DAVEH: I am skeptical on this as well, Izzy. I did not post it as
necessarily factual, but rather because I thought it to be interesting.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Does this sound like Jesus was baptized in a cave?
After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold,
the
ShieldsFamily wrote:
DaveH, what
do you think that means? Izzy
DAVEH: Oh boy, Izzy.To answer that invites criticism from
Perry that I'm preaching LDS theology on TT. But, I'll risk his
condemnation. :-)
As I've stated previously, I believe the Lord created
John:We read everything with the eyes of a
pre-existing understanding. That 'reading' includes of vocabulary of our
tradition. That 'reading' includes the distinctive meaning we invest into
Scripture and, draw from Scripture.Standing under thescriptures in order
that the Living Word (our
By your statements below Lance, could I safely assume
that you do not believe God is able to reveal Himself to us by way of His
Written Word because of the power of pre existing bias? I find this
amazing in light of what you posted yesterday. The God who is able to
supernaturally deliver
Jt:Very, very, very sadly: to demonstrate: 1. I
and, perhaps several other participants on TT could have approximated your post
in response to the Smithmeister. 2. You along with the rest of us exhibit
regularly the difficulty that the Spirit of God has with each in breaking down
and
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:13:56 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jt:Very, very, very sadly: to demonstrate:
1. I and, perhaps several other participants on
TT could have approximated your post in response to the Smithmeister.
jt: But Lance I have
not as yet
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:27:45 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just finished reading two books: one is The Great Dance, by Kruger and
the second, the Letter to the Ephesians, by Paul.
--- all of it is a little overwhelming. Much
insight and some questions. I will say that Kruger
Dave Hansen wrote:
Now Izzy, let me ask you what you (or anybody else following this
thread) think it means to become one with God?
=
Good morning Dave. Let me offer a possibility. To become one with God
means
Jt:Thanks for the morning smile. 'Oh that God the
gift would give us to see ourselves as others see us'
Lance, Lance, Lance there you go again! Not knowing
Scripture you quote poets, theologians and philosophers. As for me (and my
house) we will trust the Lord (and his Word).
Judy, other
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:46:31 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jt:Thanks for the morning smile. 'Oh that God the
gift would give us to see ourselves as others see us'
jt: Robert Burns, Freemason,
philosopher, who BTW is referring toa different god.
Lance, Lance,
Terry Clifton wrote:
Dave Hansen wrote:
Now Izzy, let me ask you what you (or anybody else following this
thread) think it means to become one with God?
=
Good morning Dave. Let
Jt:No to the Bill Jonathan guesses. Yes to
the rest though I would not choose words as harsh sounding as the ones you
chose.
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson and
Kruger
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DAVEH: John..would you mind elaborating a bit more on how vs 12-16 help this Mongolian who dies without hearing the gospel, please?
DaveH, when you read that passage (Ro 2:12-16), doesn't v v15-16
DaveH, I cant answer that until you
answer my question more fully: what does we will become one with
them in bringing to pass our immortality and eternal life means specifically.
I think on the surface that sounds nice, but in mormon theology that means
becoming another God, like Jesus. I
Lance, It would be nice if the beliefs
that folks incorporate from Kruger and such made them more Christ like, as a
testimony to their truth. Izzy
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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 4:03
AM
To: [EMAIL
PastorJ:May I slip you an Amen, brother?
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Iz:If he's been paying attention (I'm sure you have
Dave) he does. Not the same thing.
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Sent: August 23, 2004 11:27
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] One with
God
DaveH, I cant answer
that until you
Iz:Ouch!! What I undertook to accomplish the other
day (more for Judy than yourself but you got caught up into it) were examples of
'caricature communiques'. You both exemplify this sort of thing on occasion with
respect to politics theology. Well, the way the two of you felt is the way
John,
I have been reading Kruger and am not, so
far, impressed. But I have decided to withhold judgement until I am
finished. However I have a couple of questions for you. (So I can
make Lances day so that he can ridicule my ignorance.) (1) What do
you see is the difference between
Why, thanks Lance, You're all heart...
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:58:00 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Iz:Ouch!! What I undertook to accomplish the
other day (more for Judy than yourself but you got caught up into it) were
examples of 'caricature communiques'. You both
Right, Lance. You cant see the log
in your own eye. Izzy
From:
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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:58
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson
and Kruger
Iz:Ouch!! What I undertook to
You'd be as wellsticking with the LDS as to
embrace this confusion DaveH.
Actually we don't have to have all the answers.
The secret things belong to the Lord but what has been revealed is for us and
for our children. So unless God has put outer
Mongolia on your heart then the Mongolians
Satan loves to divide and conquer. Izzy
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004
11:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [TruthTalk]
Romans 2:12-16
'Bishop'John:This new and elevated status
Iz:Actually I can and, it's huge. That however, was
not the point you 'see'. In this instance the focus was on Judy and Linda. It's
really not very nice is it? Judy is a little more thick-skinned and just
consigns her critics to 'outer darkness'. You, being more sensitive are hurt so,
in
This is plain old nasty Lance. I don't consign my
critics anywhere other than into God's hands. After all he is the
one
who justifies/condemns. I don't take on what is too
high and wonderful for me - Neither do Iget into political discourse with
persons who have perverse opinions and who
Youre just as sweet as ever, Lance.
Izzy
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Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson
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Iz:Actually I can and, it's huge. That however, was
Iz:Are you quoting the 'church
lady'??
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From:
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Sent: August 23, 2004 13:55
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans
2:12-16
Satan loves to divide
and conquer. Izzy
From:
Jt:Actually we do but, many are brought on by
ourfriends (?) just south of us.Ya know, 500lb gorilla and all. When you
guyz sneeze we all catch cold. It's reall sad that Amerika is in such a state of
decline (Gibbon wrote about it-Barbarians at the gate). Why not write a column
in the local
Jt:Just keep 'slip slidin away' from
reality.
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From:
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Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 23, 2004 14:46
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson and
Kruger
Back to the garden .. and you incarnationists don't
believe that because
Dave Hansen wrote:
Terry Clifton wrote:
Dave Hansen wrote:
Now Izzy, let me ask you what you (or anybody else following this
thread) think it means to become one with God?
In Barbarians at the Gate, the fall of RJR Nabisco - Here is the situation.
The CEO's of some of these corporations get greedy and decide that making
millions per year and having a fleet of their own jets - is not enough. They
want to borrow money and buy the whole company. That is what we
Judy Taylor wrote:
In Barbarians at the Gate, the fall of RJR Nabisco - Here is the
situation. The CEO's of some of these corporations get greedy and
decide that making millions per year and having a fleet of their own
jets - is not enough. They want to borrow money and buy the
Lance, you are the perfect poster boy for
your theology. (Smithson, is this really
where you want to end up???) Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004
12:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Sorry, DaveH, I didn't mean to imply that you were promoting the idea.
DAVEH: No problem. I find it very easy to misunderstand email
discussions.
I
think the cave was more likely a Jewish ritual bathing area.
DAVEH: The suggestion of the use of oil makes me
Dave Hansen wrote:
Here Jesus suggests that oneness is a two way street. The
Father is one with (in) Jesus. Do you see oneness as meaning the
Father is giving himself up as well, Terry?
==
I see this as
In a message dated 8/23/2004 5:50:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:27:45 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just finished reading two books: one is The Great Dance, by Kruger and the second, the Letter to the Ephesians, by Paul. --- all of it is a
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