Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-12 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas, On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 at 23:05:44[GMT +0700](which was 17:05 where I live) you wrote: TF If you are talking about addressbook groups, I suspect you may have TF your own address in that group too. So when you send a message to the TF whole group, you'll get it as an incoming mail, of

Re[4]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-10 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Scott, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at22:53:39[GMT -0500](which was 04:53 where I live) you wrote: SM If it's not a mailing list, then it doesn't really make sense, unless SM you have (had) some kind of configuration problem where TB! thought that the SM inbox folder was the Sent Mail folder. I

Re[6]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-10 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Scott, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at21:53:39[GMT -0500](which was 03:53 where I live) you wrote: MW Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? RW Well some of my mail (most if it actually) comes to the inbox anyway RW so why doesn't it all so that it can all automatically get threaded?

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-10 Thread Thomas F.
Hello Richard, On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:11:04 +0100 GMT (10/10/02, 16:11 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: SM If it's not a mailing list, then it doesn't really make sense, SM unless you have (had) some kind of configuration problem where SM TB! thought that the inbox folder was the Sent Mail

Re[6]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Scott, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at21:53:39[GMT -0500](which was 03:53 where I live) you wrote: SM I suspect that you're confusing messages for a mailing list and normal SM non-list messages. SM When you send a normal (non-list) message, TB sends the email, then SM plops it into the

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at11:31:35[GMT +0700](which was 05:31 where I live) you wrote: RW Even more baffled. So, if I send a mail to someone who is not in my RW address book or on a mailing list, I have to CC it to myself to get a RW copy? TF It has nothing to do with your

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Marcus Ohlstrm
On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 08:25, Richard Wakeford wrote: Until yesterday all my sent mail came back to the Inbox without a CC or rule. Could it be your ISP automatically adding a BCC to you on every mail you send? Ask them! -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Gerard
ON Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 8:19:34 AM, you wrote: RW Hello Marck, RW Then some messages started not showing up in the Inbox or the other RW reader and I'm now told, obviously correctly, that I have to put a RW rule in the Outbox redirecting my mail to the Inbox so that it can RW be

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread myob
Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 8:22:54 AM, you wrote: MO On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 08:25, Richard Wakeford wrote: Until yesterday all my sent mail came back to the Inbox without a CC or rule. MO Could it be your ISP automatically adding a BCC to you on every mail you MO send? Ask them!

Re[3]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello myob, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at14:54:54[GMT +0100](which was 14:54 where I live) you wrote: MO Could it be your ISP automatically adding a BCC to you on every mail you MO send? Ask them! m IIRC, Richard, that's what CIX/Ameol does. Yes it does but I was still getting mail in my TB inbox

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Gerard, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at09:42:44[GMT +0200](which was 08:42 where I live) you wrote: RW Then some messages started not showing up in the Inbox or the other RW reader and I'm now told, obviously correctly, that I have to put a RW rule in the Outbox redirecting my mail to the Inbox so

Re[3]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Scott McNay
Hi, Richard! Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 1:28:02 AM, you wrote: RW Hello Thomas, RW Ah, all my questions being gradually answered apart from why messages RW originally went to the inbox without a CC and now don't but I will RW amend my rules so that outgoing messages go straight to the

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at11:43:36[GMT +0700](which was 05:43 where I live) you wrote: TF I filter mailing lists only at incoming time. Outgoing filters are TF important for normal mail, where your sent message doesn't come back TF to you. Oh, I thought *all* mail comes back to me, at

Re[4]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Scott, On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 at21:29:53[GMT -0500](which was 03:29 where I live) you wrote: RW Yes I have but it's all far too complicated and for me and leaves me RW half way down page one! SM What are you still having trouble with? I'm trying to figure out SM regular expressions

Re[5]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Scott McNay
Hi, Richard! Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 2:12:30 AM, you wrote: RW It's not that I'm having trouble with it because I don't think, in my RW situation, I shall ever need such complicated rules. I just wish that RW the more simple rules could be explained to remove any un clearness or RW

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Thomas F.
Hello Richard, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:07:05 +0100 GMT (08/10/02, 14:07 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: RW Oh, I thought *all* mail comes back to me, at least mine does (I RW think). Do you mean by normal mail that is not in the address RW book? No, I mean a mail that I sent just to a

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at22:40:47[GMT +0700](which was 16:40 where I live) you wrote: TF No, I mean a mail that I sent just to a recipient, not to a list. For TF example if I send a message directly to your address. It will not come TF back to me, unless I include my own address as

Re[3]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- I got lost somewhere in the circular logic here, but... The messages you send out end up in your Sent Mail folder. Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? If so, then, yes, you need to CC or BCC yourself. If you're just wanting confirmation that the message you sent got to

Re[4]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Mark, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at14:28:11[GMT -0700](which was 22:28 where I live) you wrote: MW I got lost somewhere in the circular logic here, but... You're lost!! :-) MW The messages you send out end up in your Sent Mail folder. That doesn't mean they reach their destination though. I've

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Richard, @8-Oct-2002, 22:54 Richard Wakeford [RW] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MW Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? RW Well some of my mail (most if it actually) comes to the inbox RW anyway so why

Re[5]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 2:54:08 PM, you wrote: MW Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? RW Well some of my mail (most if it actually) comes to the inbox anyway RW so why doesn't it all so that it can all automatically get threaded? If your outgoing mail ends up in

Re[5]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Scott McNay
Hi, Richard! Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 4:54:08 PM, you wrote: MW The messages you send out end up in your Sent Mail folder. RW That doesn't mean they reach their destination though. I've had 3 RW messages in the last 24 hours that have just disappeared even though RW they are shown as sent in

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Thomas F.
Hello Richard, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:44:11 +0100 GMT (09/10/02, 03:44 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: TF No, I mean a mail that I sent just to a recipient, not to a list. For TF example if I send a message directly to your address. It will not come TF back to me, unless I include my own

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Marck, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at02:37:59[GMT +0100](which was 02:37 where I live) you wrote: MW Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? RW Well some of my mail (most if it actually) comes to the inbox RW anyway so why doesn't it all so that it can all automatically RW get

Re[6]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Mark, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at19:37:27[GMT -0700](which was 03:37 where I live) you wrote: MW Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? RW Well some of my mail (most if it actually) comes to the inbox anyway RW so why doesn't it all so that it can all automatically get threaded?

Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Richard Wakeford
Well, I set up a filter for a mail group as described earlier and only half the group messages make it to the relevant folder, the rest stay obstinately in the inbox :-( I have the rule adressees are sender to group . Also how do I get my replies to messages from that group to go into the

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Gerard
ON Monday, October 7, 2002, 5:46:12 PM, you wrote: RW Well, RW I set up a filter for a mail group as described earlier and only half RW the group messages make it to the relevant folder, the rest stay RW obstinately in the inbox :-( RW I have the rule adressees are sender to group . Hi

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Thomas F.
Hello Richard, On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:46:12 +0100 GMT (07/10/02, 22:46 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: RW I set up a filter for a mail group as described earlier and only half RW the group messages make it to the relevant folder, the rest stay RW obstinately in the inbox :-( RW I have the

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- I think one of the main things that people trip over is that the strings in the Filtering strings box are treated as AND clauses rather than OR clauses. In other words, if you have more than one line in the Filtering strings box, then *both* of those cases have to be true in order for

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Mark, On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 at12:12:36[GMT -0700](which was 20:12 where I live) you wrote: MW I think one of the main things that people trip over is that the MW strings in the Filtering strings box are treated as AND clauses MW rather than OR clauses. In other words, if you have more than

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Gerard, On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 at19:14:54[GMT +0200](which was 18:14 where I live) you wrote: G - You need to determine a UNIQUE filtering characteristic that does not G change over time. G The simplest being the email address a person. I thought I had but I've been told one answer, the

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at01:35:27[GMT +0700](which was 19:35 where I live) you wrote: TF Check whether this is always true. Is sender the group? I believe in TF this group, it isn't. Now you've got me thinking. As my name is not in the group or the address book I assumed sender was

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Richard, On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 at 16:46:12 [GMT +0100], you wrote: RW After reading all the FAQ and help files Just wanted to check. Have you read: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/filtering.shtml Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Leif, On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 at20:00:27[GMT -0600](which was 03:00 where I live) you wrote: LG Just wanted to check. Have you read: LG http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/filtering.shtml Yes I have but it's all far too complicated and for me and leaves me half way down page one! -- Best

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Thomas F.
Hello Richard, On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:25:28 +0100 GMT (08/10/02, 04:25 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: TF Check whether this is always true. Is sender the group? I believe in TF this group, it isn't. RW Now you've got me thinking. As my name is not in the group or the RW address book I