blueye wrote:
Thank you to all the posters. Thoroughly entertaining. Just one
question.
Where can I get my bits cryogenicly frozen and once frozen what
improvements can I expect:-)
Blue
Cryogenic treatment works best for cool jazz.
Mnyb wrote:
With quantum problems you must seek out all cryogenic tweaks to get
it sorted ,maybe you can freeze your bits, put the post on an USB stick
keep it in the freezer for 24 hours :)
Thank you to all the posters. Thoroughly entertaining. Just one
question.
Where can I get my bits
Dogberry2 wrote:
Some brands of digital audio equipment use recycled electrons. That can
make the bits weaker (unless they are treated with slightly greasy solar
atoms).
The recycled electrons actually sound better, as the sharp digital edges
have worn off.
Some brands of digital audio equipment use recycled electrons. That can
make the bits weaker (unless they are treated with slightly greasy solar
atoms).
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SBGK wrote:
The issue with the Touch is all the junk it is trying to do at the same
time as play music which introduces noise into the signal.
And that noise, if it exists, can be measured. Would you happen to have
any measurement results that support your view?
garym wrote:
Bit perfect can be tested and measured. Nothing subjective about that
particular metric. But yes, the OP only proves what sounded better to
him.
Or what he *thought* sounded better to him , if sounded (soundwaves
traversing the room) should be an actual physical event apart
Mnyb wrote:
Or what he *thought* sounded better to him , if sounded (soundwaves
traversing the room) should be an actual physical event apart from the
experience you have in your brain .
There is two parts of this the actual event electricity travels down
some wires and make your
I forget what I was Googling when I ran across this thread, and I'm very
sorry to drag it up from the dredges, but I read every page with quite a
bit of amazement.
What the original poster implied (I think) is that he made a SUBJECTIVE
decision that one method sounded superior to another, thus
dragon1952 wrote:
I forget what I was Googling when I ran across this thread, and I'm very
sorry to drag it up from the dredges, but I read every page with quite a
bit of amazement.
What the original poster implied (I think) is that he made a SUBJECTIVE
decision that one method sounded
garym wrote:
This thread is starting to remind me of a posting I really like from
another forum regarding the typical audiophile response to being
questioned about his beliefs:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=92856view=findpostp=785522
Repeated below:
Pascal Hibon wrote:
Windows 7 users might want to read this:
-There is a gross problem with the Windows 7 RECORD Sample Rate
Converter. This problem actually dates back to Windows Vista, and is
also a problem with Windows Server 2008. This problem causes spectral
contamination of the
garym wrote:
OK. Aubuti and I just don't understand because we're either too lazy,
too stupid, or too poor. But SBGK understands your points. 'nuff said.
;-)
ad homimem attacks, Gary, I think you have lost the argument.
SBGK wrote:
funny how other forums look at hydrogenaudio as a bunch of kooks and
here they are revered, nuff said !!!
What other forums?
The almost dead Stereophile forum?
The just about dead Absolute Sound forum?
The only pattern I see here is that the forums which have a decidedly
No no silver is best for USB1.0 copper is better for USB2.0 .2.0 is
faster and must be tamed with the more mellow copper ;) and is there
synthetic material in those ? Asphalt saturated hemp is the best.
But I'm actually astonished that there is no paper/oil/lead/asphalt
cables in hifi ? It's
Mnyb wrote:
No no silver is best for USB1.0 copper is better for USB2.0 .2.0 is
faster and must be tamed with the more mellow copper ;) and is there
synthetic material in those ? Asphalt saturated hemp is the best.
But I'm actually astonished that there is no paper/oil/lead/asphalt
SBGK wrote:
funny how other forums look at hydrogenaudio as a bunch of kooks and
here they are revered, nuff said !!!
You're confirming that at the other forums, the inmates are in charge
of the asylum.
garym's
On 10/5/2012 3:40 PM, ralphpnj wrote:
Mnyb wrote:
No no silver is best for USB1.0 copper is better for USB2.0 .2.0 is
faster and must be tamed with the more mellow copper ;) and is there
synthetic material in those ? Asphalt saturated hemp is the best.
But I'm actually astonished that there
SBGK wrote:
funny how other forums look at hydrogenaudio as a bunch of kooks and
here they are revered, nuff said !!!
Even more funny is how in other forums some are very good in quoting
studies to proof things (often totaly out of context and wrongly
interpreted) and linking to pdfs of AES
gerardhn wrote:
What is the added value of the last 4 threads, replies?
Silly science leading to silly conclusions presented within silly
comments will breed silly replies.
Audio/Science Value? Zero
Comic Value? 8/10
ralphpnj wrote:
I was going to write a long winded response along the lines of since
when does believing in scientifically proven facts (digital data, i.e.
bits are either 0 or 1, there are no other choices) make one part of a
cult, etc. However your response is just so much nicer and to the
SBGK wrote:
so the take away is that the Touch is the perfect digital audio device
If this is what you think people have been saying in this and other
threads on this topic, then you have completely misunderstood.
SBGK wrote:
bits are either 0 or 1
can't argue with that, not in this forum anyway, if that is the level of
your thinking then it is quite legitimate to compare that dogma to that
of a primitive cult.
so the take away is that the Touch is the perfect digital audio device,
at least in
This thread is like a train wreck. We know we shouldn't watch, the
outcome is predictable and ugly, yet we watch anyway.
Amen, brother.
Bits, by definition, are either 0 or 1. This is a FACT and there is
nothing to argue.
Pah, you're just being sucked into the religion of those dogmatic
Soulkeeper wrote:
Pah, you're just being sucked into the religion of those dogmatic idiots
who invented digital computing. You should free yourself from that kind
of primitive thinking, and go live in the woods without electricity. You
know, out in the woods, bits can be whatever they want,
What is the added value of the last 4 threads, replies?
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What is the added value of the last 4 threads, replies?
When you post audiophool nonsense, what sort of responses do you expect?
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Oh no, another bad case of Bit Rot!
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superbonham wrote:
Dear SBGK, could you please repeat your latest post? At my PC it is
shown completely scrambled - potentially due to hyperenergetic quantum
acceleration side effects or the influence of the flying spaghetti
monster producing bad bits. In the meantime I will spend all of my
Mnyb wrote:
With quantum problems you must seek out all cryogenic tweaks to get
it sorted ,maybe you can freeze your bits, put the post on an USB stick
keep it in the freezer for 24 hours :)
It's funny that you should state this because after reading SBGK's post
I did exactly that, i.e. I
gerardhn wrote:
Sorry to disturb this incestuous forum of equal writers and
thinkers.
+???
now you know what it is like to question the tenets of a cult.
Only the faithful will be saved.
Only members of our church will be raised when the Rapture comes.
Only our sect will survive
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gerardhn wrote:
...Not to be arrogant.
Too late.
And, to borrow a comment I made elsewhere on the forum, it has always
struck me as rather ironic that the subjective evaluation adherents
don't think are they affected by subjective bias.
This is so strange,
I report to my honesty that I hear an obvious difference between Jplay
and Touch.
I only want to mention that. Not more not less.
I say you need an high end system to hear the differences.
I�m just curious how this is possible.
Now my wondering is the following: why
If you have set the Touch up to pass bit perfect digital data to you
DAC, yet you are hearing differences with different transports, then I'd
consider changing your DAC to one that better rejects the analog noises
and distortions that accompany the digital data and which are causing
you to hear
gerardhn wrote:
This is so strange,
I report to my honesty that I hear an obvious difference between Jplay
and Touch.
I only want to mention that. Not more not less.
I say you need an high end system to hear the differences.
I�m just curious how this is possible.
Now my
Gary's,
You are really talkingnonsense!
So i can get 6000 plus Posts.
Where did i posta statement about bit perfect? I posted a observation
about a difference and asked a question about bit perfect.
I don't see any fact or science from you or your equal posters. Only
nonsense.
Happy to
gerardhn wrote:
I say you need an high end system to hear the differences.
Here is a response from someone with the exact same touch - cp-800 -
ca-2300 - bw 802di (+ a too high amount on cabling).
First of all, gerardhn, I have the opinion that your posts are a bit
aggressive. This is a
gerardhn wrote:
Gary's,
Where did i posta statement about bit perfect?
Hmmm, my mistake. Someone else with your exact name is saying this
earlier in the thread:
gerardhn wrote:
Logitech touch is not bitperfect. Today I took day off to compare the
following:
[remainder of post
Aubuti,
Thank for your writing in line with the discussion .
Again repeated for the 100 time I never make a diagnosis
Read the the subject as defined by me.
I make an observation. I make suggestion, a hypothesis , a suggestion ,
that touch bits are not perfect. Please follow discussion
gerardhn wrote:
I make an observation. I make suggestion, a hypothesis , a suggestion ,
that touch bits are not perfect. Please follow discussion line.
Please search this forum or use google, etc. There is plenty of
documentation already there. There is no need to suggest a hypothesis
about
All, hopefully we've now moved beyond trying to convince the OP that the
bit values are not being changed by the Touch at full volume and without
replay gain etc.
What I wanted to raise is whether asynch USB fully eliminates the
influence of the source computer. It would seem that one needs
Garym,
What is said on this on this forum does not be true for me. It became
clear to me that most people with thousands of threads ...
Leave it.
Questioning you I didnot see, read, cannot see, cannot read any
evidence why touch is perfect. Except I can see people with thousands of
threads
gerardhn wrote:
I think it is a CPU, interrupt, memory management problem.
I think you may be right. Looking at the source code of the Touch,
interrupts may occur in the middle of a bit. Then, in the interrupt
handler, free() is being called and releases only half of the bit.
Albeit being very
Sbellon,
Yes of course, the solution (or problem) is in this area.
Can share to you that today I played with a setting in this field:
buffer tuning (experimental). Must admit that setting very large (USB
only) ... Sounds better. Did not try the last option: very large and
randomise CPU. (USB
sbellon wrote:
I think you may be right. Looking at the source code of the Touch,
interrupts may occur in the middle of a bit. Then, in the interrupt
handler, free() is being called and releases only half of the bit.
Albeit being very rare, in sum several bits can get lost. As JPlay does
Triode wrote:
sbellon wrote:
I think you may be right. Looking at the source code of the Touch,
interrupts may occur in the middle of a bit. Then, in the interrupt
handler, free() is being called and releases only half of the bit.
Albeit being very rare, in sum several bits can get
Triode wrote:
Please explain what you mean that interrupts occur in the middle of a
bit?
Ouch, I would have thought that it is obvious from my posting that I'm
not serious about what I wrote without the need for irony or sarcasm
tags. I just could not hesitate to write my posting when
azinck3 wrote:
Triode: I'm fairly certain sbellon was joking.
That was my interpretation too ...
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Triode: I'm fairly certain sbellon was joking.
OK - apologies then... :)
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Ouch, I would have thought that it is obvious from my posting that I'm
not serious about what I wrote without the need for irony or sarcasm
tags.
Damn, now you spoiled the fun. Just as it looked as if you had managed
to hook a troll on his own bait. A brilliant post imo,
aubuti wrote:
Damn, now you spoiled the fun. Just as it looked as if you had managed
to hook a troll on his own bait. A brilliant post imo, surpassed only by
the OP's Yes, of course response.
Sorry, for spoiling that soon, but I got worried as Triode seemed to
take my posting serious. My
No worries, you're absolutely right that you, triode, and others have
better things to do than play-acting, regardless of how entertaining it
may be for the rest of us.
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This thread is like a train wreck. We know we shouldn't watch, the
outcome is predictable and ugly, yet we watch anyway. :)
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Sballon, Happy to know we have different sense of humor! What a
brilliant contribution. But very soon the true thinking comes out:,
newbie, with no understanding of.. entering (meaning me), and well
respected experts (meaning himself). I invite some native English
speakers to find the right words
toby10 wrote:
This thread is like a train wreck. We know we shouldn't watch, the
outcome is predictable and ugly, yet we watch anyway. :)
+1 (really should be +1,000,000)
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Sorry to disturb this incestuous forum of equal writers and
thinkers.
+???
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newbie, with no understanding of.. entering (meaning me), and well
respected experts (meaning himself).
Just to make this clear: By no means I consider myself an expert
regarding audio processing. I was referring to the other regulars in
this forum who tried to explain things
gerardhn wrote:
Sorry to disturb this incestuous forum of equal writers and
thinkers.
+???
+1 is typical internet forum speak for I agree with what the quoted
post said.
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gerardhn wrote:
Sorry.
I have to disappoint you all. Destroy your belief of knowing it. Being
a clever expert. Hardest to admit for a man. But sorry. Ok Here I go.
Logitech touch is not bitperfect. Today I took day off to compare the
following:
There is a difference between being bit
Windows 7 users might want to read this:
-There is a gross problem with the Windows 7 RECORD Sample Rate
Converter. This problem actually dates back to Windows Vista, and is
also a problem with Windows Server 2008. This problem causes spectral
contamination of the audio reducing performance to
Garym,
You make me a bit angry.
This are real facts :
1.I know this thread, I find it a shit discussion. Intellectually. Of
people of who prejudiced from their cleverness. Your thread, your link
is pseudo scientific opinion reasoning.
2. Did you ever compare yourself??? I�m sure you never
gerardhn wrote:
Garym,
You make me a bit angry.
This are real facts :
1.I know this thread, I find it a shit discussion. Intellectually. Of
people of who prejudiced from their cleverness. Your thread, your link
is pseudo scientific opinion reasoning.
2. Did you ever compare yourself???
garym wrote:
Nothing to get angry about. As I mentioned, you are free to live in your
own truth bubble. You are not alone. There are many audiophiles
that have a hard time with digital music and the concept that a $200
player can do the same job as a $20,000 player. Believe me, I understand
Ok, so how many *bits* are missing?
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Ok, so how many *bits* are missing?
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toby10 wrote:
Ok, so how many *bits* are missing?
Just the ones that give the music presence;-)
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gerardhn wrote:
This are real facts :
1.I know this thread, I find it a shit discussion. Intellectually. Of
people of who prejudiced from their cleverness. Your thread, your link
is pseudo scientific opinion reasoning.
And your line of 'reasoning' is not even pseudo-scientific. As Triode
gerardhn wrote:
Sorry.
I have to disappoint you all. Destroy your belief of knowing it. Being
a clever expert. Hardest to admit for a man. But sorry. Ok Here I go.
Logitech touch is not bitperfect. Today I took day off to compare the
following:
Nas-ethernet-logitech-usb out-classe cp
SBGK: you understand the story. Your formulation is perfect. (also
shocking for some)
Aubuti and Garym: you simply dont understand the pointe. Feeding the
same dac with the same usb cable in the same room with the same ripped
music... sounds clearly different.
Is that not good enough to make
To add another thing.
Dont try understand meanings as 3d depth, stereo imagine from 2000 $
amp/ speaker set. Despite it is more money than most people spend. These
meanings just dont come out. Not to be arrogant.
gerardhn wrote:
Feeding the same dac with the same usb cable in the same room with the
same ripped music... sounds clearly different.
Is that not good enough to make conclusion? For me thats scientific
enough.
Well, it is scientific enough to conclude that, in your opinion,
gerardhn
OK. Aubuti and I just don't understand because we're either too lazy,
too stupid, or too poor. But SBGK understands your points. 'nuff said.
;-)
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This thread is starting to remind me of a posting I really like from
another forum regarding the typical audiophile response to being
questioned about his beliefs:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=92856view=findpostp=785522
Repeated below:
Paragraph 1, righteous
bluegaspode wrote:
In my experience turning the volume knob a tiny bit to the right makes a
huge improvement.
Much more details in the listening space and the sound gets a warm and
welcome timbre.
So much bang for no bucks :-)
What volume knob?
Dear users,
I,am using the standard touch over edo asyn usb feeding high end system.
I'am happy with it, maybe one remark, bass somewhat lean But ok.
One question in head is: is this perfect feeding of my dac
Does the touch make a perfect dig out? (no because of small CPU, cheap
gerardhn wrote:
Dear users,
I,am using the standard touch over edo asyn usb feeding high end system.
I'am happy with it, maybe one remark, bass somewhat lean But ok.
One question in head is: is this perfect feeding of my dac
Does the touch make a perfect dig out? (no because
touch is bit-perfect provided that volume is 100% and no replay gain is
used.
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Ah yes. Forgot that part.
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garym wrote:
Ah yes. Forgot that part.
But that's nitpicking it still humanly transparent with typical,music
material with a reasonable use of the volume controll.
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Mnyb wrote:
But that's nitpicking it still humanly transparent with typical,music
material with a reasonable use of the volume controll.
yep, I use replaygain (smartgain in LMS) and I try to keep my digital
volume between 75% and 100% for normal listening.
In my experience turning the volume knob a tiny bit to the right makes a
huge improvement.
Much more details in the listening space and the sound gets a warm and
welcome timbre.
So much bang for no bucks :-)
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