Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down?

2004-11-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/20/2004 4:44:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Bill and slade for the posts on this topic today.   JBH Yes  --  and Gary, thanks for the suport,.  I will do less defending.  John

RE: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down

2004-11-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
That is absolutely amazing.  For the first time ever G wrote something that I actually understand. Wonders never cease. Thank you! Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
Isn’t that what we’re supposed to do on TT? Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   This has been the most retarded set of posts

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
got it--let's see what else's postd   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:51:28 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: One could say (1) he was awake from verses 1 through the middle of verse 12. Others might say (2) he was awake from the end of verse 11 until the middle of verse 12.

RE: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
One could say (1) he was awake from verses 1 through the middle of verse 12. Others might say (2) he was awake from the end of verse 11 until the middle of verse 12. I prefer the former because having a "vision" does not necessarily insist upon closed eyes and horizontal positioning.   -- s

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
in what verses was Abe awake in Gen 15?   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:52:04 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The text tells us..

RE: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
Avraham is called a prophet, that is true, in the Avimelekh drama. Where does he prophesy? He prophesies on his way up Mt. Moriyah with the wood strapped onto Isaac's back.  THAT, as a matter of fact, is one of the most powerful prophesies in the Bible!   -- slade   As far as Avraham's slee

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
:)   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:13:53 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha   --slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
Jeff in red: - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 20:02 Subject: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants > Jeff wrote:>> You must include Romans 7:7-8:3 at the very least.>> And the whole book to grasp the context of

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
slade and/or Bill--How would you guys evaluate Abe's prophetic status with God before and after the 'deep sleep', below?   G    On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:44:01 -0500 "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || I like the fact that Avraham was in a deep sleep.  || F

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha   --slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 20 November, 2004 19.43To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Cove

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down?

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Jonathan wrote: I like the fact that Avraham was in a deep sleep. I am going to ponder the significance of that. Do not overlook the fact that God was in deep communication with Abraham during this sleep concerning the fate of his descendants as a result of his covenant that he was now cutting wi

Re: [TruthTalk] Walking in the Spirit

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: ... as far as Galatians 4, are you referring specifically to the two women/two covenants or some other aspect of the passage? Yes, Galatians 4:21-5:6. I specifically am interested in you recognizing that Paul identifies two covenants here. Verse 24 says, "two covenants" and Paul ar

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: I had asked in that post if Slade considered a widow who had married another man to have a "renewed" marriage contract or a new one. Slade wrote: The logic is wrong here. We are the widow who are then able to marry our True Husband. We are not divorced from Torah of Moses to mar

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
John wrote: I don't remember Perry being ignored by those on this list. For the record, Perry had complained to me how people ignored his posts of instruction and he did not know what to do to get people to comply. Perry and I both have desired people to quote only portions of people's posts, a

[TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: You must include Romans 7:7-8:3 at the very least. And the whole book to grasp the context of this Epistle. That is why I dislike Cut and Paste Theology, as I said before, it allows one to make any passage of Scripture say what ever is in that persons personal agenda. You are doing the

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
who is it?   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:24:12 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You are arguing with someone who's been arguing the point you're arguing.

RE: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down?

2004-11-20 Thread Jonathan Hughes
One way I use (and for the sake of a disclaimer I do not think this is the only way, nor is it the only way I use) to determine if what one says is of God is the response I feel within me.  When I read this post all my senses gathered up to a zinging point.  And yes I think I just made up t

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
true, John--the content of a post is unique to the poster--one strength of TT is in leaving it at that, e.g.: most posts on TT are significant partic while taken as a whole; like yours, they're simple inquiries and responses which also, collectively, reflect the mind of a certain Int

RE: [TruthTalk] Walking in the Spirit

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
I was going to complain to you about wanting a commentary on HEB 7:1-5... For some reason, every time I looked at the post, my eyeballs saw "Heb" in stead of "Rom." I think I accomplished that in some other post in some other thread. Now, as far as Galatians 4, are you referring specifically to th

RE: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
Oh.. the consequence...   God uses the culture of the person to His benefit and still His Plan comes to fruition. What does this mean? He can even use the Western mindset to accomplish His Goal. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of

RE: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
Perhaps the significance of "walking thorugh the pieces" needs to be understood, and the consequence is rather disturbing.   In the culture of the area and at the time, when a covenant was to be made between two people, animals (owned by BOTH parties) would be cut in half and the pieces plac

RE: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
ï No need to moderate here. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 20 November, 2004 16.32To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology ask the moderator   O

[TruthTalk] Tearing Down?

2004-11-20 Thread Judy Taylor
  Bill wrote:  "And it came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which passed between these pieces" (v. 17). Two parties passed through the pieces, but neither of them was Abraham. It is my contention (i believe tha

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
Dave I had asked in that post if Slade considered a widow who had married another man to have a "renewed" marriage contract or a new one. Maybe you can answer this question for me, and perhaps you also can exegete the passage above (Rom. 7:3-6). Perhaps you have another translation you th

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
This has been the most retarded set of posts ever on TruthTalk. You are arguing with someone who's been arguing the point you're arguing. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 20 November, 2004 16

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down

2004-11-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/20/2004 6:15:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: What list were you on John?  What I noticed was that when Perry spoke nobody did things any different than before. Could this be how he got discouraged and stopped saying anything? I don't remember Per

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Judy Taylor
ï jt: Lance our local churches picketed "The Life of Brian" in Virginia Beach. I can't imagine paying money to see a parody of the crucifixion (ie a homosexual being crucified) for entertainment The way you use the word 'incarnation', TOE, and what you call Relational Theology I find very

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/20/2004 1:29:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: How does one reconcile the mind of Monty Python with the mind of Christ?   Probably the best avenue of reconciliation in this case is the through the means of laughter. John

Re: [TruthTalk] The Example

2004-11-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/20/2004 12:11:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   A young man named John received a parrot as a gift. The parrot had a bad attitude and an even worse vocabula

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Judy Taylor
ï jt: Jeff how is it you don't see any conflict between what you wrote below and your love for MP? Rom 12:2, Don't be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what is the good, well-pleasing, and perfect will of God. I could add: "They a

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
ï I think that MP is the best comedy to come out of Great Britian and those 2 are probably the VERY best! - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 16:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theolog

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
ï then incarnationsl theology is relatively myopic   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:45:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: THE ENTIRETY OF IMMANUEL'S LIFE (from his birth through his ascension) accomplishes..redemption

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
ï My 'Life of Brian' quote was simply an attempt to clarify not to suggest dvd's to rent.   In LOB Brian was being crucified. This accomplishes nothing for HK, whereas THE ENTIRETY OF IMMANUEL'S LIFE (from his birth through his ascension) accomplishes the redemption of HK.   The question of W

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
ï ask the moderator   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:27:05 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jt: How does one reconcile the mind of Monty Python with the mind of Christ?   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:14:24 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeff:I laugh every time I

Re: [TruthTalk] Strong Inference

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
David:Do a 'google' or an 'Amazon' (yikes, did I just say that?) on Alvin Plantinga. Look at his work on warrant. I don't know but that there might exist some similarity between this and 'Strong Inference'.Further, do you possess any understanding of a particular brand of rationalism associated wit

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Judy Taylor
ï jt: How does one reconcile the mind of Monty Python with the mind of Christ?   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:14:24 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeff:I laugh every time I watch the 'dead parrot sketch' or the 'department of silly walks'. - Original Message -

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
myth (re: the Prophets, JC, the Ap Paul and the KoG, a definition emerges--not definitions)   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:50:38 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  ..the power of opinion supercedes Biblical definitions .   -- slade ||

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
ï Jeff:I laugh every time I watch the 'dead parrot sketch' or the 'department of silly walks'. - Original Message - From: Jeff Powers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 20, 2004 16:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology Very cute Lance!

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
ï Very cute Lance! I like the Monty Python reference!! Jeff - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 15:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology Jt:HIS cross Judy, thus the significanc

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
Jeff in red: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants David MillerWed, 17 Nov 2004 06:12:27 -0800 Jeff wrote: I see one covenant. God's covenant with man, begun with Abraham, amended with Moses, Again amended with David. Jeremiah prophesied a renewal, as did Isaiah, etc. That renewal was accom

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
ï Jt:HIS cross Judy, thus the significance of the Incarnation. There I go being abstruse again.   Sorry, sensitive types but, it's the difference between who is on the cross in 'The Life of Brian' and, Who is on the Cross at the conclusion of the LIFE of Jesus.  - Original Message -

[TruthTalk] The Example

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
ï A young man named John received a parrot as a gift. The parrot had a bad attitude and an even worse vocabulary. Every word out of the bird's mouth was crude, obnoxious, and laced with profanity. John tried and tried to change the bird's attitude by consistently saying only polite words, play

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Terry:How right you are in saying:'When God is right there is no wiggle room.' So, allow me to AMEN that then, leave it right there.   thanks brother,   Lance === U be welcome.  ( I don't have a handl

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
Exactly, but the power of opinion supercedes Biblical definitions -- that is my point.   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 20 November, 2004 13.20To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
Terry:How right you are in saying:'When God is right there is no wiggle room.' So, allow me to AMEN that then, leave it right there.   thanks brother,   Lance  - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 20, 2004 13:13 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Terry:Are these the only two possibilities?   'God will lead you into truth' vs 'There is no such thing as truth' (Therefore, either God or the author of this _expression_ is a liar)    'Multiple covenants' vs 'One unilateral covenant'(Therefore either G

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
(If) it is truly misapplied (then it will) lead to erroneous ideas of God's covenant with us' The following is not some debate point, David: IFF you misunderstand this point then, to some extent, you are not speaking the truth of God when you speak the truth you speak. Is this correct? - Origin

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
myth (there aren't two or more definitions--that's the beauty of biblical language)   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:34:13 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Perhaps in your definition of Kingdom... but that's the beauty of opinion!   -- slade -Original Message--

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
ï myth [not the issue; its your bias toward a partic of type of lie/liar in action]   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:09:26 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>Characterizing someone as a "left-winger" is not [wrong].  If you think >she is wrong to characterize a theologian as "liberal"

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
If I didn't know better, I would say that Bill has been studying under one of my professors!!  Beautiful explanation, John hopefully the light gets much brighter. Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Bill Taylor
David states > I recently read an article that said marriage was a unilateral covenant and not a bilateral contract. Would you agree with that idea too? Not initially anyway. I would want to see how it defines the terms. I do think there is much to be appreciated from a study of covenants vs. c

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: And so we see that the covenant with Abraham was fulfilled not by Abraham but by his Representative, Jesus Christ, and in this the covenant is unilateral in that God's promise was contingent upon God's fulfillment of the covenant -- enter Emanuel. Thanks for the explanation, Bill. I ha

Re: [TruthTalk] Defining Liberal

2004-11-20 Thread Knpraise
-- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you hav

Re: [TruthTalk] Defining Liberal

2004-11-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/20/2004 8:42:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only way I could "prove" my assertion would be to list almost every professor and show them to be liberal in a belief or two. David, your explanation on liberal, one with which I am in some agreement,

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/20/2004 8:33:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From this we see that it was the passing through the pieces that caused the covenant to be binding. In the case of the covenant cut between God and Abraham, we discover that it involved Abraham's participatio

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
'when I speak truth...' Is that a tautology? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: November 20, 2004 11:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down? > Lance wrote: > > 1. Do you, David, have biases? > > Yes. > > Lance wrote: > > 2. Do yo

Re: [TruthTalk] Defining Liberal

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
Fair enough David. 1. You place yourself in good company. 2. It may well be that you, like Paul, simply go to the SR crowd bearing the good news then, some in the crowd say 'praise God' while others rip shirts to shreds. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[E

Re: [TruthTalk] Defining Liberal

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: One occasionally gets the idea that you either seek out or actually intentionally precipitate 'shirt ripping' responses. Such a "One" would be wrong. I seek it out no more than the apostle Paul sought out such reactions. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech

Re: [TruthTalk] Defining Liberal

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
You should be able to construct such a list right off the top of your head. There's no WORK whatsoever in constructing such a list but, as I don't disagree with your definition of liberal we'll just let this rather slovenly 'un David Miller' like post go without a challenge.. - Original Messa

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Bill Taylor
ï   - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology     On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:14:41 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Defining Liberal

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: Preliminary response: It matters not to me that you do not see the point in supplying names. I do see the point. So, please back this up with an array of names throughout the centuries who fit your description. It (the list) functions as insight into David Miller and, to the named theo

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Bill Taylor
David wrote > 1. Nobody has established the idea of a "unilateral covenant."  From my perspective, the phrase is nonsense.  It is like saying, "unilateral agreement."  There is no such thing as an agreement if it is unilateral.  I may be all mixed up in my thinking here, but until someone ex

Re: [TruthTalk] Defining Liberal

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
I, for one, do not. I'd still appreciate a response to my other query for the reasons given. I saw a 'piece' on last nights news concerning rather violent opposition on the part the other kind of liberals toward republicans at a California University.(no shirts ripped off that I noticed) One occ

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: 1. Do you, David, have biases? Yes. Lance wrote: 2. Do you believe that God will lead you out of all them prior to your demise? No. Some biases are godly and desirable. Lance wrote: 3. Does the truth you speak completely (read exhaustively) overlap with the truth God speaks in all cas

Re: [TruthTalk] Defining Liberal

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
Preliminary response:It matters not to me that you do not see the point in supplying names. I do see the point. So, please back this up with an array of names throughout the centuries who fit your description. It (the list) functions as insight into David Miller and, to the named theologians. -

[TruthTalk] Defining Liberal

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: 'In my opinion, almost every professor of theology is liberal.' Lance wrote: I'm energized by this charge of yours, David. Finally! A passionate response from Lance. :-) I like it. Lance wrote: Will you kindly do the following?: 1. Define liberal 2. Supply us with a few dozen

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 10:15:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   "Unfortunately my lunch break is over :)"   You're amazing, Jonathan. You do on lunch break what takes me a

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
Maybe David, we should allow Terry to speak for himself. However, as it's too late for that without him being influenced by your response why not address a couple of the points: 1. Do you, David, have biases? 2. Do you believe that God will lead you out of all them prior to your demise? 3. Does the

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
Perhaps in your definition of Kingdom... but that's the beauty of opinion!   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 22.56To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Tw

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 8:50:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No problem, John, givn some impartiality, balance, relevant, even proactive, input, etc. -- 600 more rules arn't necessary:)   On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:33:50 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || ..we should res

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 11:41:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that a lot of churches have this symptom. But I would like to think that this group could hold to a higher standard. Suzy I agree but what we can do and what we will do may be two very different t

RE: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. There are some translations of the Greek Newer Testament who attempt to place the Sacred Name of YHVH back in

[TruthTalk] Strong Inference

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
I am writing this short post to explain a little further about my scientific approach to knowledge. The ideas I am expressing here come from philosopher Karl Popper and scientist J.R. Platt. It has been years since I have read them, but they had a big impact on my early thinking processes so I

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
DM said:'In my opinion, almost every professor of theology is liberal.' Now, I'm not acquainted with 'almost every professor of theology' but I've read, listened to and, carry many of them. I'm energized by this charge of yours, David. Will you kindly do the following?:1. Define liberal 2. Supply

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: I'm not taking up an offence for Terry because he can take care of himself but I don't believe the statement below is kind or loving. What would make you say such a thing just because Terry's thoughts are different from yours Lance?  You know that suggestion cuts both ways.  judyt   On Sa

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: When God says that the Holy Spirit will lead you to truth, and one says that there is no such thing as truth because we all have bias, either God has lied, or the person who made that claim has lied. When God says that there were multiple covenants, and one says there was only one uni

RE: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Good morning Judy,   A quick note on how we use the word incarnation (incarnate means to embody in human form).  We should have cleared this up earlier.  You are correct in that it is often just used in association with the birth of Jesus.  When I use the word incarnation I am speaking of

[TruthTalk] Tearing Down

2004-11-20 Thread Judy Taylor
John Smithson wrote:> ... a word from the moderator, ex-cathedral, should be enough.> When Perry spoke, the list complied.      jt: What list were you on John?  What I noticed was that when Perry spoke nobody did things any different than before. Could this be how he got discouraged and sto

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: moderatg the list requires some wisdom--like why quibble with this [issue?] while you say nothin' abot, e.g., Izzy constantly slanderg moderates (both politcl and theolgicl) as left-wingrs, etc; she plainly lied in her characterzation of Ryrie--you postd zero abt/to her! I quibble with

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
That should read:  J The Elder :0 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 23:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? In a message dated 11/19/2004 11:00:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PRO

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
I think the truth is in there somewhere. Slade wouldn't you prefer to spank your wife? Instead of some of us blockheads? Jeff  - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two C

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
Hasn't she done that several times? - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 17:27 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Please ignore my wife. She could incite nuns to rebel.   I've receiv

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: HOW do you want me to moderate the list? I've looked into the list tools and there is no way for me to peruse [specific] people's emails BEFORE they're posted, so I can't do that. I would love to be able to put some people on that kind of moderated status to "star-out portions of a po

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
for Slade:   SALUTE! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 23:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down? In a message dated 11/19/2004 6:23:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writ

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Jonathan wrote: I do not think we are on TruthTalk to debate or attack anything. Some are. Some are not. TruthTalk is to talk about Truth and it is open to everyone. Therefore, we should expect a lot of variety in why people are here and a lot of variety in how people approach truth. Such dis

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
there isn't a pc alternative Jeff - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 23:39 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Tearing down? What is the politically correct/Christian love alternative to “Left” , please

Re: [TruthTalk] A title for Slade & friends

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
And how do I place an order? Jeff - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 18:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A title for Slade & friends $24.00 U.S. - Original Message - From: Slade

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Lance Muir
Terry:Are these the only two possibilities?   'God will lead you into truth' vs 'There is no such thing as truth' (Therefore, either God or the author of this _expression_ is a liar)    'Multiple covenants' vs 'One unilateral covenant'(Therefore either God or the author of this teaching is a

Re: [TruthTalk] Kabbalah

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
I'll second this! Good points David Jeff - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 16:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kabbalah Izzy wrote: Then what is Biblical Kabbalah? Is it also occult? Some might quibble about w

RE: [TruthTalk] A birthday request.

2004-11-20 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Hi Jeff,   If you ever felt it to be appropriate I would like to hear the story of your wife.   JBH   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powers Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A birthday

Re: [TruthTalk] A birthday request.

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
I am a Widower, do ya still think its me? Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 22:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A birthday request. In a message dated 11/19/2004 9:52:44 AM Pacific Standard

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-11-20 Thread Terry Clifton
Jonathan in Green.   Jonathan:  There are a few things one can say here.  To tell a lie is to be a liar.  To believe a lie is not.  So Terry says that next time he sees a lie on the list he will call it a lie.  The implication is that I am telling a lie, not that I believe a li

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] A birthday request.

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
Slade.   K. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 22.48To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A birthday request.In a message dated 11/19/2004 9:52:44 AM Pacific Standard T

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
Hehhee...nope, don't feel bad at all, Iz. He gave me a great ideainciting NUNS to rebel...might have to try it! I was rolling about it. I thought the thread was hysterical. Slade and I don't always agree...but we get along pretty well! You guys can rest easy...he'll even spank his wife..

Re: [TruthTalk] On TOE -- Relational Theology

2004-11-20 Thread Judy Taylor
ï     On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:14:41 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: "Unfortunately my lunch break is over :)"   You're amazing, Jonathan. You do on lunch break what takes me a snow day to consider.   Judy asked, Why is it important? For this reason we also ..

[TruthTalk] Kaballah

2004-11-20 Thread Judy Taylor
  jt: Just wondering if you carry this book at your store Lance. Looks like it would be interesting with regard to roots of the  Kaballah and some other issues.  judyt   Judaism's Strange Gods by Michael A. Hoffman II In this scholarly and deeply considered work, the author documents his pro