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Hopefully, we will be in touch from time to time. I think your presense in this forum has been good. I regret that you feel the need to solve the problem in this way. I do understand, however.
Grace to you
John Smithson
In a message dated 7/28/2004 6:21:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Bill, I don’t want to see you go!
How will Lance and Jonathan hold up without you??? Who will stir us to think
big thoughts??? Missing you already, Izzy
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Behalf Of Wm. Taylor
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6:55 PM
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Judy Taylor wrote:
jt: Say what? You
sure have some high sounding theology Lance and it's getting worse.
You either have this "man is one with God" concept
DAVEH: Is not the "man
is one with God" concept Biblical?
or else you are
making Jesus part of fallen humanity.
I
regret to hear you're leaving. I hope things go well with your future endeavors.
Thank you for your kind words and insights. I know you only as Bill Taylor from
TruthTalk, but you will be missed nonetheless. I am sorry for my
part.
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This will be my last post to TT. I've had
fun and learned from you all. I will miss you very much: you are
family. I am not upset, nor am I shaken. I do not believe my "premises" are
wrong or that I am "barking up the wrong tree," as is frequently the charge -- I
would not be advocating thes
In a message dated 7/28/2004 12:29:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, I do not agree with the part addressed in red. It seems to me that Philip 2 is in contrast to the notion that He did not forfeit any of His divine attributes when He became man. There is no vali
Peace to you, Judy. You do not read for
understanding. If you did, you would understand what I say below by the things I
have said many times before. Nope, yours is a different ambition. You read
only to find something you can use to stir up strife. Well, guess what?
Peace to you. I'm not bi
With the words, "Be fruitful and multiply,"
we may know that we were created for relationship, both with God and
our neighbors. This is koinonia: fellowship,
giving, sharing, participation, communion, community. Prayer is
relational, too, you know. When Jesus left the crowds he did not lea
Scripture disagrees with the
statement below Philippians 2:5-8 says "Let this mind be in you, which was also
in Christ Jesus; who, being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be
equal with God; but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of
a servant, and was made in
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Jesus is who God always intended humanity to be
and who humanity truly is--if only we will yield to God's Spirit and relinquish
the illusory reality of the serpent's lie. As Bonhoeffer put it: "Jesus is not a
man. He is man. Whatever happens to him ha
Thank you, Izzy. Your words are very much
appreciated -- beautifully spoken, too. I'm sure the "Liberals" will agree.
J
Bill
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:33
AM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Perich
You are fine, John.
With the words, "Be fruitful and multiply,"
we may know that we were created for relationship, both with God and
our neighbors. This is koinonia: fellowship, giving, sharing,
participation, communion, community. Prayer is relational, too, you know. When
Jesus left the
ï
John, this is absolutely wonderful. You are very
much on the mark! I am glad you've had the opportunity to listen to Kruger and
see that he is not the bad man that some among us may imagine. Yes, as with all
that is good, fellowship finds it source in the heart of God: Father, Son, and
Holy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/28/2004 10:46:20 AM Pacific
Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In his theology, Gregory Nazianzus advocated the
doctrine of the Trinity, including the
full divinity of both Jesus Christ
and the Holy Spirit. He emphasized that Jesu
"Jesus is who God always intended humanity to be
and who humanity truly is--if only we will yield to God's Spirit and relinquish
the illusory reality of the serpent's lie. As Bonhoeffer put it: "Jesus is not a
man. He is man. Whatever happens to him happens to man. It happens to all men;
and
Preach on brother Smithson!!!Amen & Amen (as
Oral used to say)
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From:
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Sent: July 28, 2004 14:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Perichoresis
In a message dated 7/28/2004 10:46:20 AM
Pacific Daylight Time
In a message dated 7/28/2004 10:46:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In his theology, Gregory Nazianzus advocated the doctrine of the Trinity, including the full divinity of both Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. He emphasized that Jesus did not cease to be God when he became
In his theology, Gregory Nazianzus advocated the doctrine of
the Trinity,
including the full divinity of both Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
He emphasized that Jesus did not cease to be
God when he became a man, nor did he lose
any of his divine attributes when he took on human natu
Izzy: Thanks for giving me more
food for thought - hopefully I'm not a flat world thinker :) I do see
"dance" as an act of worship; Miriam danced and David danced before the Lord.
However, I don't know about the Trinity dancing with each other. Dynamic
relationship to me, sounds more like
Jt, I’m no great defender most of
the ideas of our Liberal friends, as you well know. But please tell me
you are not such a flat world thinker that you cannot understand a metaphor
such as “dance”, which implies not polytheism, but dynamism—a
constant beautiful flow of interaction betwe
In a message dated 7/28/2004 6:42:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really? 'ignore the bad'. Would you make the same application as to conduct? Can one behave 'badly' as well as teach 'badly' then, simply be given a 'pass'?
Calvin did and some of his teaching was right on.
Since the ONLY perfect
person was crucified and is no longer with us in bodily form, I guess we have to
Lance. I'm not the Judge
and neither is John. You don't seem to grasp the difference between
judging doctrine and/or judging people. I do evaluate or judge doctrine
all the time but I
Have I encouraged anyone of you
on TT to go out and buy a Dakes Bible or to follow Finis Dake?
Do I back what I write with
"Dake says" or with God's Word? (my source). There is not one Bible on the
market that is without controversy or criticism Lance. This is the devil's
business and he i
In a message dated 7/28/2004 6:03:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Having said that, I think you may have unwittingly put God in a box by assuming that He always wants His followers (or his animals) in continual close contact. Abraham was a nomad, not a member of a communit
Here are two definitions, one by
Gregory Nazianzus who came up with the word "Perichoresis" in the 4th Century
and the other by Leonardo Boff. Neither of whom appear to understand the
nature of God.
In his theology, Gregory Nazianzus advocated the doctrine of the Trinity,
including the ful
Really? 'ignore the bad'. Would you make the same
application as to conduct? Can one behave 'badly' as well as teach 'badly'
then, simply be given a 'pass'?
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From:
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Sent: July 28, 2004 0
Jt:'can not understand why on bookshelf.."
Demonstrate some ability to think critically, Judy. I couldn't come close to
selling this book (DVC) at the price charged by 'big box stores' so, if I had it
(I didn't say that I did) why then, would I. (reasons other than 'evil
commerce')??
Dake
In a message dated 7/28/2004 5:20:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh! I just thought of something I did hear about - and that is that Benny Hinn got some doctrine he was teaching from the Dakes Bible. Something about each member of the Trinity having a spirit, soul, and bo
In a message dated 7/28/2004 2:27:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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OK Jonathan,
Thanks for sending these references. I've checked them and
have been aware of most of what they expose. Apparently Finis Dake was not a
"perfect" man. However, some of them are critiquing Dake from their own
theological error which is as bad as his or worse. I don't Amen the
Dan Brown is into divination. I
am not interested in anything he would have to say (about anything spiritual
that is) or his book
The DaVinci Code and can not
understanding why it is on the shelf in Christian Bookstores along with other
books refuting his thesis. Guess it must be motivated b
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill, you wanted to see where I was going with this "image" thing.Â
Here it is. Krugers idea regarding "fellowship" as being the very
essence of God has nearly force these ideas into my thinking and the
result is as follows:ÂÂ
(for some reason I cannot change the
Judy says: . To me there is a huge difference between his notes on
scripture and the concept of Perichoresis from the 4th Century which has no
basis in scripture.
Jonathan
replies: Hi Judy, please describe what you mean by the ‘concept of
Perichoresis’. If you are going to disagre
http://www.pawcreek.org/articles/endtimes/DakesBible.htm
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/d46.html
http://www.pfo.org/swaggart.htm
http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/finis_dake_2.htm
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/dangerous_dake_bible.htm
http://sites.onlinemac.com/trwmainst/dake.h
I've been aware of the problems
with Schofield for a long time. He is a devout dispensationalist who believes in and teaches the rapture of
the Church. Dakes is not quite so dogmatic but he also apparently believes there will be a rapture
along the same lines. I don't - but this doesn't mea
Jt:Your criticism(s) of perichoresis and of the 4th
century would be appreciated by Dan Brown (author of The DaVinci
Code).
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 28, 2004 08:10
Subject: [TruthTalk] Why listen to voices
from th
Oh! I just thought of
something I did hear about - and that is that Benny Hinn got some doctrine he was teaching from the Dakes
Bible. Something about each member of the Trinity having a spirit, soul, and body, so Hinn
interpreted that to mean there were nine persons. This was years ago and
Jt:Since 1979? Scofield and his notes has similarly
come under considerable fire in the last 20 years. I'm genuinely surprised that
you wouldn't be aware of this.
Do a 'google' search on both. Do some of that
research that I and all others have come to appreciate in your
posts.
-
I realize and understand that he
is now deceased and what I to the list below is his own story or testimony -
This is the way it is presented. He is not a doctor of the Church Nor is
he some "famed" holy man or theologian who has been elevated to the status of
Church Father. To me there is
I'm not provoked Lance, but you
will need to show me what "theology" you
believe I have imbibed from
Dakes Bible and in what ways it is "dangerous and
heretical" I have a lot of
Bibles and they include Schofield, Thompson, and many
other translations (except
Darby). What do you find so da
I don't use Finis Dake or any
other man as my "source" I like the NASV center column
references also but would not
call them my "source" - they are helps like Strongs Concordance.
I am not familiar with the
"controversy" surrounding Dakes and his Bible. jt
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL P
Jt:Finis Dake IS a 'voice from the
past'.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 27, 2004 20:01
Subject: [TruthTalk] Why listen to voices
from the past.
The excerpt below is part of
the testimony of Finis Dake authored t
Jt:You've just answered my previous question. I do
not wish to provoke you Judy, but, I believe that the theology you've 'imbibed'
is inherently dangerous and heretical in some areas.Being the excellent
researcher that you are, I'm confident you can check this out for yourself. I
stopped car
Jt:Just a suggestion:Do a little research on the
controversy surrounding both Dakes and his Bible. How much of what you've been
writing is 'sourced' from the DB?
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 27, 2004 20:14
Subject: [Trut
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