Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread janith
---Trisquel 6 MAYBE gets released around the time of Ubuntu 13.04- ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail will be Release 18 April 2013[wikipedia]. that mean again Trisquel 6 @ a huge delay. :-(

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread chris
Thats right. Now I recall. It is a pack system as you describe.

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread chris
Cinnamon shouldn't be a problem to use. It's based on Gnome 3. The additional proprietary pieces are third party and not developed by the project. Removing them should be easy.

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread andrew . roffey
> I don't think there is any issue with basing a distribution off the Linux Mint Cinnamon edition which is based on Ubuntu. What the advantages of that might be now... I'm not sure. I think Cinnamon might be a good desktop environment to build off although I lack the knowledge as to what it w

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread tegskywalker
I remember trying Linux Mint Debian when it came out and was a mess. Packages always breaking and this was the testing repositories. They eventually moved to an update pack system and even though they are tested, they are out of date. Ubuntu and their derivatives like Trisquel add an extra

Re: [Trisquel-users] Mumble won't connect to servers in Brigantia

2013-03-08 Thread matt . ivie
Okay, I'm not sure if this is a bug with drivers for my soundcard or not, but it seems like it could be. I've narrowed down a way to make mumble work everytime. If you open mumble and go to the Audio wizard, then on the second screen there is a check box for "Positional Audio". You un-check t

Re: [Trisquel-users] String to change?

2013-03-08 Thread lloyd
Thanks - the gettext solution in the linked thread worked nicely. It's a bit hacky but it gets the job done. Cheers!

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread chris
I love Debian on the server although it has major shortcomings on the desktop. I think the main advantage to Ubuntu is stability, desktop support, and packages that are newer than in Debian. It would be nice if there was a Debian flavor geared toward the desktop that was more up to date. Un

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread andrew . roffey
Hmm, I was thinking similar thoughts yesterday on my walk. My thoughts below: Advantages * Debian focuses more on freedom than Ubuntu (as you already pointed out). This would mean less work removing non-free software, recommendations and occasional branding. * Debian and Ubuntu have many s

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difficulty compiling from source

2013-03-08 Thread ejectmail
"I do think a simpler solution could exist." Did you leave out a "not" there?

[Trisquel-users] Re : Difficulty compiling from source

2013-03-08 Thread magicbanana
Once both the offline and the online system have apt-offline installed, you can install/upgrade anything in three commands (remembering to plug the removable device before each of them): one of the online system (item 8), one on the online system (item 10) and one back on the offline system (

[Trisquel-users] Re : After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread magicbanana
Like Ubuntu's LTS, Debian roughly releases a new version every two years. Could Trisquel come back to it (even though gNewSense wants to do the same)? Debian is more stable, raises less freedom issues and is more in sync with the free software development community. I mean Ubuntu basically is

Re: [Trisquel-users] String to change?

2013-03-08 Thread tedious
Found this after a quick duckduckgo search, http://askubuntu.com/questions/140742/how-do-i-change-the-desktop-name-on-the-unity-panel#140756

Re: [Trisquel-users] String to change?

2013-03-08 Thread tedious
Found this after a quick duckduckgo search, http://askubuntu.com/questions/140742/how-do-i-change-the-desktop-name-on-the-unity-panel#140756

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difficulty compiling from source

2013-03-08 Thread chris
:) It does look tedious written out like that although I'm sure your spot on that it is easy with GUI.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difficulty compiling from source

2013-03-08 Thread chris
Yes- I'll have to look into it the next time somebody needs a program for 'offline' installation.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Just found a delicious irony sandwich from Microsoft...

2013-03-08 Thread felipe . lopac
Thanks for the info, icarolongo :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] String to change?

2013-03-08 Thread chris
:) I don't know. It is interesting that you have installed unity though.

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread chris
First off- this definitely has my full support. I didn't have a chance to read the meeting notes. I wish I hadn't missed this meeting. I actually do have concerns I think we should look into despite being an advocate of this approach. In any case the meeting does sum up exactly what I've be

[Trisquel-users] Re : Moral Dilemma With Gaming/Drivers

2013-03-08 Thread magicbanana
I did not even know this project existed... but I do not see the point in our case: the page says it is based on Mozilla Gecko code. As a consequence, the page will be rendered like in Firefox and not like in Internet Explorer.

Re: [Trisquel-users] A troubles with some websites

2013-03-08 Thread tedious
Out of curiosity, which web browser are you using? And, did you install any addon's/extensions?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Remaining issues in Trisquel 6.0

2013-03-08 Thread myself600
Thank you for helping me out. Can you ask him, if he permit the merge of his and my toutatis-development wiki page together? If so, I would probably do that tomorrow.

Re: [Trisquel-users] A troubles with some websites

2013-03-08 Thread andrew . roffey
Hmm there was a person having a similar problem last year[1]. Nobody else is having this issue, so it appears to be a bug or you have accidentally misconfigured something. Can you try using Safe Mode? (see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Safe_Mode) Also try following these instructions: http://kb.

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread ejectmail
Right on! I like this idea.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Just found a delicious irony sandwich from Microsoft...

2013-03-08 Thread ejectmail
>"Microsoft, who is basically the king of fighting against not just free software, but the weaker "open source" as well." Microsoft does, however, maintain two free software licenses. Still, both of them are certified GPL-incompatible by the FSF. (Even when Microsoft does free software, the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Just found a delicious irony sandwich from Microsoft...

2013-03-08 Thread icarolongo
YouTube HTML5 Javascript is non-free[1]. Is better if you use UnPlug or Flash Video Downloader(you can download video in WebM or copy URL to clipboard and see on default player from Firefox/Abrowser) [1] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2012-November/msg00190.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] Just found a delicious irony sandwich from Microsoft...

2013-03-08 Thread tedious
[sarcasm] They're clearly implying that they'll be more than happy to port *and* release the free software games on their new platform. [/sarcasm] Or, someone doesn't like royalties. ;p (At the end of the vid, in super tiny letters, are the game names)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Just found a delicious irony sandwich from Microsoft...

2013-03-08 Thread felipe . lopac
It's because Microsoft licenses didn't gave Microsoft Research permission to use images and videos of their own games :P The video works without extensions, by the way (fallbacks to HTML5)

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread felipe . lopac
I always liked the idea of limiting to LTS versions and do backports when possible. I think that this can benefit a documentation/translation project since all contributors can focus on the same version and have more time to work on it.

[Trisquel-users] Just found a delicious irony sandwich from Microsoft...

2013-03-08 Thread onpon4
I found this video accidentally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re1EatGRV0w I suggest watching it, and other YouTube videos, with the UnPlug extension instead of the embedded player. At any rate, what's hilarious, if you didn't see it, is that the games shown are Red Eclipse (for most of the

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread tegskywalker
I didn't see the meeting notes from a few days ago (or their existence) and that is a good thing that it is agreed upon. Some things I would like to see included in the user repos: 1. nginx: https://launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/stable 2. MariaDB: https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/reposit

[Trisquel-users] A troubles with some websites

2013-03-08 Thread rafalstefaniak1990
Hi. When I installed a GNU/Linux Trisquel I don't have a many troubles with daily computing, but when I want a watch some videos on YouTube I have a huge problem with Trisquel and other distros - when I want a open a YouTube web site, I only see a text, without images and videos, and this sa

Re: [Trisquel-users] Moral Dilemma With Gaming/Drivers

2013-03-08 Thread chris
You've never heard of this? I think there are a few others too. It isn't perfect though as it won't let you test (or did not in the past) interactive content. Much more of the web is interactive today than it ever was in the past.

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread viniciussm
To summarize the meeting: * Yes, we will do LTS only. * We will open a user repository so the community can submit their backports (newer software like gimp 2.8, etc)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Moral Dilemma With Gaming/Drivers

2013-03-08 Thread onpon4
> Users who have IE installed will not understand what's going on when they try > to access a page and see some bugs. They will instantly blame the developer, > so it's the developers job to make sure his work will look good on every > browser. Yeah, that's perfectly fine. I understand comp

Re: [Trisquel-users] Moral Dilemma With Gaming/Drivers

2013-03-08 Thread onpon4
> Running Internet Explorer (a proprietary application) on Wine does not turn it > "free". Who said it does? I said *Wine* Internet Explorer: http://wiki.winehq.org/iexplore Technically, I suppose they just call it "iexplore", after the name of the executable.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Moral Dilemma With Gaming/Drivers

2013-03-08 Thread cyberhawk
I did not want to steer anyone to running non-free software. That's the last thing I'd do, I really admire the philosophy Richard Stalman developed and I believe he is the greatest thinker of our time. But as Mark wrote, "I want to use Windows because I need Internet Explorer to test my HTM

[Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-08 Thread tegskywalker
There has been some debate on this topic recently, but hear me out: 1. In April 2013, all versions of Trisquel prior to 6 will lose their support. No more package updates or security fixes will be made available from Ubuntu for Trisquel to use. Trisquel 4 (based on Ubuntu 10.04) loses suppo

[Trisquel-users] Re : Moral Dilemma With Gaming/Drivers

2013-03-08 Thread magicbanana
Running Internet Explorer (a proprietary application) on Wine does not turn it "free". I am not arguing against it though... as long as the goal is the development of something "right" (not SaaS for example).

Re: [Trisquel-users] Moral Dilemma With Gaming/Drivers

2013-03-08 Thread onpon4
Running a nonfree program personally isn't unethical because it is you who is being victimized, but steering someone towards nonfree software is. I'm no web developer, but I'm a software developer. Unfortunately, Wine is too limited for cx_Freeze (a free program which "freezes" Python program

[Trisquel-users] Re : Difficulty compiling from source

2013-03-08 Thread magicbanana
Again: the basic 'apt-offline' package does not depend on anything that is not already installed on the default system. One it is installed, you will be able to easily install any additional package (in particular, 'apt-offline' will take care of dependency resolution)... including apt-offlin

Re: [Trisquel-users] Moral Dilemma With Gaming/Drivers

2013-03-08 Thread cyberhawk
Wow, that's a neat idea. Never heard of browsershots before! Still, somewhere, someone has to run IE in order to make a screenshot. Won't help much if the site being tested is still in development and has to be made IE-compatible before release...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Moral Dilemma With Gaming/Drivers

2013-03-08 Thread cyberhawk
If you develop a webpage, you need to test it with the browser, that is being used by your target group. So if you want to test it with IE, you either have to install Windows in order to do that, or go the route I described. Do you think that's unethical to test a webpage with IE?

[Trisquel-users] Re : Difficulty compiling from source

2013-03-08 Thread magicbanana
It is not manual: apt-offline "does" the three steps I listed. In other words, the user only runs three commands (the first one on the offline system, the second one on the online system and the third one back on the offline system) and needs not care about the work normally achieved by apt

Re: [Trisquel-users] Difficulty compiling from source

2013-03-08 Thread chris
I clearly didn't follow on thing about the above. The way your describing this to me sounds like it is a manual process. Why should the user have to list all of the dependencies of a package? The whole advantage of the modern packaging system is to avoid that. Doing it manually would drive an

Re: [Trisquel-users] Moral Dilemma With Gaming/Drivers

2013-03-08 Thread holger . beetz
Hi, I can not comment using Blender on Trisquel running Noveau. In general I would not go for the "double medium price" solution (2x 9500GT). A GF 9800GT or even better a 9800GTX will provide a much better performance than a doubled 9500GT plus the fact that open source drivers most likely