Jenks & everyone else, on 14-Mai-2005 at 10:30 you (Allister Jenks) wrote: > I refer to a TB! administrator account. OK. I just set one of my accounts to "user" without any further priviledges. I could send a new message just fine. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurow

Re: Version 3.5 major bug!

Saturday, May 14, 2005, 8:01:28 PM, Alexander wrote: ASK> Hello Allister Jenks & everyone else, ASK> on 14-Mai-2005 at 09:08 you (Allister Jenks) wrote: >> If I log on as anything other than an administrator account I cannot >> create new emails. This includes reply and forwarding. ASK> I cann

Could it be possible to ...

Hi, Could it be possible to include on the The Bat! download page all the related stuffs like : - links to download sounds for tb, - token manager for the use of otfe, - related dlls for the use of biometric authentiication, - help file, And perhaps I forget other ones ... complete the

Re: Version 3.5 major bug!

Hello Allister Jenks & everyone else, on 14-Mai-2005 at 09:08 you (Allister Jenks) wrote: > If I log on as anything other than an administrator account I cannot > create new emails. This includes reply and forwarding. I cannot reproduce that. Sounds more like an access problem to the mail folde

Version 3.5 major bug!

Hello TBUDLers, Reported as #4639 ( https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4639 ). If I log on as anything other than an administrator account I cannot create new emails. This includes reply and forwarding. This is pretty serious! (Marck, Windows won't let TB! function properly. ;-) ) I d