[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

I totally agree. Deeper functioning of TW is quite hard to grasp. The Dummies books understand that detailed, concrete, examples are essential for non-programmers to be able to grasp what the hell is going on. Eric Shulman tried to raise money to be freed to do something like that. I don't thin

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

So to be clear you want a book, or a wiki on tiddlyspot that gives step by step instructions on how to "use" TiddlyWiki. One of the difficulties in this is the term "use" which implies use-cases for the product. I've had conversations with a number of people who use TiddlyWiki, folks seem to ha

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

c pa There are at least two answers to you question. I think you are RIGHT in highlighting that many, many people ARE using TW out-of-the-box very happily. The trouble seems to come when folks see the endless possibilities of the product... I am not sure its a problem. But its not well addre

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

I suppose Eric might have something to say on this topic!! On Tuesday, 7 June 2016 00:39:12 UTC+10, madscijr wrote: > > Just sayin'. I would find it useful, if only the way the Dummies books > are structured. > Maybe dedicate half the book to TW Classic and half to TW 5? > > -- You received

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

That's a nice outline. Makes me wonder if what's really wanted is a TW cookbook. Mark. On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 11:22:52 AM UTC-7, c pa wrote: > > So to be clear you want a book, or a wiki on tiddlyspot that gives step by > step instructions on how to "use" TiddlyWiki. One of the difficulties

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

c pa, I agree with Mark S - nice outline! (surely too well formulated to have been improvised just now, right!?) A topic missing is IMO how to modify layout and appearance, i.e beyond Controlpanel stuff, like changing the page layout or adding page elements. Maybe it belongs under "Things tha

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

For Dummies, eh? Therefore some dumm questions What is a data dictionary? What is json? What is a macro? What is a widget? What's this "$"sign for Pete's sake? What is a state tiddler? What is a temp tiddler? There should be a part of the book that explains things like that before people must mak

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

A collaborative users guide is sort of what the various reference sites are now. We don't have any central editor though, which would help. Feel free to take anything from http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com or any of my other sites that you find useful. -- You received this message because you a

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Thanks Jed, but I'm certainly not volunteering to be the central anything. Distribution is the way - what belongs to no-one, belongs to everyone. At least, that's what I'd like to try. Your site and others (Tobias, Mat etc. etc.) already fulfil the purpose of what I am suggesting here - to coll

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Yes, of course we should "write a TW" rather than a book. But the "we write colletively" is problematic as long as we don't have you-know-what, set up yeah, I'm talking about a TWevolution ... or maybe I mean a TWederation. Once this is up, I thi

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

This sounds like a really messy way to put a book together. TW isn't really good at collaboration. It might be better to use Google docs or a server based Wiki. In any event, if you want the quality to be even and consistent, the logic flow not to skip back and forth, and the document to speak

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Making tiddlywiki work well for collaboration is the purpose of twederation, so hopefully that part will not be a problem soon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:44:59 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: > > This sounds like a really messy way to put a book together. > > TW isn't really good at collaboration. It might be better to use Google > docs or a server based Wiki. > > In any event, if you want the quality to be even and consisten

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Mat - What tools do you think federation will give us that we don't already have? My understanding is that it will mostly be a way to check for updates to other people's wikis and pull content across automatically? The wikis involved in that process will each need to be hosted and visible to the

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Hi Dear All, A good manual in whatever form either a real book or a tiddlywiki is long overdue. Jeremy told us that there are about 15,000 users all over the globe. That's zilch considering the enourmous power that seems/is hidden in the software. When I see what beautiful stuff some people can

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Hi Ed, Why do you say that the work should be done elsewhere, other than this group? This is the only place that everybody in the community regularly refers to, so it seems the logical place to start. The call for a user guide / improved documentation is one that has been regularly repeated o

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

RichardWilliamSmith wrote: > > Mat - What tools do you think federation will give us that we don't > already have? My understanding is that it will mostly be a way to check for > updates to other people's wikis and pull content across automatically? > I'm not sure what you include as "tools we

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Additional note; as evidenced from this google group, there is no end to questions and matters to discuss. Unfortunately, most stuff here is probably lost in the archives for most people at the time when they would benefit from it. It would be much better (I think) which a kind of knowledge bas

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Richard, We have not done a good job of showing what is possible with twederation, but one thing it will do is greatly simplify collaborative editing in tiddlywiki and allow something resembling a multi user wiki. Hopefully there will be a working playground soon so I won't give to much of an

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Ed & others, The 15,000 quoted NUMBER OF USERS is likely not the case. The number of TW users worldwide is likely far, FAR HIGHER. A lot of people are trialing/using tiddly-wiki straight out of the box. We know that because of the level of TiddlyFox downloads. Jeremy, I and SimonBeard cover so

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Ciao tutti, I have read this thread with great interest. I can make some simple points which I think may be relevant... 1 - I see several INTER-RELATED issues. Perhaps the most publicly significant of them is that the high level TiddlyWiki's a potential user FIRST encounters on the net are, ba

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

OK I've started the doc on tiddlyspot here: http://tw-for-bunnies.tiddlyspot.com/ Please provide comments on style and usability. Right now many of the pages are empty. Also if you have suggested edits, either post the wiki text here or create a page of your own and post it here. I'll copy and

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Hi cpa, I really like your slidehow changes, but would you please consider turning off sticky titles? Birthe On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 8:04:32 PM UTC+2, c pa wrote: > > OK I've started the doc on tiddlyspot here: > > http://tw-for-bunnies.tiddlyspot.com/ > > Please provide comments on styl

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Dear c pa, I am sorry, but are you serious? This is definitey not the way to start. I think this is not the way that people should be talked to. TiddlyWiki is already hampered by the title itself. We actual users are used to the word, but newcomers ask What wiki, What's tiddly? So the title mig

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Hi Richard, Thanks for your comments, really! 8-)) I would like to develop this project in another place as here too many other things are happening. Google Groups seems btw to me quite antiquated. I'd rather have some forum like xenforo. One might have to search for specific threads or it sho

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Hi Ed, I thought, that was explanation of the changes c pa has done on the workings of the slidehow. Explanation for us to be able to use it. The content for the user is the outline proposed the other day. The content has not been written yet. I know my English is very bad, so I will not be ab

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

> > For Dummies, eh? > Therefore some dumm questions > > What is a data dictionary? > What is json? > What is a macro? > What is a widget? > What's this "$"sign for Pete's sake? > What is a state tiddler? > What is a temp tiddler? > > I have decades of experience working with new users. They are e

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Ed, >> For total beginners, novices this is useless information. >> Please NO, jargon to start with as in "individual divs stored in the single file" What are "divs"? >> Why for Pete's sake do you want to explain Excellent points. Changes made. Everyone, These are the kinds of comments I'm lo

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

c pa - Nice initiative! A really important (and well meaning!!!) question; What makes this one different from the previous initiatives from other people? What would make it successful - not only for you personally (maybe a fantastic TW manual is enough) but also *how* will it become something

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Ciao Mat & c pa I find I want to comment again on this thread. Especially your contributions. The re-creation of the wheel on this is a distinct danger IMO. Its great to see initiatives, & the energy & the care behind them. But getting real traction I don't think is at all easy. As I am an id

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Hi Josiah, What do you want to do? And how much money do you have? :) Regards, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@g

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Hi Richard I'm currently writing specs. It will likely take me a week to finish yet as I'm trying to be as clear as possible. Money is available. Pricing we'd need to haggle a bit :-) Best Josiah On Friday, 10 June 2016 16:08:03 UTC+2, RichardWilliamSmith wrote: > > Hi Josiah, > > What do you

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Gosh, I thought everyone loved programming. My theory is that in the future everyone will be a programmer, even if it's only "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot". I've waded through many detailed programming examples in various languages. The thing is, unless it exactly matches the thing you want to do, there

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Mat says >> What makes this one different from the previous initiatives from other people? Nothing >> What would make it successful Success = helps me. This is an exercise in setting things up so in 5 years I can dig out old code and use it >> IMO the faint blue font color is difficult to see w

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Ciao Mark S, I can see you have ordered a few too many Earl Grey's at The Foo Bar. :-) Use Cases IMO, and experience, are a fundamental method of engendering broader understanding. Specifics instantiate rules in a way that non-experts can better grasp. Obviously people have different styles of

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Ciao c pa Its good you doing it. In particular I realized you are clear about the background situation ... so hopefully your ... >> wheel will be rounder ... and at least ... >> so in 5 years I can dig out old code and use it Formats of HOW to present learning material matter. But are not so

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Ed Just a footnote. I believe the userbase is far, far more than 15,000. Look at this recent thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/g_YeDXCvZGY Quite how high it is difficult to estimate because (1) usage (by design) is not tracked; (2) proper download analytics are not av

[tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 10:39:12 PM UTC+8, madscijr wrote: > > Just sayin'. I would find it useful, if only the way the Dummies books > are structured. > Maybe dedicate half the book to TW Classic and half to TW 5? > > I've been hesitant to add my two cents to this discussion, but let me o

Re: [tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

There is also a need be a simple glossary. TW seems to have lots of specialized vocabulary. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2016, at 3:40 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki > wrote: > > That's a nice outline. Makes me wonder if what's really wanted is a TW > cookbook. > > Mark. > >> On Monday,

Re: [tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

We should write a book together. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tidd

Re: [tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

Le mardi 7 juin 2016 13:33:26 UTC+2, RichardWilliamSmith a écrit : > > We should write a book together. > Yes, for example with https://en.flossmanuals.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and sto

Re: [tw] Re: Why is there no actual "TiddlyWiki For Dummies" book? Someone please write one!

It may be worth mentioning that there is a more-or-less dormant discussion group that we set up for talking about documentation improvements: http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidocs Best wishes Jeremy > On 10 Jun 2016, at 09:49, Mat wrote: > > c pa - Nice initiative! > > A really im