Re: [time-nuts] Looking for HP 10638A

2012-08-29 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
. From: John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2012, 17:28 Subject: [time-nuts] Looking for HP 10638A I'd like to find an HP 10638A degausser unit -- I'm lucky enough

Re: [time-nuts] HP-5065a bought and finally working!

2012-08-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Eduardo -- For longer term measurements (e.g., tau of an hour or more) a very nice and inexpensive counter is the HP 5334A/B. I haven't looked recently, but in the past I bought several off eBay for $150 or less. They are fairly modern, compact (2U high), and don't have a noisy fan.

Re: [time-nuts] Embedded NTP servers?

2012-08-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Bill -- Your lucky day may be at hand -- I've been struggling to get my herd of Soekris 4501s running again and thought the process of updating from BSD 4 to 9 would be simple. Well, several months later I have a working CF image and am just getting the four 4501s Soekris's (Soekri?)

[time-nuts] Tidbit for Soekris 4501 NTP users

2012-08-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
This is probably something that very, very few other people are going to encounter, but thought I would note it here for posterity. I'm using the Soekris 4501 with high-resolution Elan CPU for nanosecond timestamps as documented at http://www.febo.com/pages/soekris. When using a PPS-only

Re: [time-nuts] T-Bolt output harmonics

2012-08-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Grant -- Welcome! I'd say you're doing OK; most frequency standards don't put a lot of emphasis on harmonic purity in the specs. Better than 45dB down is pretty good, and not much TF gear is highly sensitive to harmonics. I would *not* add a bandpass filter unless you really need to.

Re: [time-nuts] web presentation of data

2012-08-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I think there are now a couple of threads going on about this topic, which I started by a clumsy attempt to use the WIDTH and HEIGHT attributes in HTML. :-) For what it's worth, I usually scale web graphics to no larger than 750 pixels horizontal or 550 pixels vertical. That goes back to the

Re: [time-nuts] Cross-Correlation Results

2012-08-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Yup... I'm still playing with the screenshots from TimeLab; on my machine by default they come out at 13xx pixels wide, and I usually size to about 700 wide for web display. As an experiment, I tried using the WIDTH and HEIGHT options in the IMG SRC tag, setting to a percentage rather than

[time-nuts] Cross-Correlation Results

2012-08-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Magnus inspired me to try my own cross-correlation experiment with the TimePod today. I used two fairly normal OCXO frequency standards as the reference, and a Wenzel 5 MHz ULN as the device under test. By doing single-reference measurements of each OCXO versus the ULN, I was able to plot

Re: [time-nuts] Cross-Correlation Results

2012-08-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
the data for the ULN specifications? On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Magnus inspired me to try my own cross-correlation experiment with the TimePod today. I used two fairly normal OCXO frequency standards

Re: [time-nuts] FTS1200, OSA8600, OSA8601 phase noise and ADEV measures

2012-08-02 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Magnus, this is very cool. Can you describe your cross-correlation setup with the Time-Pod? I'd like to play with it here and compare notes. John On 8/2/2012 12:36 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Fellow time-nuts, I have borrowed Björn's FTS1200 and OSA8600 and that complements my own

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Unfortunately, the TAPR T2-Mini divider (http://www.tapr.org/kits_t2-mini.html) can't quite get to 1 MHz from 10 MHz with the PIC divider chip due to limitations in the chip architecture. However, nothing says you couldn't dead bug in a decade divider chip in place of the PIC, and let the

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
kHz output. John --- On 7/24/2012 1:05 PM, Chris Hoffman, KG6O wrote: John, That's interesting to me. What exactly are the actual structural limitations of [that] pic? -CH On Jul 24, 2012, at 7:55, John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com wrote: Unfortunately, the TAPR T2-Mini divider (http

[time-nuts] Motorola GT+ and UT+ Receivers Available

2012-07-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
TAPR has obtained a small number of used but tested Motorola GT+ and UT+ receiver boards. The gang here is probably most interested in the UT+, which is an 8 channel receiver with 1PPS nominal accuracy of 50 nanoseconds. TAPR is selling the UT+ receivers for $25 plus shipping, and the GT+ for

Re: [time-nuts] disciplining sound card

2012-07-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Don -- The problem with the Clock-Block is that it can't generate exactly the correct frequency in this case -- the closest it can get is several PPM off. And, I'm not sure the phase noise/jitter from the Clock-Block is good enough. I don't know whether you could program a PIC to

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation question

2012-07-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I think a number of higher-end sound cards accept a word clock or world clock (I've seen it both ways) that's intended to allow syncing to an external source. The challenge I've seen is that the frequency (either in the 12 or 24 MHz range) is one that's not simple to synthesize precisely

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation question

2012-07-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I don't know if they've been discontinued, but a number of the M-Audio cards had word clock inputs as well. They are/were pretty widely available on eBay. John On 7/6/2012 11:24 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: OK, found it: the RME HDSPe RayDAT PCIe audio card has this reference but with the

Re: [time-nuts] HP-5065a advise and purchase decision

2012-07-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
John Miles said the following on 07/01/2012 05:18 PM: The real problem with the 5065A is that it represents the end of the line for most noncommercial users. There are no further upgrade possibilities for taus out to several hours -- not even the best commercial cesium standards -- until you

Re: [time-nuts] Time Nuts at the Dayton Hamvention

2012-05-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'll either be at the TAPR booth inside (booths 455-458, in the same vicinity as the ARRL and AMSAT booths), wandering the flea market searching for The Great Bargain, or hanging out at the flea spaces Bob mentioned. We'll have a T2-Mini demo running at the TAPR booth (and product available for

Re: [time-nuts] In the atomclock repairshop...

2012-04-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Very cool, Magnus. Congratulations on your new-found fame! John On 4/25/2012 3:06 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Fellow time-nuts, Oh, ok. So now it is public, so I better tell you about it... Jörgen Städje is a tech-writer which enjoys writing articles where he dips into some system and

Re: [time-nuts] Missing parts of threads

2012-04-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
From the Sysadmin: The server that febo.com runs on is getting a little long in the tooth, and the amount of mail it processes never gets smaller -- remember that time-nuts now has nearly 1200 members, and then think of the amount of traffic the list sees every day. And, the machine does

Re: [time-nuts] To remove membership

2012-04-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The certificate error is because it's self-signed and not commercial, which costs a chunk of change every year. We use SSL to avoid sending passwords in the clear and not for ecommerce purposes, so (apart from browsers complaining) there isn't any need for a trusted certificate. The

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese Scopes (was: Re: LORAN-C at MIT)

2012-04-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 4/16/2012 1:47 PM, Marvin Gozum wrote: At eevblog.com forum Chinese scopes are a daily discussion for over 3 years. In summary, in the= 100 MHz level they are very cost effective but there are better and worse. Rigol, Owon and Hantek are on par while Atten and Uni-T are consistently rated

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I can put a wiki on febo.com if someone volunteers to manage it. John On Apr 8, 2012, at 3:09 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 4228A5D7373F4DE7BD482AFEACF85458@narvik, David J Taylor writes: This is the kind of important and detailed information I really wish we

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I haven't measured the video amps, but here are plots of an HP 5087A, TADD-1, and Spectracom 8140 tap unit for a baseline: http://febo.com/pages/amplifier_phase_noise/ John Tom Knox said the following on 03/25/2012 03:48 PM: Has anyone measured Phase Noise on any of these distribution

[time-nuts] Anyone familiar with SR-620 repair?

2012-03-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
My SRS SR-620 counter died last weekend. After superficial troubleshooting, it looks like there's probably a short on one of the power supply rails. Symptom is that nothing lights up when power is turned on, but one or more of the three terminal regulators gets very, very hot (can't tell

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone familiar with SR-620 repair?

2012-03-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Great advice. I have the manual, but it doesn't include schematics. I think someone on the list has a PDF of the schematics, so I'll be digging around for that before I start digging into the box. John On 3/23/2012 2:36 PM, J. Forster wrote: Not w/ that instrument, but try the following. I

Re: [time-nuts] typical phase nosie and ADEV plot of an OCXO

2012-03-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/14/2012 6:22 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Hi, I'm currently writing a short article on crystal oscillators and am looking for plots of typical phase noise and ADEV of an OCXO. But unfortunately, i couldnt find any, so far. Only discrete numbers from the data sheets, or phase noise plots only

Re: [time-nuts] Pretty ADEV/Tau plots

2012-03-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/14/2012 1:35 PM, Chris Howard wrote: These pretty ADEV/Tau plots, do people have an automated system to produce these things? How much work is involved? How many samples are taken? Sample for a month, omputer crunching for weeks? I have no feel for what the process is like. I have two

Re: [time-nuts] Solar Storm Effects?

2012-03-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Last evening I looked at my raw (but sawtooth corrected) GPS vs. Rb and didn't see anything noteworthy. John On 3/8/2012 10:20 PM, Mark Spencer wrote: Over last day and a half I've been comparing the 10Mhz output of my Jupiter based GPSDO (actually a G3RUH GPSDO) to a BVA OCXO. So

Re: [time-nuts] Solar Storm Effects?

2012-03-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/8/2012 10:08 AM, J. Forster wrote: The media is reporting a large solar storm and saying it will upset GPS among other things. Has anybody see any effects? I won't be able to look at the data until I get home from work tonight, but last evening I started measuring the sawtooth-corrected

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
An interesting complexity of any new Loran system is that it won't be able to rely on GPS for time synchronization! John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/5/2012 10:13 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message4f54d075.6070...@febo.com, John Ackermann N8UR writes: An interesting complexity of any new Loran system is that it won't be able to rely on GPS for time synchronization! Well, define rely. If they're using a Cs and GPS-steer

Re: [time-nuts] Heathkit GC-1000 WWVDO

2012-03-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Are there any WWVB disciplined oscillators (WWVBDO)? I have a couple of Spectracom 8164 WWVB DOs running. They bounce around by a part or three in 10e10. The 8164 uses an FLL that does 1000 second counts of the internal

Re: [time-nuts] Schematic capture, anyone?

2012-02-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
There are a bunch of choices, some free and some limited to working with a certain PCB shop, but I like Eagle (http://www.cadsoftusa.com) because, among other things, it's cross-platform running on Windows, Mac, and Linux (I use the Linux version). There's a free version and a couple of steps

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 - SWCC clock

2012-02-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The 8170 isn't smart enough to calculate the leapsecond immediately. Instead, it uses its error correction routine which takes about 4 minutes after the event to realize that it is one second off, then updates the time to match. Details quite far down the page at

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather on low power CPU/Linux?

2012-02-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
FWIW, I'm running an Atom D510 motherboard with an 8 port serial card. I'm using Windows 7 and VNC for remote access (the machine runs headless). I am regularly running LH v3 beta, TimeLab (reading PPS data from a TIC), TAC32, and GPSCon each on its own serial port simultaneously without any

Re: [time-nuts] Update on Rb Performance

2012-02-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
give, a lot of uncetaiy to even prdict what the one day drift will ber.if the Noise is not noise but due to Using a 10 day ws John Ackermann N8UR jra at febo.com This isn't the real long-term stability test I'm planning to do, but I did let the measurement continue

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: FE-5680A Contact FEI

2012-02-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
One thing to keep in mind is that FEI is very largely a defense contractor, so their customers, marketing, and motivation are a bit different than the typical business-to-business model. John On 2/17/2012 10:02 AM, Bill Riches wrote: Good points made - no income for the company, However

[time-nuts] Entering Altitude for Thunderbolt

2012-02-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
When manually entering coordinates to the Tbolt, using either Tboltmon or Lady Heather, is the altitude value to be entered as MSL or as GPS? The Trimble docs don't seem to indicate which value is used. Based on the surveys I've done with the Motorola receivers, at my location there appears

Re: [time-nuts] Entering Altitude for Thunderbolt

2012-02-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
That's an experiment I should run, but the current experiment requires setting the Tbolt to the same coordinates as the other units, so I'm just looking to do that. :-) On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:42 PM, David C. Partridge david.partri...@perdrix.co.uk wrote: Or even better get Lady Heather to do

Re: [time-nuts] Entering Altitude for Thunderbolt

2012-02-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
* [time-nuts] Entering Altitude for Thunderbolt John Ackermann N8UR jra at febo.com That's an experiment I should run, but the current experiment requires setting the Tbolt to the same coordinates as the other units, so I'm just looking to do that. :-) On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:42 PM, David C

[time-nuts] Removing thermal tape residue?

2012-02-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Is there a recommended way to remove the residue of what I presume was thermal tape on the heatsinks of my various telco Rb units? It's a slightly tacky light greenish layer. I'm guessing that for a permanent installation one would want to remove that residue, smooth the surface, and replace

Re: [time-nuts] Removing thermal tape residue?

2012-02-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I wasn't clear below -- the residue is on the Rb exterior surface that attached to the heatsink. On Feb 11, 2012, at 11:52 AM, John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com wrote: Is there a recommended way to remove the residue of what I presume was thermal tape on the heatsinks of my various telco Rb

Re: [time-nuts] Removing thermal tape residue?

2012-02-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
work then try iso-propyl alcohol, acetone, tri-chlor, etc. Those are more toxic, will attack plastic and paint, etc. --- Graham / KE9H == On 2/11/2012 10:56 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: I wasn't clear below -- the residue is on the Rb exterior surface that attached to the heatsink. On Feb 11

[time-nuts] GPS noise plots

2012-02-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Nothing new or exciting here, but I did some measurements of three GPS sources -- M12+/TAC2, M12+/CNS Clock II with sawtooth correction, and Z3801A -- to see what their short-term noise looked like, and got some pretty pictures: http://www.febo.com/pages/gps_pps/index.html Thanks to John

Re: [time-nuts] Low-Cost Rubidium Performance

2012-02-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 2/9/2012 4:56 AM, Alberto di Bene wrote: On 2/9/2012 3:36 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: As threatened, I've measured stability (out to a trustworthy 10K seconds) and phase noise of the three popular telecom surplus Rb standards. I looked at two units of the FE-5680, two units

Re: [time-nuts] Low-Cost Rubidium Performance

2012-02-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 2/9/2012 7:51 AM, WarrenS wrote: Indeed, ADEV is for random freq variation not easily measured by other means. Temperature fluctuations do not cause random freq changes and the temperature's effect should be removed if one wants accurate long term ADEV numbers. Even daily diurnal cycles due

Re: [time-nuts] PTS synthesizers

2012-02-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Jim Lux said the following on 02/08/2012 07:17 PM: On 2/8/12 3:23 PM, EB4APL wrote: I want to take advantage of the topic just to ask if anybody has any manual or schematics of the PTS 040. I realize that the PTS 160 is close enough, taking in account the different frequency range, and they use

[time-nuts] Low-Cost Rubidium Performance

2012-02-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
As threatened, I've measured stability (out to a trustworthy 10K seconds) and phase noise of the three popular telecom surplus Rb standards. I looked at two units of the FE-5680, two units of the Efratom FRS, and one Datum LPRO. (I have two more LPROs but don't have the mating connector on

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

2012-02-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I am just finishing my promised stability and phase noise measurements on a batch of inexpensive Rb standards; I hope to publish the results tomorrow evening. In the meantime, I've looked at two of the FE-5680s and their phase noise is significantly worse than either the Efratom FRS or the

Re: [time-nuts] Why a 10MHz sinewave output

2012-02-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 2/7/2012 4:30 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:15:44 -0500 Mike Naruta AA8Ka...@comcast.net wrote: On 02/07/2012 03:59 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: while TV and radio uses 75R. (there was once a reason for this, but i don't know it). A 4:1 balun takes old 300 ohm twinlead to

[time-nuts] PicoPSU power supplies

2012-02-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Sorry for the cross-post, but I know this is of interest to some folks on the HPSDR (high performance software defined radio) list, and I suspect it may be helpful for some time-nuts as well. The important message first: the little PicoPSU switching power supplies that plug directly into an

Re: [time-nuts] PicoPSU power supplies

2012-02-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
; it just took the extra battery voltage to put them over the edge). John Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 02/04/2012 03:02 PM: In message4f2d8b77.6040...@febo.com, John Ackermann N8UR writes: The important message first: the little PicoPSU switching power supplies that plug directly

[time-nuts] Rubidium Performance

2012-02-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Someone earlier today made the point that for all the talk about the FEI rubes, there hasn't been any real performance info posted. That prodded me to start an experiment I've been meaning to do for a while. I have samples of all three of the common telco Rb standards -- Efratom FRS, Datum

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-02-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
There've been numerous threads on the Gnuradio mailing list about code to receive GPS using the Ettus Research USRP hardware. I don't know whether anyone has actually made it work, but it appears that it's been the subject of quite a few academic projects. John On 2/1/2012 4:28 AM,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS tick all over the place. Suspect aurora effects

2012-01-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak said the following on 01/26/2012 08:24 PM: google for Space Weather Effects on GPS there's a presentaton by Thomas Bogdan at the Space Weather Prediction Center that gives you some numbers to work with. 10s of meters effects aren't unusual. There's a wonderful example of GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Harris/Qbit amplifers

2012-01-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
the following on 01/25/2012 11:57 AM: John, How about these on EBay, Item : 110803140186 Cheap and plenty in stock. I've just ordered 4 to experiment with. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Ackermann

[time-nuts] Looking for Harris/Qbit amplifers

2012-01-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Several years ago eBay offered some nice amplifier blocks that went up to 500 MHz with about 10dB gain and 25dBm maximum output. The part number on the unit is Harris 0130-211013, but they were sold as Qbit 512. I got a couple back then, and would now like to find two or three more to use

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Didier, check the HPSDR Janus baseband interface and related bits. It's a very good ADC on a board designed with time-nuttish care and can do up 192ksps. The downside is that it doesn't have a soundcard interface; the upside is that the hardware and SDR software that alkmto it are all open

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I think you have to define better, though. A GPSDRbO will have better holdover performance (e.g., stability when the GPS signal goes away) than one using an OCXO, but the OCXO is quite likely to have better short term stability than the Rb. If holdover isn't an issue, you need to find the

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature and signal amp for 'Bay FE-5680A?

2012-01-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The TADD-3 output circuit with 3 74AC04 output stages paralleled is stolen from Tom Clark's design in the original TAC GPS interface board. The 47 ohm resistors aren't intended as back terminations; if you assume a low output impedance at the chip, the three resistors are effectively in

Re: [time-nuts] Question re neutrinos and GPS

2012-01-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Bill -- Normally, they do close the loop at the end of the trip by comparing the traveling standard again with the home reference. In the quartz days, you would use the difference to determine the daily drift over the length of the trip (assuming the oscillator didn't get bumped too hard)

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature and signal amp for 'Bay FE-5680A?

2012-01-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Kevin Rosenberg said the following on 01/07/2012 02:02 PM: TAPR told me last year that the kit discontinuance was due to the Maxim RF amplifiers becoming unavailable. I believe the T1-X65 transformers [1] I just bought from Mini-circuits are similar or identical to the transformer mentioned in

[time-nuts] Thermal insulation choice?

2012-01-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I am looking for a readily available (from Home Depot or other local source) insulating material to use in a chassis that's housing a sensitive OCXO. My goal is just to slow down any external thermal transients so the oven loop has time to react gracefully. I'm thinking of something in sheet

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal insulation choice?

2012-01-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 1/6/2012 2:54 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Can you put something that uses power inside an insulated box? I'd think it might over heat. Thanks, all, for the numerous and helpful responses! To answer Chris' question, putting insulation all the way around the oscillator might cause problems

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal insulation choice?

2012-01-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 1/6/2012 4:14 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote: Before making this into a science project, consider this data point: We converted the oscillator in a 10811 to run in mode B at 10.95 MHz. The tempco in mode B is about 30 ppm per degree C. Needless to say, the converted 10811 was extremely

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 1/5/2012 12:33 AM, John Miles wrote: Grab the latest release from www.miles.io/timelab/readme.htm if you like -- it will acquire from the TSC 5125A for as many hours/days as the TSC's Ethernet connection will stay up. (Which sometimes isn't very long.) TimeLab generates its

[time-nuts] TSC Peculiarities (was Re: FE-5680A performance)

2012-01-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak said the following on 01/05/2012 02:27 PM: John, could you expand on your comment about the ethernet connection? I have seen random instances where the TSC seems to lose its TCP/IP settings, but so far it's never happened during a measurement run, so has been annoying but

[time-nuts] TSC Peculiarities (was Re: FE-5680A performance)

2012-01-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak said the following on 01/05/2012 02:27 PM: I see this on the TSC 5120 but not the 5110. Same for you? When in single DDS mode the 5110 phase is absolute. But when in the dual DDS mode the raw phase output is scaled by B/A frequency, which is displayed at the lower right side of the

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 12/14/2011 2:29 PM, shali...@gmail.com wrote: Another small thing I miss is that a liter of water weighs a kg (under reference conditions, I forgot what that was :). Then the specific weight of various materials only has to be known by their density (ratio of specific weight compared to

Re: [time-nuts] Noob question on measuring Allan Deviation on 10 MHz source

2011-12-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi George -- You can feed frequency data into Stable32, but the documentation doesn't clearly explain that you need to scale the readings into fractional frequency using the scaling function in the File/Open dialog. To get fractional frequency, you divide the results by the nominal

Re: [time-nuts] filtering a 10Mhz frequency standard?

2011-12-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Not to take anything away from Paul's design, but if you have to buy the box new, for three bucks more you can get a complete 10.7 MHz LPF with BNC connectors from MiniCircuits (Model BLP-10.7+, $32.95). They also have quite a few other useful cutoff frequencies -- 1.9 MHz, 5 MHz, 30 MHz,

[time-nuts] FatPPS pulse stretcher again available

2011-11-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
TAPR has been out of stock for a while on the FatPPS pulse stretcher (designed to allow a computer serial port to catch the very short PPS signal that some time sources provide). I'm happy to announce that we've done another production run and the FatPPS is now back in stock. There's more

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A new version - Filtering the 10 MHz

2011-11-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
If the problem is only harmonics (cleaning up a square wave), a simple LC low pass filter with a cutoff midway between the fundamental and second harmonic might be a better choice because it minimizes the tempco-related phase shift that either a high Q filter, or one with a cutoff near the

Re: [time-nuts] FatPPS

2011-10-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
We're working on getting another run going. Don't have a timeframe yet but hopefully Real Soon Now. John On Oct 17, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Bill Dailey docdai...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know where to get one? -- Doc Bill Dailey KXØO

Re: [time-nuts] Cable delay correction for Tbolt Cs substitude

2011-10-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
controller on the antenna? Maybe that should be my next test. ws ** from John Ackermann N8UR I did some very rough measurements last summer with. Run of LMR-400 that was laying on the roof in the hot Georgia sun. Using a network analyzer to ping the cable I found the day vs

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV using TBolt-Tic tester

2011-10-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On Oct 7, 2011, at 3:32 PM, John Miles jmi...@pop.net wrote: Intuitively, I don't believe a GPSDO can outperform an HP 5071A-era clock over periods greater than a few hours. But it may be reasonable to benchmark 5061A-class standards with a good GPSDO setup. We really need some more data

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV using TBolt-Tic tester

2011-10-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
In that test I was just capturing the ADEV table from the TSC-5120 so don't have raw phase data. I'm curious where you got the noise data for the TBolt gps engine -- that's far better than I've seen quoted before. The Trimble data sheet that I found specs the system PPS accuracy at 20

Re: [time-nuts] 2 (Spoofing)

2011-10-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
, but it doesn't completely change the headers. I was misremembering. John On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Scott Newell new...@cei.net wrote: At 07:09 AM 10/5/2011, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: The mailing list system resends messages rather than just relaying them. List messages won't show details

Re: [time-nuts] 2 (Spoofing)

2011-10-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
See my other message for more details, but the spammers often use a two-step approach: (1) harvest address lists from the web, from compromised machines, etc., and (2) send those addresses, along with the payload, off to the botnets who then send the actual email. That gives

Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner

2011-09-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The owner of the list doesn't really care all that much about top vs. bottom posting. The owner of the list really just wants people to think about the list charter before posting: time-nuts is a low volume, high SNR list for the discussion of precise time and frequency measurement and

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX

2011-09-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Folks (on both sides of the political aisle), we're getting way off charter here. Lightsquared has been discussed on the list in multiple threads ad infinitum so let's give it a rest unless/until there's some actual news. Everyone, please keep in mind that time-nuts has over 1,000 subscribers

Re: [time-nuts] Old Frequency Electronics standard and synthesizer

2011-09-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
to the meter reading, i.e. are they 1:1? If there's a power supply then watch it's output voltage as the input is brought up and at some point the output voltage will stabilize. How about some photos? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.End2PartyGovernment.com/ John Ackermann N8UR

[time-nuts] Old Frequency Electronics standard and synthesizer

2011-09-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Years ago I found an interesting box at a hamfest. It's from Frequency Electronics and is labeled as a model FE-6018A Precision Frequency Synthesizer. It has an FE-10A 5 MHz frequency standard, and several internal filter/mixer/other stuff modules. In addition to a 5 MHz output, it has the

Re: [time-nuts] Racal 9420 OCXO

2011-08-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The blue labels just barely visible behind the control panel in the close-up pictures look an awful lot like actual Sulzer labels. I wonder if instead of being licensed it was actually OEM'd and they just replaced the front panel with a purpose-built one. John On 8/25/2011 12:23 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Observations and opinions needed on graph by new nut

2011-08-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Just a note on the 8165: the primary output is from a decent quality OCXO that's in an FLL (not PLL) circuit. The basic idea is that there is a counter with a 1000 second gate time generated from (I think) a 10 MHz crystal that is tightly locked to WWVB with a very short time constant.

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8140 distribution amplifier and the Taps- some application info

2011-07-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm not sure if there's been other data posted, but a few years ago I did phase noise measurements of the 8140T as well as HP 5087A and TADD-1. That info is at http://www.febo.com/pages/amplifier_phase_noise/ I got my hands on a tub full of 8140Ts but don't have the 8140 driver. However,

Re: [time-nuts] Follow-up on Z3801A high EFC reading

2011-07-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thomas, Dan, Magnus, Graham -- Thanks for the replies! This is an interesting example of no two oscillators are the same. I certainly expected that there would be aging and retrace on a cold oscillator, but I started both Z3801As almost simultaneously and within about 12 hours unit #1 had

[time-nuts] Z3801A EFC Error

2011-07-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm getting my two trusty Z3801As up and running after 18 months of downtime and a 500 mile move. Unit #1 came up just fine. Unit #2 has been running for about 18 hours and is working OK except that the health status is showing an EFC error. The EFC value is above 1e6 (currently 1014166)

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp

2011-05-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 5/11/2011 10:20 AM, Dan Rae wrote: On 5/10/2011 11:21 PM, Robert Atkinson wrote: Hi Bob, Apart from video distribution amplifiers (possibly modified, don't ignore VGA ones, they have 3 analog channels -replace the 15 Hi-D with BNC's) There is the TAPR TADD-1

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp

2011-05-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 5/11/2011 12:29 PM, Kevin Rosenberg wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 8:25 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Yes, unfortunately the MAX477 line driver chip that we used in the TADD-1 has become unobtanium, and there's no drop-in replacement. I'm (very slowly) working on a new distribution amp

Re: [time-nuts] PTS X10 Synthesizer - Retuning

2011-04-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Ed, I've thought about moving my 10 - 20 MHz unit as well. At one point, I contacted PTS and they confirmed that the unit could be modified by changing the filter module(s) -- not sure if there was more than one. They quoted a couple of hundred dollars to make the change, so I didn't pursue

Re: [time-nuts] 60hz disciplined watch

2011-04-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I wonder if it's smart enough to have a sanity check to determine whether the line frequency is 50 vs. 60 Hz? BTW -- I have an Ecodrive watch, but it's radio controlled (as well as solar charging), so haven't seen any reference to this setting method before. John On 4/20/2011 10:13

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position averaging software?

2011-04-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks, all, for the suggestions. I'm playing with WinOncore12 at the moment -- for some reason I'm not able to get the M12+ receiver into NMEA mode so VisualGPS isn't usable. I'll fuss more with NMEA mode this weekend, but is there any magic for the ioformat switch? I've used the command

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position averaging software?

2011-04-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
, then there is no NMEA mode... HTH, Regards, Jean-Louis - Original Message - From: John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS position averaging software? Thanks, all

[time-nuts] GPS position averaging software?

2011-04-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Just got a pair of GPS antennas on the roof and I'm interested in both getting as accurate a position survey as I can, and in comparing the performance of the two antennas -- one is a choke ring, the other a Motorola Timing2000. I'm using an M12+ receiver. I have TAC32 but am interested in

[time-nuts] GPS antenna with direction orientation?

2011-04-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
A couple of years ago I picked up a surplus Aeroantenna choke-ring GPS antenna that I think was intended for surveying use. I finally got it installed today and noticed that it has an arrow on the bottom indicating that the antenna should be oriented with the arrow facing north. I'm trying

Re: [time-nuts] HP106B crystal oscillator

2011-03-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Dave, I haven't seen an actual Manson standard, but I do recall that one was listed in an ancient Tucker catalog (from the early 80s). I'm just now unpacking my library after our move, and should soon uncover that catalog if I still have it. Let me know if you'd like me to scan the Manson

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement for TADD-1?

2011-03-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/4/2011 12:22 PM, Dan Rae wrote: Does anyone know if there is a planned or upcoming replacement for the Tapr TADD-1? We're working on a very high performance distribution amplifier that will replace the TADD-1 and also be available in a single-channel version for isolation/buffer amp

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Here's a measurement we did a few years ago on the HP 58535A: http://www.febo.com/pages/hp_gps_splitter/port_1_hp_58535a_two_port_amp.png John On 3/4/2011 1:31 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Ok, now it's pretty obvious the RF world near your GPS will be changing a *lot* in the near future.

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