Re: [Trisquel-users] So what about the new Trisquel? Is it going to be released?

2017-12-13 Thread enduzzer
I'm still confident that Ruben's not thrown in the towel by a longshot. The HURD will emerge as the second in the race and the shining trophy will go to Trisquel. Who the also rans are, if any, I'm not sure. GnewSense?

Re: [Trisquel-users] So what about the new Trisquel? Is it going to be released?

2017-12-13 Thread masonhock
https://xkcd.com/1508/

Re: [Trisquel-users] So what about the new Trisquel? Is it going to be released?

2017-12-13 Thread contact
While we are on the topic, when is the new GNU Hurd going to come out? There has been a bit of a development lag and am looking forward to the next iteration. It has been over a year I think. GNU HURD FTW!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Testing The Trisquel 8 Upgrade Process

2017-12-13 Thread jason
It is probably not realistic to expect people to try out every single package.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
>I'll be very aggressively shipping my X200s this week, as many of them as I can, and I'll be bringing people here to write positive reviews about their laptops that they've bought. When I read things like this from Leah, I just get amazed... Honestly I have no words. Do you think you are

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread masonhock
I'm sorry this happened again, Leah. Thanks so much for all of your hard work. I'm glad that a variety of vendors can ethically distribute freedom-respecting laptops that you made possible. Forum posts do not seem to be the best medium for providing information about products from any of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
>Get real. The history of events: I also share the view that everything happened in the way that Tiberiu said. >Oh Leah, I read the kinds of you like open books. Stop this nonsense, get real and do better job for the customers that trust you. Don't wait for them to complain (request to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
Zotis, I completely share your appreciation about Minifree business model just caring about making profit. I am not agaisnt that. But business can be made and should be made with nice manners and not with bad business practices and as far as I am concerned, I do not see any of them present

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread enduzzer
This is getting totally out of hand. Ridiculously predictable, though. You call refund and free replacement "buying silence"? A business has no other obligation. Leah has gone to great lengths to amend her mistake and yet you fail to appreciate anything that she's been doing to set things

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
Of course you did not refunded me and we do not want a refund now. We just wanted to tell our experience. Are you able to deal with that once and for all? Stop misleading people who just read one post and not the whole thread inventing constantly the facts of the case. I have made

Re: [Trisquel-users] Uruk 2.0 Last Touches

2017-12-13 Thread trisquellist
TL;DR I've tried out Uruk GNU/Linux 2.0 beta2. I liked it. What this is: This post is a little feedback / review on trying to try out the second beta of Uruk 2. I half expected that the final release would be out before this post, and that's indeed what happened, but I'll post this

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
Why should I answer you whenever you want about whatever you want having into account that you did not reply the emails we sent you nor to the calls we made you for over 12 days? Even more, how are you able to manage a business if you are not able to bring back to you the facts of the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Testing The Trisquel 8 Upgrade Process

2017-12-13 Thread jamesbythesea
Hey All, I compiled a list of packages that are in T7 from apt-list. Sadly, I haven't been able to do much testing this week because I've had a few things come up. If there's anyone interested out there in checking whether packages work during the T8 upgrade process, it might be nice if we

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread contact
Have to disagree on that policy, the whole point is Libre tech. If a company is making false claims, such as they are Libre, and then turn out to be not so Libre, we need to know. If someone is using blood CPU's. that is pretty important. Remember, Richard Stallman got arrested by ATI (now a

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread leestrobel
Yes, this is really silly. If people have a customer grievance, then they should really take it up in private. It's not healthy for the free-software community to be backbiting each other like this :-(

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
I literally do not defraud or deceive my customers. I literally ship every order, or refund when requested. The comments by this person and Tiberiu in this thread are blatant, consistent, concentrated attacks against me. I ship almost every order, in good time, and the products that I sell

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread ablocorrea
No, I'm not and you are right, I'm sort of new in this forum (not first time in a public forum, though). I just have been getting more and more nervous about this conversation going nowhere and getting harmful, while at the same time the conversation stopped being respectful at some point.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
No answer? Very well: Here's what happened: either you didn't ask for refund/repair/replacement, or you did ask and I provided it. Despite what you claim to the contrary, I didn't defraud or mistreat you either. True, I messed up your order, I freely admit that, but what you've said

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Despite what you claim to the contrary, I serve most of my customers well. Their order is shipped in reasonable time, in good quality. In the rare circumstance that I do mess up an order, such as yours, I always promptly offer to send a replacement or repair the unit, or otherwise fix the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Hence "if I recall correctly". Can you remind me what actually happened?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
>if I recall correctly at the time, you didn't want me to send a replacement unit or provide a refund because you didn't trust me to do it... No, I am sorry. You are lying again about our order. That never happened.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread enduzzer
Anybody would get paranoid with this amount of trashing. You make it sound like she killed your pet dog. Why don't you cut some slack and tell us if you're going to accept Minifree's free replacement or not. I haven't seen you address that point so far, though I haven't been looking

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
>Btw There is a difference between a critic and a troll food for thought? So your customers should in the future also expect you to call them trolls among other things when you make a mistake with them? Wow, you are doing better.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
Please Leah, do not continue. I just wanted to share a review with others and you are turning things worse again and again. If the experience of my family was just one out of few errors in the businesses trajectory of Minifree just face it and let people at least to express themselves.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread contact
I like cats.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread enduzzer
Ruben the leader of the project, aka Quidam, has the final say. There are moderators. David is one of them.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread contact
@gnustatyc, are you an official person here? I see that you are sort of new. Who has final say so on these forums? Is that you? Who writes the policies and guidelines? The Terms of Service? For the sake of clarity and such.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Testing The Trisquel 8 Upgrade Process

2017-12-13 Thread lcerf
About the GPG, it does not look like APT knows about it. Executing the following command in a terminal will import it: $ apt-key adv --fetch-keys http://jenkins.trisquel.info/archive/trisquel/trisquel-archive-signkey.gpg That said, you only show warnings. Contrary to errors, warning do not

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Btw There is a difference between a critic and a troll food for thought?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
>False. Allow me to speculate about the timing: you announce the relaunch of one of your products and invite people to buy from you. This reminds people that they don't have a good experience with your company and your products. So they come forward. That is exactly how it happened. After

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread enduzzer
I wouldn't call it fighting. It's more like good old bullying. And it's not Leah whose doing the bullying. It's a man's world, after all. That said, Supertramp has a point, as always. There's only so much we can do to help. Leah would be wise to ignore all this shit thrown at her. Take this

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
I just want the trolling, the FUD and the slander against Minifree to stop. It has repeatedly been suggested, in this thread, that Minifree deceives its customers and that it ships poor quality products and provides low quality service. These suggestions are 100% false. Until today,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
I'll say it once more: your order was a mistake. I rectified it as best i could. You chose not to exercise your rights. You are still well within your right to either receive a refund, repair or replacement of any faulty product that you received. I'll also say this once more: your bad

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread s1lv3r1997
Couldn't agree more with Supertrump83, this fight is pointless.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread greatgnu
>I sincerely hope that people do not believe their statements about me Well, I say I don't know neither one of you, for I never met you but I can judge from waht one writes and does on this forum. When I come here I want to share tips and learn about free software, and eventually joke. And

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread contact
Hrm, this does not sound entirely fair. We regularly post (justified) criticisms of entities like AMD, Intel, Nvidea, Lemote and the like. I do not see why small entities should be excused. However, it can be done in a civil manner. At this time, there is not much in the way of forums to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
The problem is that you compare Minifree with Technoethical but you cannot deal with a review of a customer making a real comparison between the two companies. According to my experience Technoethical is not sending laptops which are not clean, written with tippex, without Bluethooth,

Re: [Trisquel-users] So what about the new Trisquel? Is it going to be released?

2017-12-13 Thread greatgnu
*savannah :P

Re: [Trisquel-users] Booting error after installing Linux-libre kernel.

2017-12-13 Thread greatgnu
:P

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
I request that all of Technoethical's posts in this thread be deleted, along with any posts related to the dispute that I had with them. The negative review against Minifree should be moved to a separate thread. The threads promoting Technoethical should also be deleted. They are spam,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
In fact, Technoethical (aka Tiberiu) posted on this very thread, threatening Minifree legally.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread ablocorrea
Exactly. That is the way to go. To someone else that wrote in this thread his/her experience with minifree and to all the people that Leah or Technoethical will at some point ask for a review... DON'T DO IT HERE. There is a thousand web pages where you can write reviews about online shops,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread enduzzer
Moreover, it's critical that his never happens again. I remember "them" threatening with legal action "if". So, to protect the users and the community from any such nonsense, any persons who make legal threats should be banned.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Btw I repeatedly said, in this thread, that Technoethical is also a good alternative to Minifree. This, in spite of them spamming about themselves in this thread that wasn't about them. At no point have I ever told people not to buy from Technoethical. I have only ever asked Technoethical

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread enduzzer
If this is the way some people think they are going to make a point, then I'd like to see a new rule adopted here (taken from Modern Vespa). We need to come together and let issues be handled on an individual basis with the vendor -- somewhere else. The Trisquel Frorum is not the place to do

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
^ I 100% agree with this. This is not the first time I've had a major dispute with Tiberiu/Technoethical on Trisquel forums. I want it to stop. I posted this thread here about Minifree's Libreboot X200 with the intention of telling people about it, and answering questions etc. Also taking

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
So hey, Tiberiu. As I said earlier, I don't want to talk to you. I only came to this thread to check up on it just now. Just FYI: I shipped 8 laptops today. I'm shipping many more tomorrow, and on Friday. I'm sending them all to Trisquel forums to write reviews. ~Leah

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
>I mean call me paranoid. No, I am not going to call you anything, however I am not going neither to deny that you read my mind.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
>My Libreboot X200 bought in 2016 is perfect! So? Who wins? As a customer of both companies I can assure you that Technoethical wins ... BY FAR.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
I want it to be known that I 100% agree with loldier and gnutastyc. The purpose of this thread is to promote Minifree's Libreboot X200, and to answer questions about it. Nothing else. I do hope Technoethical will stop trying to trash this thread. I have no intention to continue

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread enduzzer
Don't you worry. It's water off a duck's back. Your gain, their loss.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread enduzzer
Yes, I agree. It should be obvious that this is not the way to go. The community will be ruined by this, eventually.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Testing The Trisquel 8 Upgrade Process

2017-12-13 Thread vltr
Yesterday I tried again to upgrade to Trisquel 8, but I am still having the same problem as when trying to download just Firejail from those repositories. I have tried to add the key of the Jenkins repositories as Magic Banana kindly suggested me but the situation is the same, it did not

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fedora: How to install RPM sources in dnf?

2017-12-13 Thread ablocorrea
Probably this topic can help you: https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/87205/how-do-i-install-a-src-rpm-with-dnf/ Your problem seem quite similar to the one they have. However, this is a Trisquel-Users forum that is also commonly used to discuss about Free Software in general, so maybe

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread ablocorrea
STOP THIS NONSENSE, PLEASE. It's going nowhere and the forum Trisquel-users is not the place to continue this.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread contact
I really like how LibreLeah is looking to get AMD CPU laptops into Minifree's inventory. A few words of caution before jumping in with them, certain mid-range laptops have poor battery life. Up to three hours if you are lucky, so please try to find a device that lasts a little longer, if

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread aggeliszotis
No one wins my friend . At the end all we will lose if this will go on . my beleve is that Minifree must change product name to MiniFree x200 . And Libreleah it was not supposed to Answer at Tehnoetic post for T400s . The tehnoetic do there job . Also Libreleah must do . (Customers have the voice

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread no-email
Ministry of Freedom is better! My Libreboot X200 bought in 2016 is perfect! So? Who wins?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread aggeliszotis
Sorry for Starting this. But personally believe that technoetic is a better company that REALY support Free Software with products and Donations. Also, when I first learn about Libreboot for stallman computing page, I went to libreboot and learn about a MiniFree and then I start to search for

Re: [Trisquel-users] Guix on Trisquel

2017-12-13 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Indeed, I made the same thing with the window list bar. As for the non-transparent parts, I recall that this seems to be a bug somewhere in GTK+, I recall that this might require changing somethings in GTK+ and rebuild it, but it's a long time since I don't search for it. Qt apps unfortunatelly

[Trisquel-users] Fedora: How to install RPM sources in dnf?

2017-12-13 Thread hd-scania
[kali@kali dnf]$ sudo dnf install -y https://sourceforge.net/projects/refind/files/0.11.2/refind-0.11.2-1.src.rpm https://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/27/Everything/source/SRPMS/r/rpmfusion-free-release-27-1.src.rpm [sudo] password for kali: Waiting for process with pid 4960

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Leah: > 3) ...oh look, a competitor is spamming my thread with their product instead. Citation needed. You think zotis is on of your competitors? https://trisquel.info/en/forum/libreboot-x200-returns-minifree#comment-124128 Tiberiu

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Sigh People like me, huh? Get over yourself, sheesh But yeah, borderline sociopaths never know when to quit. So I'm asking you: please stop this madness. Here's a factual account of what has happened in this thread: 1) I posted a link telling people about a newly launched product for this

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Leah: > You also see fit to promote yourself, in a thread that is not about your company, while attempting to de-rail this thread. Get real. The history of events: 1. You announce the re-launch of X200 at Minifree, inviting people to place orders. 2. A forum member recommends buying from

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
As stated before, I wish to stop talking to you. Please stop responding in this thread, and please stop lying that Minifree sells low quality products: it doesn't. Minifree is an honest company, and provides the best quality it possibly can. Your statement that good, decent products from

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Like I said, I don't want to talk to you further. You continue to spread FUD about me, and accuse me of doing the same. I never got anyone to post in your T400S thread. Of course, it's only natural that you'd deny my accusations, while continuing to take part in this thread. Your tactic

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Leah: > It's clear that it is in his best interest to trash me as much as possible That has never been among my objectives. Nor wish that your company didn't exist, as you've accused me of in one of your earlier comments. I just wish, like everybody else, that you stop lying that your prices

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Leah: > It's obvious to me that Tiberiu asked you to do this. The timing is too perfect. False. Allow me to speculate about the timing: you announce the relaunch of one of your products and invite people to buy from you. This reminds people that they don't have a good experience with your

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Leah: > Finding one of my angry customers, someone who was unhappy with the service they received at Minifree, who then told Technoethical about this and bought from them instead, and asking them to vandalize a Minifree thread on the Trisquel forums... this is not an attack? Interesting.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
I want to say that I very much 100% agree with SuperTramp83. I'm not happy at all with what Tiberiu and Technoethical has tried to do to this thread. Successfully, it seems. I sincerely hope that people do not believe their statements about me. It's clear that it is in his best interest to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
So hey, can you stop trying to trash Minifree? It's obvious to me that Tiberiu asked you to do this. The timing is too perfect. I mean call me paranoid but... yeah. I'll repeat again: your order at Minifree was under warranty. So if you did receive a bad product, you were within your right

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

2017-12-13 Thread info
Indeed. As previously stated, Minifree offers a 2 year warranty on all orders. As also stated, I do not wish to discuss with Tiberiu further. You are also quite correct that you are not at fault for what you interpreted as a bad experience. If you want me to do something with your previous