Re: [time-nuts] PC clock comparison software?

2006-12-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Peter Vince said the following on 12/20/2006 10:11 AM: I could be talking a lot of hot air, so please forgive me, but I've had a thought: if PCs still use a Real Time Clock chip, could a hardware modification be done to give them an accurate clock frequency, rather than relying on

Re: [time-nuts] PTS 250

2006-12-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I have pinouts of the BCD connector at http://www.febo.com/hardware/PTS/index.html. Note the big red warning sign -- the first 250 I had was in some way goofy and that led me down an erroneous path for the pinout. The pinout described for the 160 is correct for all the units (at least the

Re: [time-nuts] Happy 5th anniversary, Time Nuts

2006-12-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak wrote: Speaking of timing, today is the 5th anniversary of our time-nuts mailing list. Thanks to all of you who have made this such a great list over the years. The quality of the postings has been rather amazing. For example, the long posting two days ago by Brian Kirby

Re: [time-nuts] PTS 250

2006-12-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: I have pinouts of the BCD connector at http://www.febo.com/hardware/PTS/index.html. Screwed up the URL -- it's http://www.febo.com/time-freq/hardware/PTS/index.html Sorry about that. John ___ time-nuts mailing list

[time-nuts] [Fwd: Austron 2201 MANUAL (fwd)]

2006-12-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
This got caught in the spam filter for some reason. Sorry for the delay in fishing it out. John - Forwarded message from SCOMM - From: SCOMM [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: time-nuts@febo.com cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:17:25 -0600 I AM LOOKING FOR A DATUM-AUSTRON 2201

[time-nuts] Solar storm propagation effects?

2006-12-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm not sure if this timing is right for the coronal ejection to hit earth, but I see from my NTP plots* that my WWVB receiver apparently lost lock at about 0200 UTC last night. It looks like it recovered within a half hour or so (I'll need to look at the logs in more detail to figure out the

Re: [time-nuts] 10811D's on eBay

2006-12-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I was about to mention, but you beat me to it... I've just finished modifying a stack of Soekris net4501s using Poul-Henning's hardware mods and his nanoBSD configuration that runs from flash card. Details on the hardware mods are at http://www.febo.com/time-freq/ntp/soekris/index.html. I still

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 4-Port GPS SmartSplitters' on eBay

2006-11-29 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
From a closer examination of the photos, it looks a lot like the old HP splitters -- I wonder if Symmetricom took those products over when it bought the TF business? John Jason Rabel wrote: John, For some reason your first reply didn't show anything in the mailing list archives. I

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 4-Port GPS SmartSplitters' on eBay

2006-11-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Jason Rabel said the following on 11/28/2006 01:26 PM: Just a heads up, someone has been listing a bunch of Symmetricom 090-58537-01 4-Port GPS Active SmartSplitters' on eBay. Usually about 3 or 4 at a time. I managed to win one for $41, but I've seen them ending at over $125! So if you are

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 4-Port GPS SmartSplitters' on eBay

2006-11-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hal Murray said the following on 11/28/2006 08:09 PM: From the pictures I couldn't tell for sure -- are those N connectors? Yes. I had to search the data sheet to find the answer. Thanks! ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] FMT -- 40M strangeness?

2006-11-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Really interesting analysis, James. I'll need to do some checking to determine my distance from W1AW, and where that puts me in the skip zone. John James Maynard said the following on 11/19/2006 02:08 PM: John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Without giving away any actual numbers, did anyone else

[time-nuts] FMT -- 40M strangeness?

2006-11-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Without giving away any actual numbers, did anyone else notice either a fuzzy signal, or some interference within about 1 Hz of W1AW on 40M? I recorded the entire test run and have been unable to prove to myself exactly where W1AW is; almost any sample of data I select shows two signals within

Re: [time-nuts] FMT

2006-11-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 11/16/06, John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bert -- We tend to talk about FMT techniques before the test, and a little bit about propagation, etc., afterwards. But I don't share, and I don't think anyone else should share, results until after the submission deadline

Re: [time-nuts] FMT

2006-11-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
That's interesting -- from your earlier message, I thought they were still running the Harris exciters for the test itself. It'll be interesting to monitor the drift during the test. My plan is to record audio (W1AW plus my known-frequency marker) of all three bands simultaneously for the whole

Re: [time-nuts] FMT

2006-11-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Colin -- Actually, the transmitters used for the FMT seem to be very stable and as far as I've been able to observe (during each of the 4 FMTs since they restarted the event) don't drift by a noticeable amount during the test. I'm actually more concerned about the ARRL's measurement setup

Re: [time-nuts] FMT

2006-11-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Colin -- Actually, the transmitters used for the FMT seem to be very stable and as far as I've been able to observe (during each of the 4 FMTs since they restarted the event) don't drift by a noticeable amount during the test. I'm actually

Re: [time-nuts] FMT

2006-11-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hal Murray said the following on 11/10/2006 04:52 PM: I think one of the reasons this method works so well is that the FFT effectively averages the signal over some time, and I use a tool in the software to derive an average across all the FFT results. That smooths out the instantaneous

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Ulrich Bangert wrote: Agreed! But you are talking about things that happen INSIDE the physics package, don't you? Ok, let us assume that there WERE big differences in the physics packages that need to be compensated for. In THIS case the tunable synthesizer would indeed make sense and even

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811A/B OCXO OP/SRV manual is online at hparchive.com

2006-11-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Not HP, but it seems that manuals for Austron gear are always hard to find. At the moment, I'd like to find one for the 1210D portable clock. John Jack Hudler wrote: Thanks John, I wonder if the group has any requests. I'm working on a personal project to scan a considerable archive

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1210D-03

2006-11-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
be nice to get it back to original. I may just have to go with external backup batteries. - 73 - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ackermann

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1210D-03

2006-11-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:52 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1210D-03 My local Batteries Plus was able to order the cells for me. They're called F cells and are normally

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 28, Issue 5

2006-11-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Didier Juges said the following on 11/05/2006 09:42 AM: Anyway, how do you compute the Allan Deviation of a sun dial? Oh, God, now someone's going to do it... John ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] HP 8642a Fan Fixed

2006-11-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Doug Millar said the following on 11/03/2006 09:57 PM: Should we be considered certified time nuts? or just certifiable? Depends on whether you're traceable to NIST... ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

[time-nuts] Announcing the TAPR Clock-Block Clock Synthesizer

2006-11-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Sorry for the advertisement, but I thought this would be of particular interest to the folks on these lists. Some time ago I mentioned that I was working on a clock synthesizer board that could be used (among other things) to get much better timekeeping for applications like NTP. The idea is to

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium Drift

2006-11-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak wrote: I've recently acquired a Rubidium Osc ( Efratom FRS-C 10Mhz) as my first venture into this field. It's working as per the spec given ,checked against Trimble GPS with 1pps output. Can you point me to somewhere where there is a description of the physics behind the

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium Cesium video

2006-10-29 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
One word: Cool!! John Tom Van Baak said the following on 10/29/2006 01:18 AM: For those of you who are both chemists and time nuts, here's an amazing video about rubidium and cesium... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2134266654801392897 Do any of the UK readers know

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - continuing saga...

2006-10-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Didier Juges said the following on 10/28/2006 12:18 AM: The clock shaper uses a commercial 10.7 MHz IF transformer, readjusted down to 10 MHz (see schematic at http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/2_GPS_Stuff/Clock_Shaper.jpg). It provides light loading to the OCXO through the 390 ohm

[time-nuts] Austron 1210D-03 Manual?

2006-10-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I managed to pick up the Austron 1210D-03 portable clock that was offered up here a little while ago, and the thing is ticking away nicely on my bench. However, I don't have any docs for it, and in particular the PPS sync and slew controls on the front aren't entirely self-explanatory. Does

[time-nuts] Austron oscillator coarse adjust?

2006-10-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
While messing with the 1210D-03 I found that the frequency is a bit low (about -1Hz) and is beyond the range of the fine adjust on the front panel. There's a coarse adjust hole on the rear panel, but using various tuning tools including a long, thin screwdriver I can't seem to engage the

Re: [time-nuts] ARRL FMT

2006-10-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
They only do their measurement at the time they announce each band, but all the signals are running simultaneously so you can use them if you dare. John Didier Juges said the following on 10/27/2006 09:06 PM: It is back to the previous method of sending a clean CW signal. I did not

[time-nuts] Suggestion: Collect circuit designs/measurement setups at www.febo.com/time-nuts wiki

2006-10-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I set up a wiki at http://www.febo.com/time-nuts quite a while ago with the idea that it might serve as a place to collect various useful bits of information. It really hasn't had any use at all to date. Some of the recent discussions here lead me to suggest that we try to revive the wiki and

Re: [time-nuts] How to measure Allan Deviation?

2006-10-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Didier -- I have written a bunch of simple programs for GPIB data gathering, using perl and the linux-gpib libraries under Linux. However, the code is pretty straightforward and it should be easy to extract the command strings to send to the counter. From that, you should be able to re-write

Re: [time-nuts] How to measure Allan Deviation?

2006-10-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Didier, a few comments embedded below. John Didier Juges said the following on 10/22/2006 10:34 AM: Hi Warner, Does it mean I should divide the 10 MHz down to 1 Hz output and use the 5370 to measure TI compared to it's internal timebase once per second, and feed that to the

Re: [time-nuts] How to measure Allan Deviation?

2006-10-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Dr Bruce Griffiths said the following on 10/22/2006 07:19 PM: An inexpensive modern time interval counter with a power dissipation of less than 10 watts and a resolution comparable to the 5370 would be useful for such comparisons especially if the experiment lasts several months. I don't

Re: [time-nuts] How to measure Allan Deviation?

2006-10-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Dr Bruce Griffiths said the following on 10/22/2006 07:33 PM: Didier If you are going to use a PPS divider to divide the oscillator frequency down to 1Hz, you will need to measure the inherent jitter of the divider to ensure that it doesn't degrade the measurement resolution. It may be

Re: [time-nuts] How to measure Allan Deviation?

2006-10-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Dr Bruce Griffiths said the following on 10/22/2006 08:24 PM: Reading between the lines on the Jupiter GPS receiver datasheet it would appear that the 10KHz output is phase modulated at 1Hz to realign it to successive PPS output pulses. As the PPS jitters about so does the 10KHz signal.

Re: [time-nuts] How to measure Allan Deviation?

2006-10-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
not have the 10811 time base. This will also be a lot easier on the UPS, as we do loose power here somewhat regularly (but not for long, unless a hurricane is involved) during the stormy season. Thanks for another great suggestion. Didier John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths said

Re: [time-nuts] ARRL 2006 Frequency Measuring Test

2006-10-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Henry Knoepfle wrote: The November QST has an announcement for the 2006 Frequency Measuring Test ( www.arrl.org/w1aw/fmt - though the 2006 announcement has not made it to the website yet). The object is to determine as accurately as possible the carrier frequency of a signal sent from W1AW on

Re: [time-nuts] ARRL 2006 Frequency Measuring Test

2006-10-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Yes, I should have put up a link with my other message: http://www.febo.com/time-freq/fmt. In addition to info about my measurement technique and my results from each year's test, there's a link at the bottom of the page to some pictures from the 2003 test. We have some newer ones but I

Re: [time-nuts] HP8568B firware eproms anyone ?

2006-10-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 10/18/2006 05:48 PM: I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B, anyone know ? I'm pretty sure that the '66 firmware is different than the '68, or I'd offer to copy mine for you. I think this is the second report of eprom

Re: [time-nuts] Time Nuts in the news

2006-09-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
You make us proud, Tom. :-) John Tom Van Baak said the following on 09/28/2006 08:06 PM: It was only a matter of time before google led a curious reporter to our mailing list. Let me know if this shows up in your local newspaper in the next few weeks...

Re: [time-nuts] Chip-scale Atomic Clock !

2006-09-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Brooks Shera said the following on 09/19/2006 06:48 PM: The excerpt below from GPS World refers to a Chip-scale atomic clock being developed by DARPA. Does anyone know what technology they might be using for such a clock? Atomic Clock Synchronization The U.S. Navy Space and Naval

[time-nuts] [Fwd: More on Len Cutler]

2006-09-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thought this would be of interest to the group... Original Message Subject: More on Len Cutler Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:45:33 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Len Cutler Leaves a Lasting Legacy Agilent mourns the loss of Len Cutler, Agilent Distinguished

Re: [time-nuts] distribution amplifier

2006-08-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following on 08/25/2006 10:23 PM: Hi Didier, I tried this with a Maxim video amp, and my 10MHz noise floor went from -155dBc/Hz on the input to about 80-90dBc/Hz on the output of the amp. 80dBc is great for Video (generally arund 50dB SNR), but for timing

Re: [time-nuts] distribution amplifier

2006-08-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hal Murray said the following on 08/26/2006 03:39 PM: That's interesting. The MAX477 video amp that is used in the TADD-1 (http://www.tapr.org/kits_tadd-1.html) does a lot better than that. Here is a phase noise plot of the TADD-1 at 10MHz; it is better than -105dBc at 1Hz and reaches a noise

[time-nuts] An example of phase noise

2006-08-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thought this might be interesting. I took a spectrum analyzer shot of my ICS525 Clock-Block synthesizer at 250MHz, and overlaid it with a shot of an RF signal generator (Marconi 2202A) at the same frequency, and using the same reference source. The 2202A is designed for bench use and isn't noted

[time-nuts] MJD Javascript?

2006-08-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Being very lazy, I wonder if anyone has a bit of Javascript lying around that converts the current time to MJD and displays it? I thought it would be cool to put that on some of my plot pages so you can readily figure out the age of the data. John ___

Re: [time-nuts] MJD Javascript?

2006-08-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Lots of goodies on that page; thanks! (And thanks to tvb, too, for the link to his converter). John Joseph Gray said the following on 08/20/2006 03:23 PM: You can steal some routines here: http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/astron-3.htm - Original Message - From: John Ackermann

Re: [time-nuts] Query: Interest in clock synthesizer module -- useful for stabilizing PC timekeeping (among other things)

2006-08-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: There's information about my prototype (and a picture) at http://www.febo.com/time-freq/hardware/ICS525/ Running at 200MHz, the third harmonic at 600MHz is only down -11.5dB, while the 5th

[time-nuts] TADD Enclosure Now Available

2006-08-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
We're pleased to announce that the TADD Enclosure is now available. It's an attractive metal case designed to hold any of the TADD series boards. You can get more information, and place an order, at http://www.tapr.org/kits_tadd-enc.html (click on the small pictures on the web page to see

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Dividers

2006-08-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Randy Warner said the following on 08/08/2006 03:23 PM: I have been seeing a lot of traffic concerning making 10MHz frequency dividers using PIC's. While they provide an elegant solution to providing an accurate 1PPS from a precision source, I have to ask if there is a reason for going this

[time-nuts] Oncore VP Commands Document

2006-07-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi All -- Randy Warner asked me to host (at least temporarily) the 2MB manual for the original Oncore VP. I have it at http://www.febo.com/time-freq/hardware/VPCommands.pdf John ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement

2006-07-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
manual (John Day) 5. Re: GPS jamming (Robert Atkinson) 6. Loran timing experiment (John Ackermann N8UR) 7. Re: Leap second letters (Glenn) 8. Re: Leap second letters (Tom Van Baak) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:12

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2100R Manual? Or Info?

2006-07-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Rob K - Original Message - From: John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:46 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 2100R Manual? Or Info? I picked up a 2100R Loran receiver

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 lockin behaviour

2006-07-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Magnus, I like Tom's idea of plotting the 10MHz with no GPS signal, to see if it's the oscillator or not, but I would go one step further and disconnect the EFC input from anything to rule out any noise in the control circuitry. John ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] New frequency standard, Mercury better than Cesium?

2006-07-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much test equipment ends in a land fill? RoHS also addresses this, the manufacturers have to take back old equipment and dispose of it properly. Actually, this is covered by a different set of rules in

Re: [time-nuts] HP 3325B Function Generator and GPS based frequencycontrol

2006-07-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I've always been curious about the 3325A vs. B -- there is more price spread between those two than just about any other HP A vs. B model. What's the difference between them, and is it worth anything like that much (obviously, Mike doesn't think so :-) ). I've been happy with my A model,

Re: [time-nuts] Low Cost GP-IB PCI card?

2006-07-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following on 07/08/2006 11:58 PM: I found that USB-GPIB controller. Looks like BSD and Linux are supported. http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=549 Hi, I bought one on Ebay, they work quite well. They used to be $99 at

Re: [time-nuts] Low Cost GP-IB PCI card?

2006-07-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
bytes of attached devices. That were two of the major reasons why i preferred them against other cheaper circuits. Regards Ulrich Bangert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Ackermann N8UR Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Juli 2006 13

Re: [time-nuts] Low Cost GP-IB PCI card?

2006-07-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Ulrich Bangert said the following on 07/09/2006 11:19 AM: John, of course, because it is simple serial communication, you don't get an real pc interrupt on a device SRQ as would be possible with a hardware GPIB pc card. You have to ask the interface in a fast manner to check for the status

Re: [time-nuts] Low Cost GP-IB PCI card?

2006-07-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Glenn Powers said the following on 07/08/2006 05:27 PM: Can anyone recommend a low cost GP-IB PCI card (and cable) that works with FreeBSD and/or linux? The National Instruments GPIB-PCI card goes for around $200 on eBay and works well with the Linux-gpib driver. John

Re: [time-nuts] Time Interval measure mesurements

2006-06-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bruce Lanning wrote: I am trying to compare my Freq, Std, HP-Z3801A GPS Receiver, to my home brew Freq Std. using my Freq. counter, a HP-5245L with a Time Interval Unit (HP-5262A) Plug in. Can someone help me. My counter Time Base opens about 6-8 times and then gives me a reading like

[time-nuts] Administrivia: Thanks!

2006-06-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks to all who've sent me their message files. I'm sure I have enough to work with now to reconstruct the archives. By the way, if any of you aren't aware, you can access the time-nuts archives by going to http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts. Unfortunately, they aren't searchable (yet)

[time-nuts] June Archive fixed

2006-06-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks to everyone who sent their message collection, or offered to. The June 2006 archive has been rebuilt and should be working fine. If you see any problems, please let me know. John ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Repair of 5370B input channels

2006-06-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Jim Miller said the following on 06/08/2006 07:33 PM: Hi, I recently acquired two 5370B counters with bad input channels. One has a bad start channel, the other a bad stop channel. I have traced the problem to the input board A3, which is the board directly behind the BNC connectors

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8160A manual?

2006-06-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Christopher Hoover said the following on 06/08/2006 09:11 PM: I'm looking for a Spectracom NBS Frequency Standard Receiver Model 8160A manual that I might copy/scan. Can anyone help? Christopher, I have an 8164 manual which I think would cover almost all of the guts of the 8160. I am hoping

Re: [time-nuts] Entry level systems

2006-05-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
be measured is 50nS, even though it has 0.1nS resolution. It does not have GPIB. This model had a D/A output option, but my unit does not have it. Thanks Didier KO4BB John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Keith E. Brandt, M.D. said the following on 05/24/2006 06:06 PM: What's a good entry-level

Re: [time-nuts] Entry level systems

2006-05-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Keith E. Brandt, M.D. said the following on 05/24/2006 06:06 PM: What's a good entry-level time reference system? I'm doing this for the fun/learning/hobby and can't dump $10k into it (without also incurring the attendant lawyer's fee for the divorce settlement :-) I think

Re: [time-nuts] Entry level systems

2006-05-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following on 05/24/2006 08:23 PM: Hello John, I have several HP 5334's (A and B), and there is a trick how you can get from 2ns (2E-09) resolution to 10ps (1E-11) on these great units. To measure a 10MHz reference at 100micro Hertz resolution: * Do an

[time-nuts] Announcing the TADD-3 Pulse Distribution Amplifier

2006-05-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
TAPR is pleased to announce that the TADD-3 PPS distribution amplifier kit is now available. The TADD-3's primary use is to distribute 1 pulse-per-second signals such as those obtained from GPS timing receivers, but it can work with pulse signals up to at least 10MHz. The TADD-3 provides six

[time-nuts] TADD-1 and Spectracom 8140T Phase Noise

2006-04-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I had a chance today to take a TADD-1 and one of the Spectracom 8140T amplifier modules over to a friend who has an HP 3048 phase noise measurement system. We got some very encouraging results. First, as a point of reference the HP 5087A distribution amp is spec'd at 5MHz to have phase noise

Re: [time-nuts] TADD-1 and Spectracom 8140T Phase Noise

2006-04-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
John Ackermann N8UR said the following on 04/23/2006 05:02 PM: First, as a point of reference the HP 5087A distribution amp is spec'd at 5MHz to have phase noise less than -145dBc(1 Hz) 1kHz from the carrier. We did our tests at 10MHz, so the results are precisely comparable

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Geoff Powell said the following on 04/23/2006 05:42 PM: Is PPS kernel discipline compiled into the default FreeBSD kernel? No, but it's a pretty easy thing to turn on -- you add a line to the config file and tell it to go. Pretty straightforward, *once* you find the instructions. I am not

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8140T distribution amps

2006-04-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak said the following on 04/22/2006 01:47 PM: Forget the spec, whatever it is. How about actually measuring what happens to the quality of the signal when you add the N+1st tap? Were these taps meant for precision work? And is that quartz precision (1e-9) or cesium precision

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8140T distribution amps

2006-04-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Brooke Clarke said the following on 04/22/2006 01:51 PM: Hi John: eBay auction 7605840019 says up to 25 boxes on the master coax. But I suspect it's a function of the power supply in the main box. 73, Brooke Clarke Ah, thanks. I did some power measurements at one point but didn't

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8140T distribution amps

2006-04-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bill Janssen said the following on 04/22/2006 01:33 PM: You might try spectracom for info on that distribution amplifier. I included a URL that you can try. I didn't read the info so you may have to contact Spectracom for additional info.

Re: [time-nuts] Loran - any good for timekeeping?

2006-04-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hal Murray wrote: The US is keeping Loran-C going as a backup for GPS as well. How good is Loran for timekeeping? How does it compare to WWVB? What sort of receiver do I need? Any good how-to type web pages? I'm in Silicon Valley. The NIST map says that WWVB should work here,

Re: [time-nuts] Loran - any good for timekeeping?

2006-04-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
the time so it ticks over on the UTC second edge. Then do a real TOC sync. More at: http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/A2100F.shtml#2100T Have Fun, Brooke John Ackermann N8UR wrote: M. Warner Losh wrote: Can't you recover the time by tracking multiple chains and using

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna (50ohm) and Satelite Splitters and Amps(75ohm)

2006-04-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Don -- I know of several folks who've used the satellite stuff with pretty good results, so I'd give it a try. I may be wrong about this, but my gut feeling is that you would want to arrange things so that the longest cable runs (with the most loss) would be terminated in their characteristic

Re: [time-nuts] D-Links NTP server vandalism

2006-04-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 04/09/2006 02:07 AM: No, I don't think so. But I've since found out that the abuse pretty much all stratum 1 servers, including several .edu, .gov and .mil servers. Now they probably regret they didn't just pay off my claim from the start. I'm also

Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
(and rephotograph) later today. Sorry about that. John John Ackermann N8UR said the following on 04/09/2006 11:14 AM: This morning I took 'scope shots of three 74AC04 gates paralleled through 47 ohm resistors, and of a single gate through a 47 ohm resistor. There's very little difference

Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Robert Lutwak said the following on 04/09/2006 04:04 PM: I suspect you're just measuring the bandwidth of your 400 MHz oscilloscope. -RL That could well be, though since 74AC is supposed to have a slew rate of 2v/ns, I'm measuring not too far from what you'd expect -- and the main goal was

Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 04/09/2006 04:07 PM: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: For what it's worth, the risetime of the MAX232 output is about 2.5us, in a very smooth ramp -- it's spec'd at 4 v/us. I have heard that the risetime is deliberately slow

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A - How to convert the 1PPS 10MHz Differential Pseudo ECL Output?

2006-04-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I didn't convert the PECL signals, but instead went inside the unit and tapped off the 1pps and 10MHz signals. I have details at http://www.febo.com/time-freq/gps/z3801a/mods/index.html John Don Mimlitch said the following on 04/09/2006 08:41 PM: I have a HP Z3801A which outputs the 1 PPS

Re: [time-nuts] IC for 1 PPS Output

2006-04-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: I've got the TVB 1 PPS PIC circuit working and would like to add an output IC to drive 50 a couple of Ohm cables. Need two outputs, the normal 1 PPS and also the 10 kHz output since I think it would work with the SRS app note for making 1,000 TI measurements in

Re: [time-nuts] IC for 1 PPS Output

2006-04-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
. I'll try that when I'm finished reading the mail. Have Fun, Brooke John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: I've got the TVB 1 PPS PIC circuit working and would like to add an output IC to drive 50 a couple of Ohm cables. Need two outputs, the normal 1 PPS and also

Re: [time-nuts] Self Test Error 2 on HP 3325

2006-03-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
My 3325A often shows an amplitude calibrate fail at poweron, but if I wait a few seconds and then hit the cal button, it passes. Not sure if that's the same thing as you're seeing or not. John Mike Feher said the following on 03/18/2006 10:20 AM: Ulrich - I do not know what you mean by

Re: [time-nuts] Self Test Error 2 on HP 3325

2006-03-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Ackermann N8UR Gesendet: Samstag, 18. März 2006 16:33 An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Self Test Error 2 on HP 3325 My 3325A often shows an amplitude calibrate fail at poweron, but if I wait a few seconds and then hit

Re: [time-nuts] OSA 8600 Oscillators

2006-03-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hans H. Jucker wrote: For sale OSA 8600 BVA Oscillators (see specs.: http://www.oscilloquartz.com/file/pdf/8600.pdf) Hi Hans -- I'd be interested in one. What's the specific model number, and the price? Thanks, John ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation Tool

2006-03-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Very nice, Tom. Thanks! John Tom Van Baak said the following on 03/15/2006 08:12 PM: Someone asked a few weeks ago about a tool to compute Allan deviation. There are quite a few that I use, but here's a write-up about a simple windows command line tool that I use.

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation Tool

2006-03-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
By the way -- it builds just fine under Linux without any changes. gcc -lm -o adev1 adev1.c will yield an executable, with one warning because main() doesn't return an int. John John Ackermann N8UR said the following on 03/15/2006 08:55 PM: Very nice, Tom. Thanks! John Tom

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5061A at auction

2006-03-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hal Murray wrote: Not that I need one, but what's a ballpark price for one in working condition? This is a broad range, but probably $1500-2500. A lot depends on the condition of the tube. John ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5061A at auction

2006-03-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Hal Murray wrote: Not that I need one, but what's a ballpark price for one in working condition? This is a broad range, but probably $1500-2500. A lot depends on the condition of the tube. I should qualify that my knowledge is based on private sales

Re: [time-nuts] Time Interval Analysis over GPIB

2006-03-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bob Kupiec said the following on 03/13/2006 02:07 PM: I was wondering if any has written any time interval analysis tools to run over GPIB from a HP/Agilent frequency counter? What I'd like to do is automatically collect data to generate Allan Deviation and Phase measurements over various

Re: [time-nuts] FTS4060 Continuing Saga, GPS rain

2006-03-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Brooke, don't know if this will be of any help as you're looking at your 4060 (and it may or may not be of any interest to the group as a whole) but I'm about 15 days into what I hope will be long-term monitoring of my two 5061As and one 5065A against GPS. I'm using a setup that should be

Re: [time-nuts] Thought experiment on a low cost timing board

2006-02-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The TAPR Reflock II board (designed by Luis Cupido) is shipping now and will discipline a VCXO to 1pps, or to other frequencies. I'm traveling now and don't have the exact URL handy, but www.tapr.org will have a link. I've spoken with Luis about using the Reflock to synthesize an appropriate

Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me? Good Links

2006-02-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Brooke -- Did you remove any linear offset before generating thorse plots? They sure look a lot more like an Xtal aging with offset removed, than a Cs. I wonder if it might be related to your use of the 1MHz output, rather than 1pps, to drive the stop input. Maybe you're slipping cycles

Re: [time-nuts] Rcvrs/xmtrs that can slave to frequency standards

2006-02-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tim Shoppa said the following on 02/05/2006 05:05 PM: I discover that I am in posession of a WJ-8716 which happens to have a BNC on the back for an external 1MHz reference. I also have a Z3801A that makes 10MHz. Is it as simple as turning the 10MHz PECL into TTL, dividing by ten (e.g. 7490),

Re: [time-nuts] Selecting server hardware (newbie question)

2006-01-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Allen Coates said the following on 01/27/2006 10:11 PM: I am trying to select a host machine for a dedicated NTP server. I have several spare PCs to hand, with processor speeds around 500 MHz - all my budget will allow for the moment. Initial experiments have been with Fedora core 4 and

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Rob -- Yes, that's too large to send through the list (with over 200 subscribers now, that adds up to a lot of bytes!). Best thing is to host it somewhere for list members to download if they desire. John Rob Kimberley said the following on 01/21/2006 02:37 PM: To all those wanting

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