Re: [time-nuts] Re; Ebay bidding

2007-04-28 Thread Didier Juges
Even with my sniping service, I have to set the amount of time before the end of the auction when I want my bid to be placed (usually a few seconds). If there are more than one client of the same service bidding on the same item at the same time, it's the luck of the draw, unless you know

Re: [time-nuts] HP59309A HP-IB Digital Clock Operating andService Manual

2007-04-23 Thread Didier Juges
You are welcome to upload it to my manuals page http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals Upload instructions are at the top. Didier From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norman J McSweyn Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:23 PM To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-23 Thread Didier Juges
attachment did not make it, there it is: http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/Tektronix - 7L5/Tek-7L5-PhaseNoise.png Didier Didier Juges wrote: Tom Van Baak wrote: Related - does anyone have equipment in your home/lab that can directly measure, at uV or sub-uV levels, noise

Re: [time-nuts] Brandywine GPS-4 (0010-0040) manual

2007-04-22 Thread Didier Juges
Oooops: http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/4_GPS_Stuff/GPS4-Manual_v2.2.pdf Sorry for the typo... Didier KO4BB ji1qgk wrote: Hi Didier and Jason Thanks for uploading the manual. However, your page is not found now. Could you confirm it? My unit GPS locked and true 10MHz output but

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-22 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Some comments: * The Vref output of most OCXO's is from a Zener diode inside the can. These typically have aging, thermal sensitivity and very poor voltage accuracy, and there are much better monolithic

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread Didier Juges
Bruce, Buy an HP 3586 on eBay (I paid $90 for my HP 3586A with OCXO), lock its reference to the GPSDO, set it to 32 MHz and use the LO output. All you need is a sturdy shelf (!!!) and a couple of cables. No soldering iron required, no PIC programming or anything else :-) Maybe not the most

Re: [time-nuts] Brandywine GPS-4 (0010-0040) manual

2007-04-21 Thread Didier Juges
check http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/4_GPS_Stuff/GPS4-Manual_v2.2-1.pdf Didier KO4BB Hi. I'm looking for manual of Brandywine GPS-4 (model:0010-0040). Does anyone know where to obtain it? Thanks Hiro ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB/USB converter help...

2007-04-17 Thread Didier Juges
I struck gold, I got two brand new units in original packaging with manuals and cables for $90 on eBay a year ago or so... The seller had 2 in a Dutch auction for $90 each, and I was going to buy one but I missed the deadline and the units did not sell... As I was writing him an email to ask

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB/USB converter help...

2007-04-17 Thread Didier Juges
The good news in that regard is that it appears FTDI pretty much owns the USB-Serial adapter market, at least in the US, so we almost have a standard there... Didier KO4BB Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Van Baak writes: Another example is GPS receivers. How

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB/USB converter help...

2007-04-17 Thread Didier Juges
John, You are too late by about a week or two, we had a rental for about 6 months and just sent it back last week... Forgot which model exactly, but it was the 40 or 50 GHz model. Very spiffy. I have a new Prologix controller on the way and I intend to check it on everything I can lay my

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB/USB converter help...

2007-04-16 Thread Didier Juges
GPIB-ENET controllers by NI are on and off available on eBay for about $200. I would think there is a market for an ethernet/GPIB controller in that price range. I also second the RS-232 option. While the USB-parallel interface chip has the potential of being much faster (which is great when

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-13 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Peter I only intended to indicate that not all GPS timing receivers need exhibit hanging bridges. The Trimble Resolution T for example may (or may not) exhibit hanging bridges. If anyone has any evidence either way it would be interesting to look at it. If one

[time-nuts] Delay Line Discriminator article

2007-04-11 Thread Didier Juges
I came across an old article on the Delay Line Discriminator for Phase Noise Measurements (Microwave Journal 1983). I don't think the theory has changed much since then :-) http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/3_GPS_Stuff/DelayLineDiscriminator.pdf Didier KO4BB

Re: [time-nuts] Standards for units

2007-04-04 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Said, Thanks for the correction. Now I recall... That's what happens when shooting from the hip without proper backup :-) Didier KO4BB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/3/2007 19:29:25 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An Arianne 5 rocket had to be

Re: [time-nuts] Standards for units

2007-04-03 Thread Didier Juges
An Arianne 5 rocket had to be destroyed with its cargo when it veered off course because of a faulty conversion from English to metric in the guidance software. What a bummer! I hate it when that happens!!! Didier KO4BB Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: There was a recent incident when a passenger

Re: [time-nuts] Standards for units

2007-04-03 Thread Didier Juges
Thomas A. Frank wrote: Are there actually US people on this list who actually continue to advocate the use of non-metric units in their country? Speak up! Of course. Well the USA ever go metric? No. I find it hard to understand why a country as advanced as the US

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system forRF devices.

2007-03-31 Thread Didier Juges
In France, and I suspect in the rest of the world, machinists talk in 1/100th of a mm (centieme in French). The 'centieme' is a very good fractional unit when dealing with hardware. It is not harder to talk in 1/100th of a mm than in 1/1000th of an inch. The micrometre (micron in French, as

Re: [time-nuts] phase noise and related stuff

2007-03-31 Thread Didier Juges
I like Joe's editor myself (Wordstar background). A colleague and I are having ongoing arguments about vi versus Joe's. I say it takes many more keystrokes to do the same job under vi, she says it does not take her any longer than me to do anything because I am a lousy typist, I tell her if

Re: [time-nuts] need power trans. for HP3325

2007-03-25 Thread Didier Juges
Even though you may have to be careful about noise, and assuming the operating voltages are not exotic, you can probably find an off-the-shelf switching supply that will fit where the transformer and linear supplies were, with lots of room to spare, and significantly reduced heat dissipation.

Re: [time-nuts] need power trans. for HP3325

2007-03-25 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Even though you may have to be careful about noise, and assuming the operating voltages are not exotic, you can probably find an off-the-shelf switching supply that will fit where the transformer and linear supplies were, with lots of room

Re: [time-nuts] need power trans. for HP3325

2007-03-25 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier SCR's are still used in very high power (Megawatt) high voltage (0.5 Megavolts or more) inverters where they replaced grid controlled mercury arc devices (some of these have been in operation for 40 years or more). I am sceptical that any affordable

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-24 Thread Didier Juges
The Nikonos, a fine instrument. The line still exists. Didier KO4BB Joseph Gray wrote: Back in the days of cameras that used film :-) Nikon used to make a very nice waterproof and rugged camera. I forgot the model, but it was made for divers. I knew several people who had one, but they were

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-24 Thread Didier Juges
Your camera probably had a cold solder joint. Maybe it was an RoHS part soldered with standard soldering process. We have that problem all the time with vendors sending RoHS parts with the same part number as the SnPb part they replace. I would not be surprised to see a lot of those problems

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendations

2007-03-20 Thread Didier Juges
The HP 5334 is a nice counter. I have the B model. The A model has a few more features (particularly math functions), but the front end is more easily damaged. For Time Interval measurements, both models are equivalent. Be aware the built-in standard timebase is not very good. It is also hard to

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendations

2007-03-20 Thread Didier Juges
Time Interval resolution in single shot: HP 5316: 100nS HP 5334: 1nS HP 5370: 20pS Any question? Didier KO4BB M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : The HP 5334 is a nice counter. I have the B model. The A model has a : few

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Signal Strength Through Roof?

2007-03-19 Thread Didier Juges
I have 3 antennas in my shack, upstairs. The attic is pretty high, so the antennas are still a good 10 to 12 feet below the tip of the roof, which is covered with shingles. They work fine there, but worked very badly when they were at eye level in the same room, probably because of multipath.

Re: [time-nuts] Coax switch

2007-03-18 Thread Didier Juges
Interesting, I only have *one* problem with Earthlink users: absolutely nothing gets through :-) Didier John Miles wrote: Dick: you got my message re: the TDS 544, right? (Apologies for the misuse of bandwidth but I have had a *lot* of trouble emailing Earthlink users lately, and wanted to

Re: [time-nuts] Coax switch

2007-03-18 Thread Didier Juges
The first time I heard of all-pass filters, I said to myself: what's the point? I could say the same about Earthlink's filter (all-reject): what's the point? Didier KO4BB Richard W. Solomon wrote: Lately, Earthlink has been treating my jpeg and zip attachments as a virus !! Especially if

Re: [time-nuts] Can anyone ID this Ashtech GPS receiver

2007-03-14 Thread Didier Juges
I got the same from eBay. It's a Magellan - Ashtech G8, info at ftp://ftp.magellangps.com/OEM,%20Sensor%20%20ADU/g8/Reference%20Material/ I have not turned on mine yet... Didier KO4BB Dave Brown wrote: Subject line sez all. Picked this up recently with some other GPS related stuff. Google

Re: [time-nuts] Happy Leap Hour Day !

2007-03-11 Thread Didier Juges
Today is happy :-) Tomorrow will not :-( Didier KO4BB Brian Kirby wrote: Have a happy Leap Hour day ! ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Happy Leap Hour Day !

2007-03-11 Thread Didier Juges
I have several of those that did not adjust either. I simply changed the time zone and I will have to think about changing back in 3 weeks. I suppose the time signal includes DST info and these clocks do not use it, while the Casio does? Or is the Casio a new model that may have the right DST

Re: [time-nuts] Happy Leap Hour Day !

2007-03-11 Thread Didier Juges
I have had mine for a while and all I could say is, it was nice while it lasted :-) Well, on the positive side, you may be off by an hour, but the seconds will be right :-) I plan to take tomorrow off anyhow, that will give me another day to adjust my own body clock (with is not disciplined

Re: [time-nuts] Happy Leap Hour Day !

2007-03-11 Thread Didier Juges
I do not know if my clocks (WWVB controlled types) are one of these hard coded one, or a smart one, but I will say the one feature that made me choose it over others was the low price (for a WWVB controlled model). Let's be honest, it was cheap. However, if it happens to have simply missed

Re: [time-nuts] Low Drop Out Voltage Regulator

2007-03-09 Thread Didier Juges
Linear Technology LT1170 It's an integrated switcher, you need an inductor and a schottky diode (and a couple of capacitors and resistors) but it will run with a small heat sink and will help extend battery life. It's available in several packages, I prefer the modified TO-220 (5 pins) The

Re: [time-nuts] 5370a manual

2007-03-07 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Chuck, Thanks for the tip. That's got to be the problem. I will take the CPU card out of the worst offender tonight and look under the magnifier. Didier KO4BB Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Well, one thing for sure, in both my units, the chips

Re: [time-nuts] 5370a manual

2007-03-06 Thread Didier Juges
The 5370A (and B) service manual is also at www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals Didier KO4BB Jeroen Bastemeijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, I have problems accessing the 5370A manual on the Agilent website?! Accessing the 5370B manual is nor problem. Any suggestions? Thanks,

Re: [time-nuts] Suspected Spam: External clock for Analog toDigital Converter in GPSRx front-end Rx front-end

2007-03-02 Thread Didier Juges
I bought a nice little noise source, flat from DC to 2 GHz, a Noise/Com model (www.noisecom.com), on eBay for $30 a year ago. You might want to try your luck there. A noise source is very handy. Didier KO4BB Bilal Amin wrote: Hi John, Thank you for your email. I am also looking at the PM

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt versus Home made

2007-02-25 Thread Didier Juges
Angus wrote: Although that's not what I was talking about doing above, I think that it's pretty much what some of the hardware GPSDO's actually do using various types of oscillators (and to good effect too). As in these: http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt versus Home made

2007-02-25 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Angus wrote: Although that's not what I was talking about doing above, I think that it's pretty much what some of the hardware GPSDO's actually do using various types of oscillators (and to good effect too). As in these: http

Re: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B

2007-02-23 Thread Didier Juges
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], jshank writes: I check my 5370b by [...] The manual is online in PDF somewhere and it has a nice and simple to follow procedure, provided you have instruments which are suitable substitutes what it prescribes. Service

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request -- A thought

2007-02-21 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...if my model is correct the apparent offset in the mean will be increased by a factor of 10 over that for a a 1 second gate time. Bruce Looks like you're right Bruce. I did both 1, 0.1 and 0.01 gate times and the

Re: [time-nuts] Article: Regulations focusing on backdating have prompted corporations to pursue technical solutions centered around time synchronization to eradicate the practice

2007-02-21 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Jared Morrisen wrote: And just how does this prevent someone altering the files's timestamp? Not sure what your point is. /jared Jared Just ensuring that the computer clock is accurate, doesn't prevent anyone from tampering with the

Re: [time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
This is for a price sensitive commercial application, not a science project and he is trying to minimize the amount of hardware at the far end for cost and maintenance reasons. A cleanup PLL becomes very costly when dealing with a frequency agile system. Thanks Didier Hal Murray wrote: A

Re: [time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
GHz via fiber optic Didier Juges wrote: This is for a price sensitive commercial application, not a science project and he is trying to minimize the amount of hardware at the far end for cost and maintenance reasons. A cleanup PLL becomes very costly when dealing with a frequency agile

Re: [time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Bruce, The more I read the specs, the more obvious it becomes. I did not realize how jittery these things are. I am still trying to get more info on how clean the LO has to be, but I am pretty sure it will be close to telecom specs

Re: [time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Bruce, I have read about this, noise performance also is not good for analog transmissions, causing very limited dynamic range. That's probably why they use either FM or digital coding in just about all applications. I just did

Re: [time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Bruce, I have read about this, noise performance also is not good for analog transmissions, causing very limited dynamic range. That's probably why they use either

Re: [time-nuts] carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Magnus Danielson wrote: However if all you have is a 10811 it will limit the short term satbility of such a GPSDO. The phase carrier measurements will have a lower noise floor than the 10811 for tau 10s or so. A better oscillator (FTS1200, FTS100 Oscilloquartz OSA8607 etc.) will have a

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Hej Magnus Mitel actually used to make PABX equipment about 20 years ago. They also did specialised ICs for such applications. Bruce That's what I knew them for, we even had a Mitel PABX for a while where I work. Did not know they were into GPS and never seen

Re: [time-nuts] Carrier phase tracking

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Layman explanation, be nice to me please... The notion of carrier with a spread spectrum system is theoretical. There is no carrier signal being sent continuously and modulation sidebands that contain the information, as you would with an AM signal. This is more like an FM signal, where the

Re: [time-nuts] carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Magnus Danielson wrote: You can acheive much greater speedup by a combined frequency/phase approach. You will get a very accurate frequency error estimate, so you will very quickly be close enought to go into phase lock. At least if your clock isn't too noisy. So, the lock-in time should not

Re: [time-nuts] carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Typically with a good local oscillator you can do even better than that, around 1E-11 in 1 sec is achievable and has been achieved. Even with the on board TCXO typically 3E-11 or so in 1s is achieved. Bruce I don't understand how such good variance can

Re: [time-nuts] carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Bruce, Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Bon soir Didier You are confusing the disciplining precision of the oscillator with measurement of its short term stability via the GPS receiver in this case. Bruce Bon après midi to you, I believe, and if my Clock program is any good, you just

[time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
This is somewhat off topic, but still a matter of precision timing. A friend of mine wants to send a 3 GHz LO signal up a fiber optic cable. I know there have been threads dealing with transmission of precise timing signals over fiber optics, and I hope I can get some suggestions where to look

[time-nuts] 5370B on eBay

2007-02-18 Thread Didier Juges
Two of those, with similar symptoms of bad sockets, otherwise similar appearance, sold within an hour of each other, one for about $100 and the other for $250. I guess a number of people got pissed after missing on the first one? eBay never ceases to amaze me! Didier KO4BB

Re: [time-nuts] HP-10811 comming up to speed

2007-02-18 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Connie, Interesting way to use Spectrum Lab (I suppose?) Didier KO4BB Connie Marshall wrote: Here is a shot of my HP-10811 comming up from a cold start. The power was applied at 01:41:00. Although this graph does not show it, the osc was about .05Hz low after three hours. Connie K5CM

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Didier Juges
John, One was sold by sierrametals (went for $250), the other by electronicswest (went for $104) I remember your posting but did not associate it with these items. I bid on both, just in case since they were still at $20 an hour before close, but I was not even close to final price, in either

Re: [time-nuts] carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Didier Juges
Bruce, Thanks a lot, I will wait until I get the unit and find out exactly which model it is, then I'll let you know what the next questions will be :-) All applications I have seen referenced when searching google for carrier phase tracking had to do with surveying or precise tracking. I

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Didier Juges
Brooke, I read about the uncertainty of absolute position because the carrier phase data has no absolute reference, but that still gives a very precise relative position (and speed) information. The point is that for timing, absolute position information is probably unnecessary. The benefit

[time-nuts] 10544A datasheet, 1976

2007-02-17 Thread Didier Juges
There we go again, Thanks to Bruce Griffiths, another beautiful copy of the HP 10544A data sheet, this time vintage 1976, is now at http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/HP - 10544/ Didier KO4BB PS: Bruce, I pasted the png files into a Word document, made them full page and printed to PDF

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt - Hardware Versions - Performance Differenences

2007-02-17 Thread Didier Juges
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw the vendor put up new pictures of the Thunderbolt that he has hundreds of up in his auction . The pictures aren't very clear but it looks as though HALF of the Thunderbolt is missing. There doesn't seem to be any power conditioning board. Am I wrong about

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt - Hardware Versions - PerformanceDifferenences

2007-02-16 Thread Didier Juges
I also agree. While I would not mind getting a couple of units for tinkering, I already have the regular commercial version, with the DC/DC converter, the normal enclosure and the Trimble Bullet antenna, and the whole package cost me $200 with a guaranty. Paying anywhere near that for the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt versus Home made

2007-02-16 Thread Didier Juges
Richard W. Solomon wrote: I looked at the ACE-III on Trimble and do not see mention of a 10 KHz output. Maybe I miised it, but without it, the N1JEZ board will not do unless you modify it for 1 pps. I am trying to find more info, but since it reached EOL, Trimble may have deleted it.

[time-nuts] [Fwd: 10544A datasheet]

2007-02-16 Thread Didier Juges
Thanks to Bruce Griffiths, a beautiful copy of the HP 10544A data sheet, vintage 1972, is now at http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/HP%20-%2010544/ 1976 version is coming. Didier KO4BB ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-15 Thread Didier Juges
This is correct, to the sense that a working GPSDO has sufficient status information that you know with great probability of being right when the device operates per specification, particularly when there is a good GPS signal available from several satellites (3 minimum, 5 is good, more is

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt TPP list

2007-02-14 Thread Didier Juges
If the price goes below $200, I'll go for 2 units. Didier Colin Bradley wrote: Here is the latest Thunderbolt list of interested purchasers. The list is now in the mid 50's. Colin Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 units Didier Juges

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Software

2007-02-14 Thread Didier Juges
I talked to the Trimble sales manager. He said there really should be mainly two versions of firmware, and they are mated to 2 different versions of hardware, so there would be no point of upgrading. I will try to find the specifics, but he said the older units have much more available

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt

2007-02-13 Thread Didier Juges
You must have missed me: Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didier Colin Bradley wrote: The following is a list of the people who have expressed an interest in the Thunderbolt. Colin Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 units Robert E. Martinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 unit John Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium Beam Lifetime

2007-02-13 Thread Didier Juges
Can't help with Cs tubes, but the HP 5370 can do 12 digits/second and many other amazing things, such as 20pS resolution time interval in single shot, and 0.1pS in repetitive mode. This is what I have learned about counters lately: The 5370A is relatively common on eBay, I bought two units

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread Didier Juges
Connie Marshall wrote: Is a GPS antenna and a Power Supply the only extras needed to have a fully functional unit. Connie K5CM That would be the case for a standard Thunderbolt. Now, to know if your unit is any good, you need two others, and an Rb or Cs oscillator would not hurt... Do

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread Didier Juges
Well, some of us who have been on this list much longer than me can tell you that when you only have one clock, it's pretty hard to tell if it's working right, or how accurate it is. If you have two clocks, they probably won't agree perfectly, and you have no way to tell which is right, if

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-12 Thread Didier Juges
I would be interested in one piece too, to keep company to the one I already have :-) (always have a backup...) The starting price is OK with me, but considering it does not have the DC/DC converter, I would be reluctant to put more into it. Certainly it would make sense not to go into a

Re: [time-nuts] 10544A Oscillator Question

2007-02-11 Thread Didier Juges
I have uploaded the schematic and some of the recent threads about the 10544 at http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/HP - 10544/ Didier KO4BB Howard W. Ashcraft wrote: One difference between the 10544A and a 10811A is that the 10544A requires +12v on pin 8 in order for the heater to turn

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-02-05 Thread Didier Juges
better. I think the military bought boat loads of these and I've heard from a number of people that use them and like them a lot. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke w/Java http://www.PRC68.com w/o Java http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/PRC68COM.shtml http://www.precisionclock.com Didier Juges wrote

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-02-05 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Brooke, I am familiar with the Jim Williams app note, but I felt the pulse shape was somewhat lousy (based on the pictures that came with the article) due to the very small cap on the collector, OK to calibrate or evaluate a fast scope, I guess, but too far from a square wave to be able to

Re: [time-nuts] Sci Am article on Quartz meets Pendulum, Sep 1974

2007-02-03 Thread Didier Juges
They will be at http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/1_GPS_Stuff Thanks Didier KO4BB Hal Murray wrote: There are two versions on http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/tmp/ They will be there until I need the space which will be at least a week or two. If somebody has a good home,

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A that just sold on eBay

2007-01-30 Thread Didier Juges
I believe you could buy a Fury from Jackson Labs for about $750. It's specs look pretty good. Didier KO4BB Jason Rabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of which... Was it someone on this list (that is willing to admit it) that won that Z3801A? I was thinking maybe it would go for

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS antennas have a 50 ohm output impedance. Trimble literature however is ambiguous in that in the Resolution T receiver

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS antennas have a 50 ohm output impedance. Trimble

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Chris Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS antennas have a 50 ohm output impedance. Trimble literature however is ambiguous in that in

[time-nuts] More ACE-III stuff

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
I took a picture of my ACE-III test board. http://www.ko4bb.com/Test_Equipment/ACE-III There is a picture showing it side by side with the Jupiter. The Jupiter is a little smaller, but draws about 240mA versus 95 for the ACE-III, so the ACE-III is much better suited to a portable system. I

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
It is true is that the impedance of a transmission line is not constant with frequency, particularly at the low end (audio). At the higher end, a lot of things happen, such as impedance, attenuation and velocity factor all change (a little) with frequency. Also, at the higher end, leakage

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Chris Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Didier Juges wrote: Bruce, You have done it again. Now, I have more ideas for interesting experimentation and still not more time :-) I have 3 coax runs going from my ham shack to the top of my tower to feed the HF (14 to 30 MHz) and two VHF antennas (6m and 2m, or 50 MHz and 144 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Certainly a vector network analyzer is the next piece of test equipment I need to get. We have several HP 8720 and 8722 where I work, and it's easy to be spoiled... Unfortunately, that's another quantum leap in cost from the spectrum analyzers and synthesizers I have, at least for those that

Re: [time-nuts] ACE-III GPS receivers

2007-01-27 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Jason, Thanks for a lot of good info. I had already downloaded the manual, but I had not found the ftp site, thanks. I will download and try the programs. The info about pin 1 came a little late, but I can confirm that swapping pins 1 and 8, and everything in between does not result in

Re: [time-nuts] ACE-III GPS receivers

2007-01-27 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Jason, I have looked everywhere for the 2mm hardware, and while I could find connectors, the ribbon cable itself seems unavailable in short length off-the-shelf. I will check Mouser (again...) Receiver-wise, I think I am covered at the moment, with 2 Jupiters and the 3 ACE-III. I can build

Re: [time-nuts] ACE-III GPS receivers

2007-01-27 Thread Didier Juges
Nice Symmetricom antenna there, Jason. I need to find a similar mount. I have made an S shaped support with PVC tube, but I have not found a clean way to secure it to the wall. The metal bracket looks much cleaner. I will look for laptop hard drive hardware. Even though I have yet to find one

Re: [time-nuts] ACE-III GPS receivers

2007-01-27 Thread Didier Juges
Hi John, Thank you very much for the precise info. The link to the catalog page does not work, but the description looks good. Excellent! Didier KO4BB jmfranke wrote: I purchased twelve inch ribbon cables with connectors for the Jupiter receivers from Mouser. Their part number:

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS Receivers

2007-01-27 Thread Didier Juges
Jason I believe has a GPS4. I have not seen any on eBay in a while. http://www.brandywinecomm.com/literature/bwc_lc_GPS4.pdf There is also the HP 58540A that looks a lot like the Thunderbolt, but the specs are not nearly as good. I have not seen any of those on eBay in a while either.

Re: [time-nuts] ACE-III GPS receivers

2007-01-27 Thread Didier Juges
I found them in the paper catalog, it's page 877 (the web site says page 868, but that's not it). At $8 for one cable good for 2 receivers, that's all I need. Thanks Didier KO4BB jmfranke wrote: I purchased five of the twenty pin twelve inch cables and cut them in half to have ten

Re: [time-nuts] ACE-III GPS receivers

2007-01-27 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Nice Symmetricom antenna there, Jason. I need to find a similar mount. I have made an S shaped support with PVC tube, but I have not found a clean way to secure it to the wall. The metal bracket looks much cleaner. I will look for laptop

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS Receivers

2007-01-27 Thread Didier Juges
comprehensive testing since SA was turned off. Didier KO4BB David I. Emery wrote: On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:57:30PM -0600, Didier Juges wrote: There is also the HP 58540A that looks a lot like the Thunderbolt, but the specs are not nearly as good. I have not seen any of those on eBay in a while

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58517A Distribution Amp

2007-01-24 Thread Didier Juges
Joe, You are welcome to upload it to ftp.ko4bb.com login: manuals password: manuals then I'll move it with the other manuals at http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals Thanks in advance Didier KO4BB Joseph Gray wrote: I have a PDF for a 58516A, if that will help.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58517A Distribution Amp

2007-01-24 Thread Didier Juges
The problem fixed itself between the time I asked for help from my ISP and the time they responded (the next day in the morning). They said there is no file size limit and no directory size limit, the only limit is the overall disk space at 25 GB, and I use 10% or 12% of that now. He surmised

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58517A Distribution Amp

2007-01-24 Thread Didier Juges
I wish I could agree, but I had the same problem immediately after you notified me, so it was not you, or your computer, or your ISP :-) Didier KO4BB Joseph Gray wrote: It was probably my fault. Things like that happen to me a lot :-( - Original Message - From: Didier Juges [EMAIL

Re: [time-nuts] Serial Port Logging Script?

2007-01-22 Thread Didier Juges
Here is a shell script that sets a serial port, reads data from the serial port and pipes it to another program (rpm) #!/bin/sh # open ttyS1, set to 19200 and raw mode (so as not to choke on checksum) stty 19200 raw /dev/ttyS1 # Print what comes from ttyS1, filter through rpm cat /dev/ttyS1

Re: [time-nuts] Serial Port Logging Script?

2007-01-22 Thread Didier Juges
the data it is intended to process contains control characters, which would confuse the shell (I think). You may be able to do a cleaner implementation if you only use printable ASCII characters. Didier Juges wrote: Here is a shell script that sets a serial port, reads data from the serial port

Re: [time-nuts] Concern over Daylight Saving Time

2007-01-20 Thread Didier Juges
Hal Murray wrote: Actually, if you're using a network time server on your home LAN, and sync'ing your workstations to it, you need only make sure that the time server is running right. The computers will then take care of themselves. NTP uses UTC. (Roughly. There might be

[time-nuts] HP Z3801A on eBay

2007-01-20 Thread Didier Juges
This HP Z3801A GPS Frequency Receiver Oscillator 58503 HAM, item 150083329300, is over $200 with 9 days to go. It's going to be a long ride. Just in case anyone was interested in joining the fray. Didier KO4BB ___ time-nuts mailing list

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