Izzy: Perry, while apparently agreeing with the
thrust of what was said, asked of me:why "sadly".
I tend to think in terms of: The Nature of
God & The Nature of God's Gospel. I hear variations on these almost daily in
the store. Also, on the radio,on lectures to which I listen daily, this
Izzy:I do not consider myself a universalist.If, however, God considered
Himself a universalist I wouldn't be angry.
I believe that Jesus' Humanity is vicarious. In the 'second Adam' all of
humanity, from the first to the last, are included. Any exclusion is not of
God's doing.
Isn't it interes
Izzy:PS to my earlier response. Titles of two books just brought in for
sale: "Bible Proofs of Universal Salvation", "Bible Threatenings Explained:
Or Passages of Scripture Sometimes Quoted to Prove Endless Punishment Shown
to Teach Consequences of Limited Duration"
Lance
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Lance Muir wrote:
Izzy:PS to my earlier response. Titles of two books just brought in for
sale: "Bible Proofs of Universal Salvation", "Bible Threatenings Explained:
Or Passages of Scripture Sometimes Quoted to Prove Endless Punishment Shown
to Teach Consequences of Limited Duration"
Lance
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Terry: I don't sell the DaVinci Code. I do sell books that critique it.
These other two titles were written by a believing universalist. There are
many though I do not count myself among their number.
I am pleased Terry, that it is God and not yourself who will be my judge.
There are occasions af
Whoa, a bit of a misunderstanding here. Lance does not sell the DaVinci
Code. The book he referred to was a title that was writing against the
DaVinci code (in fact he has two books that speak against it - one entitled
if I remember correctly "Breaking the DaVinci Code"). I will let Lance
answer
Lance, I still have no idea what you mean. How did I misrepresent God/gospel? Izzy
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Lance, Have you read them? Do they represent your thinking? Izzy
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Izzy:PS to my earlier r
Lance, What do you mean by "vicarious". Do you mean that everyone goes to
heaven? I don't understand your question. Izzy
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Izzy: I did mean to say that YOU or, for that
matter, anyone on TT misrepresents God or His Gospel. You write well,
You've written a book. What I mean is this:The God of Whom you speak and
the Gospel you preach is not identical with every other believer's God/Gospel.
Surely you've moved in C
Izzy:(adj)suffered or done by one person as a substitute for another;
"vicarious atonement". The vicarious life and death of the Mediator is a
teaching central to that which I believe. I've said so on numerous occasions
and you've 'Amened' it.
No, I don't believe that everyone will go to heaven.
Izzy: Answered in the previous post. Do you understand that some, quite
genuine, believers actually do?
Lance
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> Lance, Have yo
Lance wrote:
> Without once again engaging in what appears to be
> your understanding of syntax vs syntactics, will
> you interpret for me that additional paragraph
> (by TFT).
I don't know where you are quoting from or the context of what is being
said. Can you offer us some more information
David Miller wrote:
>> All men will be judged for their works, but those who
>> are found in Christ have been pardoned for their past
>> sins. Therefore, the judgment of their works is to examine
>> the fruit of their ministry and to give rewards and crowns
>> for what they have done.
DAVEH:
Lance wrote:
> I am pleased Terry, that it is God and not yourself
> who will be my judge.
I think you are going to be very disappointed on judgment day when you
find that God's attitude is very much like Terry's.
Lance wrote:
> There are occasions after reading what some of you
> write that I
Lance wrote:
> Any exclusion is not of God's doing.
This is the crux of our difference then. Do Bill and Jonathan agree
with this?
It seems to me that you do not view Jesus Christ as the Judge. I view
Jesus Christ as sending people to the lake of fire the same way that a
Judge in our modern cou
Jonathan Hughes wrote:
Whoa, a bit of a misunderstanding here. Lance does not sell the DaVinci
Code. The book he referred to was a title that was writing against the
DaVinci code (in fact he has two books that speak against it - one entitled
if I remember correctly "Breaking the DaVinci Code").
Lance Muir wrote:
Terry: I don't sell the DaVinci Code. I do sell books that critique it.
Sorry Lance. I misunderstood one of your earlier posts
These other two titles were written by a believing universalist. There are
many though I do not count myself among their number.
I am plea
David: What does that paragraph mean to you? Don't be embarrassed if you
can't figure it out. TFT certainly won't win any awards for his style. But,
if you'll read it as many times as one of my posts (10) I'm certain that
even you could make some sense of it. Go on David, give it a try.
Lance
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David:Are you aware of: Govett, Whipple, GHLang? I believe they call it
kingdom theology? They teach just what you teach. I carry their books. Lance
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Well, golly gee—I had NO idea there were other ideas out
there beyond the sticks where we’uns live. Thanks for telling me, Lance! J But
obviously the idea is not to find a “gospel” that pleases us and/or
others out there in the real world, but the Real Gospel (ie: pleases God). Izzy
Well, Lance, when we get old we start forgetting who said what after a
while. :-) I had no idea that there could be a Savior other than One who did
suffer as a substitute for others. Izzy
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I'm not sure anyone can be a "genuine" Believer (in God's definition) if
they don't believe in God's promises of eternal judgment for sinners who
reject the Savior. I am assuming you do believe in this. Izzy
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Lance wrote:
> What does that paragraph mean to you?
>
> "...its own semantics. That is to say, the referential
> relations of language must be given priority over
> syntactical relations, while it is only as syntactical
> relations are themselves open through their boundary
> conditions to a c
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The thing that a lot of Christians seem to miss is that both believersand unbelievers will be judged for their works. I preach to Christiansall the time who retort that God will not judge them for their wo
Is not a believer one who believe in the promises of God? I don't recall
anywhere where one must believe in the curses of God to be a member of the
Ekklesia.
-- slade
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You mean you need only believe the "positive" promises, and not the
"negatives"? Izzy
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