Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-02 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Steve, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1 Oct 2003 11:48:51 (my local time 17:48:51), you typed: KE>> selecting your text, press "f4" and you're in the message editor with KE>> the text you selected as quoted text. SMS> What a cool feat

Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 17:48:51, Steve M. Sawczyn wrote: > What a cool feature!!! Only problem is, how can I copy more text from > the original message? Every day I learn something new about TB, > truely an amazing program. Use Shift+Tab when you're in the message body, and focus should

Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Steve, On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:48:51 -0400GMT (1-10-03, 17:48 +0200, where I live), you wrote: KE>> After selecting your text, press "f4" and you're in the message KE>> editor with the text you selected as quoted text. SMS> What a cool feature!!! Only problem is, how can I copy more text fr

Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Steve M. Sawczyn
Hello Krister, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 11:50:47 AM, you wrote: KE> A note to our screen reader using friends, a way of trimming the reply KE> is that when you read the message, you can actually select text rather KE> like in a word processor, ie by using the shift key in conjunction KE> with

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1 Oct 2003 13:35:15 (my local time 14:35:15), you typed: AH> When you AH> spoke of TB not speaking in the message list view, I was wondering AH> whether you had the same issue. I had it whe

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Krister, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 9:33:54 AM, you wrote: KE> Hi Andrew, KE> In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE> On 30 Sep 2003 23:39:42 (my local time 1 okt 2003 00:39:42), you KE> typed: AH>> If I get the following: AH>> Subject Author AH>> Test Message And

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 23:39:42 (my local time 1 okt 2003 00:39:42), you typed: AH> If I get the following: AH> Subject Author AH> Test Message Andrew Hodgson AH> Test Message Another

Re[3]: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Chris G
*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 10/1/2003 at 4:42 AM Pranav Lal wrote: >Have you tried reclassifying the folder list? Yes, and it didn't work. made it worse. Chris Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.s

Mod: Top posting (was: Screen readers and TheBat)

2003-09-30 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Pranav, @01-Oct-2003, 04:42 +0530 (00:12 UK time) Pranav Lal said: > Have you tried reclassifying the folder list? Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel si

Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Pranav Lal
Have you tried reclassifying the folder list? Pranav At 11:30 PM 9/30/2003, you wrote: is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view. sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages winow-eyes can't read the entire line, or it skipps over name/subject. or

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 7:00:13 PM, you wrote: CG> is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view. CG> sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages CG> winow-eyes can't read the entire line, or it skipps over CG> name/subject. or some

Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Chris G
is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view. sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages winow-eyes can't read the entire line, or it skipps over name/subject. or something, it's not usable. i have the bat on my lap top where this is an issue. on my

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 4:51:22 PM, you wrote: TF> Hello Andrew, TF> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 +0100 GMT (30/09/2003, 18:28 +0700 GMT), TF> Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate, >> because when you press the down arrow

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krister, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:42:05 +0200 GMT (30/09/2003, 22:42 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Ok, i see where you're coming from there. Yes, that would definitely > be nice. I guess to leave a bug report, i'll have to sign up for an > account in the bug tracker, but if Thomas F st

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 10:47:53 (my local time 16:47:53), you typed: CG> i also don't like the change in the bat 2 when i press delete in a message CG> window it doesn't close the window and move back to the

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 +0100 GMT (30/09/2003, 18:28 +0700 GMT), Andrew Hodgson wrote: > the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate, > because when you press the down arrow it moves the whole screen down > instead of the cursor, this is known to screen rea

Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Leif, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 08:50:08 (my local time 16:50:08), you typed: LG> Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original LG> text as possible in your replies so that your response is tar

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 15:41:34 (my local time 16:41:34), you typed: KE>> Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where KE>> the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the "vi

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 3:47:53 PM, you wrote: CG> i've also found that the spell check alt-c for the shortcut doesn't work also. CG> one needs to tab through and press space on the change button and it'll chang Thanks - its not just my system then. I find it hard to

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:47:53 AM, you wrote: CG> sometimes when pressing enter on a message the message will not CG> read. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this rep

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Andrew, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:41:34 AM, you wrote: AH> The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space AH> on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c, AH> which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I AH> can see it doesn'

Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Chris G
Hello Andrew, i've found that using the bat 2.0 with another screenr eader, sometimes when pressing enter on a message the message will not read. the text is there, but it doesn't read. i also don't like the change in the bat 2 when i press delete in a message window it doesn't close the window

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Krister, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:05:49 PM, you wrote: KE> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- KE> Hash: SHA1 KE> Hi Andrew, KE> In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE> On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 (my local time 13:28:09), you typed: AH>> Two other problems I have are that the

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 (my local time 13:28:09), you typed: AH> Two other problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is AH> not accessible to me at any rate, because when you pre

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Krister, Sunday, September 28, 2003, 12:15:23 PM, you wrote: KE> Hi Andrew, KE> In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE> On 27 Sep 2003 11:51:38 (my local time 12:51:38), you typed: AH>> example, on two messages next to each other in the message view AH>> window, with the

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-28 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krister, On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:02:23 +0200 GMT (28/09/2003, 18:02 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint to the dialogs where >>> the problems are most significant, but that's my opinion. TF>> I will give them quite a number of examples. >

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-28 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 27 Sep 2003 11:51:38 (my local time 12:51:38), you typed: AH> example, on two messages next to each other in the message view AH> window, with the same author and subject, I will not he

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-28 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 27 Sep 2003 18:46:47 (my local time 13:46:47), you typed: >> I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint to the dialogs where >> the problems are most significant, but that's my opinion. TF>

Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-27 Thread Steve M. Sawczyn
Hello Claude, Thursday, September 25, 2003, 3:33:56 PM, you wrote: PL>> Hi all, PL>> Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL>> (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) PL>> with TheBat? CR> Personally I used to work with Jaws and nextly

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-27 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krister, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:51:19 +0200 GMT (27/09/2003, 15:51 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: TF>> I will just put in the bug report that "tab" doesn't do what it TF>> should, and they should review all of the dialogs. Will that be OK? - > I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-27 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Krister et al, Saturday, September 27, 2003, 9:51:19 AM, you wrote: [snip previous message as it is not relevant to the point I am raising] Another issue I have found is that certainly in Jaws if a message that you delete has a particular subject/author combination, and th

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-27 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi Thomas, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 26 Sep 2003 23:29:55 (my local time 18:29:55), you typed: >> This is also true when making an auto-reply. Only the check box is >> visible and then you'll have to fiddle around with the mouse a bit to >> fin

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew, On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:46:30 +0100 GMT (27/09/2003, 00:46 +0700 GMT), Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Not just Jaws but any new windows screen reader. This is called MS > Active Accessability (MSAA), and is how we generally read web pages. I know this was posted before, but do you ha

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-26 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Thomas, Friday, September 26, 2003, 5:29:55 PM, you wrote: [...]>> trainable in Jaws by labeling the graphics for checked and unchecked. TF> Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty TF> unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which TF> do

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krister, On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:49:15 +0200 GMT (26/09/2003, 15:49 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: TF>> Also, if you [X] Add to Addressgroup, the Group Selector can only be TF>> reached with the mouse, and also only if you have labeled the graphic TF>> first. And then you have to hit tab

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-26 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 26 Sep 2003 10:37:19 (my local time 05:37:19), you typed: TF> Also, if you [X] Add to Addressgroup, the Group Selector can only be TF> reached with the mouse, and also only if you have labeled the

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Pranav, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:30:31 +0530 GMT (25/09/2003, 16:00 +0700 GMT), Pranav Lal wrote: > How do I disable the HTML viewer? Options / Preferences / Viewer/Editor. Ups, another dialog in which tabbing goes crisscrossing over the whole screen. Will add that to the list. But there ar

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Pranav Lal
Hi Andrew, How do I disable the HTML viewer? Pranav Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Claude, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:33:56 +0200 GMT (26/09/2003, 02:33 +0700 GMT), Claude Renaud wrote: > But I'm not totally aggree with Thomas Fernandez when he said > that jaws works perfectly with the bat!. Not perfectly, but pretty well. Here are the suggestions for TB that I have compiled

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Claude Renaud
Hi Pranav, Le jeudi 25 septembre 2003 à 00:55:11, vous écriviez : PL> Hi all, PL> Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL> (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) PL> with TheBat? Personally I used to work with Jaws and nextly I wi

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krister, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:56:50 +0200 GMT (25/09/2003, 14:56 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: > I have used TB with both Jaws for Windows and Hal 5.21. For the latter > screen reader there's even a map (script or set) file provided. Good to know about the scripts for Hal. For Jaws

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Pranav, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 25 Sep 2003 04:25:11 (my local time 00:55:11), you typed: PL> Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL> (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Pranav, Thursday, September 25, 2003, 7:50:26 AM, you wrote: PL> Hi Thomas, PL> This is very encouraging. Thus far, I have not had any access issues. I was PL> wondering if there were any settings that I should set to ensure the best PL> operation with a screen reader? The only other

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Pranav Lal
Hi Thomas, This is very encouraging. Thus far, I have not had any access issues. I was wondering if there were any settings that I should set to ensure the best operation with a screen reader? For a start, I have disabled the email ticker. I am using JFW v4.51.119. Pranav ___

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-24 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Pranav, Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 11:55:11 PM, you wrote: PL> Hi all, PL> Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL> (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) PL> with TheBat? Yes! I am using Jaws 4.51 from www.freedomscientifi

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Pranav, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:25:11 +0530 GMT (25/09/2003, 05:55 +0700 GMT), Pranav Lal wrote: > Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows > (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes > (http://www.gwmicro.com) with TheBat? Several people are. I know that TB works ve

Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-24 Thread Pranav Lal
Hi all, Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) with TheBat? Pranav Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/theb