[Texascavers] [ICS] [Driver's Still Needed!]

2009-07-13 Thread Don Arburn
https://webspace.utexas.edu/ascott65/www/icsdrivers.htm --- Don Arburn Transportation Coordinator 2009 15th Annual International Congress of Speleology NSS #56822RL Mobile #361-362-3677 donarb...@mac.com - Visit our website:

texascavers Digest 13 Jul 2009 12:45:24 -0000 Issue 795

2009-07-13 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 13 Jul 2009 12:45:24 - Issue 795 Topics (messages 11265 through 11288): Mexico builds border wall to keep out American A**s 11265 by: Frank Binney Re: 15th ICS � New sponsor and other news 11266 by: Mixon Bill ICS 11267 by: Denise P

[Texascavers] observations at Saturday work project

2009-07-13 Thread David
I spent most of the day Sunday with about a dozen other volunteers, trying to get the camp showers working. I don't know what all took place Saturday, so somebody else can tell that story. It looked like to me that Bob Cowell and Rick Corbell had done a ton of work. But other cavers chipped

[Texascavers] caves in the news

2009-07-13 Thread David
Here is a story about a mountain-climber that waited in a cave entrance for 5 days for a storm to let up so that he could be rescued. ( It does not sound like a snow cave, but a natural cave ) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531531,00.html Does the cave have a name ?

[Texascavers] camp showers - part 2

2009-07-13 Thread David
I left some names of the helpers off my last post. One of them was Sara Ranzau. Also, the camp shower walls on the outside and the inside are made of black plastic wrap which was stapled to the studs of the structure and covered with wood strips and stapled again to help reinforce the plastic.

[Texascavers] 2 cicada stories

2009-07-13 Thread Gill Edigar
1) During the great 17-Locust (actually Cicadas as pointed out in the earlier post) Infestation in (I think) 2006 up in the northeastern states I had stopped my train at a red signal to await the passing of another train. Whilst I was engaged in waiting several cicadas (they are about 1/2 the size

texascavers Digest 13 Jul 2009 14:46:58 -0000 Issue 796

2009-07-13 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 13 Jul 2009 14:46:58 - Issue 796 Topics (messages 11289 through 11297): Re: ICS 11289 by: Travis Scott 11290 by: Matt Turner 11294 by: Geary Schindel 11295 by: Matt Turner 11297 by: Geary Schindel Ediger's observation on failure to

[Texascavers] Robbins-Lewis Pavilion

2009-07-13 Thread David
The pavilion on campus is the best venue I have seen at any of the 8 NSS Conventions that I have attended for parties and music. Here is a video showing what the sound might be like.Maybe not a good example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwB8BYB_I_A Here is a funny example:

[Texascavers] Ediger's observation on failure to observe

2009-07-13 Thread Gill Edigar
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:10 AM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: It was hot.But there was a nice breeze. There was a large metal framed-tarp set up over the shower structure, that provided some relief from the heat, but it blew away while everybody was gone to lunch. There seems

Re: [Texascavers] Ediger's observation on failure to observe

2009-07-13 Thread wa5pok
There seems to be some sort of an inherent lack of understanding regarding the requirement to stake tents securely to the ground AS SOON AS they are erected--not 10 minutes or an hour later. ...especially when there was a nice breeze blowing. Remember that ships sailed across the ocean with

Re: [Texascavers] Ediger's observation on failure to observe

2009-07-13 Thread Bill Bentley
Not you meaning Galle? Bill - Original Message - From: wa5...@peoplepc.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Ediger's observation on failure to observe There seems to be some sort of an inherent lack of understanding

[Texascavers] caving trips start Sunday at ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Mixon Bill
Begin forwarded message: From: ICS 2009 eList secret...@ics2009.us List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: July 13, 2009 11:02:34 AM CDT To: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu Subject: 15th ICS - caving trips start Sunday Dear Friends, Many of you want to go caving during the 15th International

Re: [Texascavers] ICS volunteers

2009-07-13 Thread philipmoss
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:00:31 -0500 Simon Newton csnew...@gmail.com writes: I believe the mileage is tax deductible, since they have non-profit designation. Doesn't help you much if you don't do itemized taxes though. (BTW - you can probably recover mileage on your taxes from some of your

Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Schreiner campus related

2009-07-13 Thread bcow911
---BeginMessage--- I can't post to the list from my PDA so one of you needs to forward this message. Bob is right. We do not have access to the courts in the new building, the Mountaineer Center. We do have access to the outside tennis courts and swimming pool. George --Original

[Texascavers] Re: ICS Stuffing Party Reminder, San Antonio, July 14-15

2009-07-13 Thread ellie :)
OH! Please come at 6pm. If you can come earlier, please email me with your ETA. I will not be at the house until 6pm but there will be others setting up and manning the base. Ellie On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:22 PM, ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Texas Cavers near and far, Come one

RE: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Linda Palit
ICS is a big event, and much labor is required. This last week is a bit stressful for some doing the planning and details. And it is especially stressful when there is not enough help for some of the tasks. All help is appreciated. Some people can volunteer more. Some people can pay

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Travis Scott
Everyone, just to make it clear and ease any unnecessary frustration, the volunteers that are using this "special registration" are only allowed to assist in leading trips, or whatever they have volunteered to do. They do not get to go to the parties, talks, and other events that the paying

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Matt Turner
Everyone, To put a face to the nameless freeriders, I will say I am one of them. Though as Travis pointed out I don't get the fun that comes with registering. Here's what we get for our Freeride. Me and my co-trip lead will get the lovely opportunity to get to ICS on Saturday to have a cave

RE: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Geary Schindel
Matt, Aren't you paying with your gas money to drive to and from AM and the convention all for the privilege of taking a bunch of folks caving in caves you're already seen. Anyway, thanks for your hard work. Geary From: Matt Turner [mailto:kat...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:56

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Matt Turner
Well sorta, I'm only coming from Austin. Though we do have a lot of ASS helping out too and making this possible. Thanks for the note, Matt Turner It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Empty pockets never held anyone

RE: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Geary Schindel
Matt, We’ll, Austin, AM, there pretty much the same schools – LOL’s. Anyway, you and many other volunteers are donating their time and money to really make this a success. I’m sorry you won’t be able to attend. I was only able to attend the 1980 ICS in Bowling Green on the first weekend so

RE: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Simon Newton
I believe the mileage is tax deductible, since they have non-profit designation. Doesn't help you much if you don't do itemized taxes though. (BTW - you can probably recover mileage on your taxes from some of your volunteer cave projects) I agree with others though - it would have been good to

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Gill Edigar
The point is still that nobody (well, nearly nobody) can get a free ride for an event like this, no matter how much they volunteer. The meeting of financial obligations requires that money be collected from all who officially register for the event--again, no matter how much time and effort they

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:00:31 -0500 csnew...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with others though - it would have been good to offer discounts or a free pass to the volunteers. If it's any consolation, I am getting 2 free t-shirts for volunteering ;) -- Lyndon Tiu

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread caverarch
Lyndon, You deserve them! ?My knee injury, etc., has restricted volunterring to one day (yesterday, with you and the rest of the sign-making crew) and I'm getting one shirt. ?It hardly seems fair! Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca To:

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Jon
So how much time should a volunteer put in to get a free pass? One day work?  But want about those that have worked for a week? But then there is the person that did help that afternoon with all that tot-and-carry. shouldn't they also get a free pass?  Or maybe if you are just an officer like a

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Don Arburn
Volunteers get to say they did. I'm good with that. On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Jon wrote: So how much time should a volunteer put in to get a free pass? One day work? But want about those that have worked for a week? But then there is the person that did help that afternoon with all that

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Don Arburn
What golf cart? On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: I'm doing it for the golf cart! On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: Volunteers get to say they did. I'm good with that. On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Jon wrote: So how much time should a

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Lyndon Tiu
Don Arburn wrote: Volunteers get to say they did. I'm good with that. I volunteered to pick up cute caver chicks. I could do that in the golf cart. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe,

RE: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Linda Palit
Cute caver chicks don't play golf. They also don't cluck. -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:48 PM To: TSA Cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Don Arburn wrote: Volunteers get to say they did. I'm good with that. I

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Sure they do Linda, you just gotta talk or rub them the right way :) On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Linda Palitlkpa...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Cute caver chicks don't play golf.  They also don't cluck. -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Monday, July

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Don Arburn
What Golf Cart? On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:47 PM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Don Arburn wrote: Volunteers get to say they did. I'm good with that. I volunteered to pick up cute caver chicks. I could do that in the golf cart. -- Lyndon Tiu

[Texascavers] personnel registration at ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Mixon Bill
For whatever it's worth, the rule at NSS conventions has always been that all workers for the vendors have to be registered. Most of them spend the whole convention (at least daytimes) in their rooms selling stuff. -- Mixon One can live down anything

Fwd: [Texascavers] personnel registration at ICS

2009-07-13 Thread Mixon Bill
Forwarded by Mixon. I have no objection to allowing volunteers who guide cave trips or drive vans and do nothing else to not have to pay to register. Vendor personnel are there for the entire time. Begin forwarded message: From: gv...@warpdriveonline.com List-Post:

[Texascavers] Volunteerism

2009-07-13 Thread Bill Stephens
I for one am pleased to have the opportunity to contribute my time to this event.

[Texascavers] the loud campground

2009-07-13 Thread David
Sunday was my first chance to get a good look at the loud campground. Unless, you really need to have a quiet camp, this seems like the best place to camp on the campus. There are lots of big shade trees. However, they are along the creek banks and on an incline, so flat shaded area big

Re: [Texascavers] the loud campground

2009-07-13 Thread Andy Zenker
David writes, The locust are making their summer sound.    That may be something unique to our guest from out of state. Do you really mean Cicada? I know folks say locust, but it always 'bugs' me.  LOL  :) From Wiki:  A cicada (pronounced /sɪˈkeɪdə/) is an insect of the order Hemiptera,

Re: Re: [Texascavers] the loud campground

2009-07-13 Thread tbsamsel
They don't taste like "chicken". TJul 13, 2009 07:12:42 AM, andyzen...@yahoo.com wrote: David writes, "The locust are making their summer sound. That may be somethingunique to our guest from out of state."Do you really mean Cicada?I know folks say locust, but it always 'bugs' me. LOL

Re: [Texascavers] the loud campground

2009-07-13 Thread Quinta Wilkinson
And a lot of us remember going to sleep in the back yard as a child with cicada music! I know I was catching fireflies and hearing that at age 5. Quinta Do you really mean Cicada? I know folks say locust, but it always 'bugs' me. LOL :) From Wiki: A cicada (pronounced /sɪˈkeɪdə/) is an

[Texascavers] new in AMCS catalog

2009-07-13 Thread Mixon Bill
The Association for Mexican Cave Studies has added two things to its catalog: Death Coral Caver #14 is a revival of the magazine of the Proyecto Espeleológico Purificación. The new issue has 44 pages and is $5. Previous issues (1-13, 1991-2003) are still available for $2 each. Bill

[ot_caving] Re: computer question

2009-07-13 Thread Mike Flannigan
Those fans need to be replaced ever so often. When they starting making noise, that is a good time to replace them. The cost is usually $6 - $18. It's best not to buy the cheap ones. I've never replaced one on the CPU, but I've replaced the one on the case 3-4 times. Usually I have to get

Re: [ot_caving] Re: computer question

2009-07-13 Thread Don Cooper
You can usually find one that advertises that it contains bearings. Buy that. Otherwise you'll get something that relies on a tiny plastic bushing - guaranteed to wear out in a full year of continuous operation. (NOT FOR SERVERS!) Most either have a two pin connector to plug directly into the