Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Hmmm..And ain't it coincidental that both of us them are TT subscribers! ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one is completely wrong. I only know of two people who seem to fit that categorty ... tow out of thousands , over the years. J -- ~~~ Dave

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/3/2005 9:27:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just curious, how many of these do you agree with? Also: Which agrees more with Nestle's The NASB or the KJV?I use NASB -- but probably already know why. 1. There is NO FINAL AUTHORITY but God. God in

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/3/2005 9:28:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Men" may not get closer and closer to the truth, but perhaps women do. [Joke! Just alerting you to non-inclusive language! "Men" has stopped meaning "people" for several generations now.] May I offer an

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/4/2005 12:03:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Hmmm..And ain't it coincidental that both of usthem are TT subscribers! ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one is completely wrong. I only know of two people who seem to fit that

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
You've a contributor for some time. Please illustrate 'headway' using yourself as an example.Tell us what you've learned from TT. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 03, 2005 17:53 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
I believe it's in the same passage as that which supports SP'S vitriolic approach to pretty much everything. Given the latitudin(arian)ismreflected in the founder of this chat room, I suspect he just might not have a problem with identifying Mormons as those with whom he will fellowship in

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
When the 'K' man's impact in Utah is found to be comparable to that of Wilberforce in Britain then, you just may have a point. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 03, 2005 21:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
Don't employ excessive and primarily hyperbolic vocabulary 'K' man as it only exacerbates the 'Bishop'. That is, unless you mean to do something other than hurl epithets, KEVIN. PS:The 'E' territory is mine so, keep out. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
ATTENTION 'G':I just stocked the following: 1. Chronicles Volume One - Bob Dylan - Read by Sean Penn 2. Younger Than That Now - The Collected Interviews With Bob Dylan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 03,

[TruthTalk] Ken Burns on The History of Mormonism?

2005-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
Having just viewed 'Unforgiveable Blackness:The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson', I couldn't help but wonder...what if..? It(Mormon history) is one of America's important stories. He is THE documentarian of record.(on film) Would LDS grant unlimited access? If not, why?Could he be cajoled

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Questions

2005-02-04 Thread Judy Taylor
I've seen a lot of talk on TT about the centrality of the person of Jesus and how being in "relationship" and hanging with him is what will unify the Church. My questions are: 1. Who is Jesus aside from the doctrine of Christ - since He is not a doctrine? 2. How can we be surewe are

[TruthTalk] Fw: The gospel is bigger than the Religious Right's - Comedy Central's Jon Stewart and Jim Wallis! (B)

2005-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: David Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 04, 2005 07:46 Subject: FW: The gospel is bigger than the Religious Right's - Comedy Central's Jon Stewart and Jim Wallis! (B) Thought you might want to see this Jon Stewart clip.

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about conversion below, becoming a new creature, which is definitely the work of the Holy Spirit. I'm talking about believersinteracting with believers about the way we understand things. Not that such

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
I am composing this before reading this mornings posts because it was in my head when I awoke. It may turn out to be a non sequitur to more recent posts. It always astounds me how many messages are posted in the wee hours. Kevin: I do not believe the Bible is infinitely interpretable.

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Please read the message. Believers. Not cleaning the stove. Important stuff. Debbie -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:02 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re:

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Lance, you may be right.

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Kev -- you should write for Disney. You do "Goofy" better than most. :-)My comments in orange. Well I will have to defer to G on this one I know how tuff these moderators are![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kev -- you should write for Disney. You do "Goofy" better than most. :-)My comments in orange. In

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
G! G! Where is G when you need him? Maybe he is asleep. Now how does this work again? I guess only Izzy JT can be Reprimanded Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Hmmm..And ain't it coincidental that both of us them are TT subscribers! ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Of course, Lance is always right - where have you been Debbie? On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:38:36 -0500 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lance, you may be right.

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Judy Taylor
What don't you understand? Where would one find the message Believers? On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:37:05 -0500 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please read the message. Believers. Not cleaning the stove. Important stuff. Debbie From: Judy Taylor

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
The Creed of the Alexanderian CultI was just wondering how many of it's Tenets you hold. Please show me where I do not Believe the Bible. The reason we have this discussion is you believe in the Original Autographs, not the Bible,do you not? If you do not hold to the "original Autograph" Theory,

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Questions

2005-02-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Good questions. There is no knowledge that isn't faith. Regarding your other post: Were you saying that there is no room for learning/changing one's mind about anything important? Debbie -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, February 04,

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
in the paragraph right above your other response below. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:35 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
I was wondering where Hegelian dialect [sic] came from. OK, I'm gone for the day. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:35 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] On

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
My question is when do you think the SPs should knock the dust off their feet? After how many years of arguing? Izzy Matthew 10:14 Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, [Acts 13:51] shake the dust off your feet. From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Questions

2005-02-04 Thread Judy Taylor
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:56:23 -0500 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good questions. There is no knowledge that isn't faith. What about "scientific knowledge" -that which must be seen to be believed? Biblical faith is the "substance of things hoped for" butis

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Thanks but I understood you were taking about believers interacting with the Holy Spirit. I just thought the Hegelian concept out of place in such a gathering. The example we are left withis Paul persuading people byscripture but when people are unfamiliar with the scriptures and/or do not

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
G, if you want to post an ad hominem on me, go right ahead. Where did we get all these new rules about re-stating what was said as to be more politically correct? And you want me to apologize for quoting Jesus? Jesus referred to those who trample the holy underfoot as dogs and swine

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-02-04 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: Be glad to discuss this with you. To start let's look at John chapter 3 verse 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-04 Thread Dave Hansen
Charles Perry Locke wrote: G, My question to Blaine was in response to his knocking SP's, particularly those at the LDS GC and their methods. I thought it would be interesting to find out what he thinks would be the best way to evangelize Mormons. While sending out missionaries two by

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/4/2005 5:44:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Creed of the Alexanderian Cult I was just wondering how many of it's Tenets you hold. Please show me where I do not Believe the Bible. The reason we have this discussion is you believe in the Original

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
TESTING THE FAITH Judge rules against Christians who preached to homosexuals 'Philly 5' lose round in federal court, prosecutors get away with calling defendants' words 'hateful' www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42705 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Classification

2005-02-04 Thread David Miller
*note changed subject line Gary wrote: there's no reason to think of Mormonism as derived from Protestantism There would be a historical reason. Joseph Smith was baptized a Protestant (Baptist), and affiliated closely with Methodist Bible Studies and worship services. His family was

[TruthTalk] New moderator Gets Two Thumbs Up

2005-02-04 Thread Bill Taylor
Izzy wrote Where did we get all these new rules about re-stating what was said as to be more politically correct?...PS Please unsubscribe me until such time as Gary is no longer Moderator. Thank you. In his introduction of G as moderator, David Miller wrote I suspect Gary will try to

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Answer the question and stop diverting. If you had any actual first hand evidence of the thigs that you tell tales about, THEN: You would know we never use Bull Horns at GC They are not allowed nor do we need them when the crowd is but a few feet away.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVE: ??? I consider it important to consider what Son of man means. Try separating Son from man. Think of the man part as being a heavenly man, who is exalted rather than a lowly earth type man who is a sinner. Show me just ONE time in the Bible, where the Son of Man refers to the Father I will

Re: [TruthTalk] New moderator Gets Two Thumbs Up

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Yes the hammer will only come down when Judy or Izzy violate.Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Izzy wrote Where did we get all these new rules about re-stating what was said as to be more politically correct?...PS Please unsubscribe me until such time as Gary is no longer Moderator.

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
So John you can get off the ressusitator now Izzy obviously has a different view of it than you. That is whyI said you have a Dirty Mind, you project your "ONE ONLY TRUE" view onto her thoughts.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is when do you think the SP’s should knock

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread David Miller
Debbie wrote: There is a characteristic quickness and aggressiveness to responses on TT. I am not saying it is immoral, but it makes me a little jittery. There seems to be a tendency to try to catch people out rather than find a meeting-place with them. I think we should err on the side of

RE: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
This moderation stuff is a farce, it is never applied even handedly I could care less what someone calls me get some skin; Sissies Can anyone pretend that Izzy Judy have been treated fairly as far as moderation recently? No answeres from those that have TWO STANDARDS pleaze. The thing that bugs

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
AH so you are from CanucKastan! Wierd court rulings up there lately. Don't take it personal, if you want warm fuzzies, hold hands sing Kumbyah at some "community" I believe that you meet with such "resistance" because some of your ideas may be Repugnant to some! This then leads to "quick" and

Re: [TruthTalk] Ken Burns on The History of Mormonism?

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Much of the documentation is Hidden in one of the worlds largest storage sites locked away in a vault deep under the mountains in Utah. Big Cottonwood canyon.Not even church historians are allowed to read up. That is one reason why the Prophet got duped multiple times for Multiple millions of

RE: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
G comments? Dave comments? I feel like the fox is in the henhouse, it is real quiet. Can't find a hen.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This moderation stuff is a farce, it is never applied even handedly I could care less what someone calls me get some skin; Sissies Can anyone pretend that

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
pastorally spkg, 'crying wolf's a curious childhood obsession (ftr,the pastor'sauthoritative reply herejettisonstwangingfeedback, e.g., "areyou'crying wolf', boy") On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:37:30 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [note to pouncers: in conjunction with

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
ftr, some good advicemay betorecognize this; that.. On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:29:22 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..TT[has] a Pastoral Authority.. ||

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
certainly--thx for the considerate question, Kevin let me give it some morethought while practicng with my baseball team this a.m.; i'll try to reply (to his and some other select posts)later today, Lord willing G On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:38:43 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am not playing your game it must be in your head. I would be happy to answer your questions As they may relate to a somewhat technical issue, they require more time to formulate an answer. I hope to send alog some shortly. I do not thinkI have your stancefigured out, possibly because of your

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
some good advice may be to continuereflecting on this latest exchange betw us, Iz; and, when there's some ability for usto move thoughtfully withina world view inclusiveof TT pastorally moderated, lightly we'd hope, pls inquire abt being reinstated(!)--i would like to be able to converse

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread David Miller
John wrote to Kevin: Can you name me a single biblical doctrine that is effected by the variations in the Greek text ... The justification of lying might be one doctrine effected by these variations. One of my daughters attends the University of Florida. Her Hebrew Scriptures professor

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
In a message dated 2/4/2005 5:44:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Creed of the Alexanderian CultI was just wondering how many of it's Tenets you hold.Please show me where I do not Believe the Bible. The reason we have this discussion is you believe in the Original

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
pastorally moderated No thanks count me out I have a pastor already. If you are trying to butt in with his God given authority, that is out of line Do I misunderstand your thoughts here? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some good advice may be to continuereflecting on this latest exchange betw

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
probably, Kevin--world view is everything..i'm still getting a feel for yours relative to, e.g., street preaching later, G On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:53:23 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || Do I misunderstand your thoughts here?

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thank you David, there are many more examples. I am strapped for time right now. As this is in the reading of the USB (26 27 ed) I wonder if it is so in the 24th or say the 25th edition of Nestle's Aland? The previous incarnations of the same but different text line. This is the PukeI was

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote: This moderation stuff is a farce, it is never applied even handedly ... Kevin, please be patient. Gary has just taken over the moderation of the list, and he has not issued any reprimand yet, so lighten up. He solicited discussion of his perspective concerning Izzies post and I

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote: I believe that you meet with such resistance because some of your ideas may be Repugnant to some! This then leads to quick and aggressive measures by those that Hold certain beliefs dearly. ... If you would like maybe we can change TT to Barney talk or Kumbyah Circle of Friends

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
One (this one) has the sense that the 'Izmeister' is a gracious and comely damsel in her daily life. One also senses a less than modest metamorphosis when she places fingers on the keyboard. I believe her intent to have been closer to 'G's' reading than 'the David's' but her brusqueness is most

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Kevin wrote: This moderation stuff is a farce, it is never applied even handedly ... Kevin, please be patient. Gary has just taken over the moderation of the list, and he has not issued any reprimand yet, so lighten up. He solicited discussion of

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: Izzy quoted the Bible. She gave her opinion as to how that quote applied to a cult. That is not ad hominem. The moderator and the ex pastor are too easily offended by the truth. Well said, Terry. I agree. I wonder if Izzy had said hardened Christians instead of hardened

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Bill Taylor
David, you bemoan the fact that you can't keep a moderator. But no more than get one and you start undermining his authority. Please, either back your man or correspond with him in private when you think he's misappropriated himself. Bill - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am not trying to bash G Due to the recent bashing of Judy Izzy I am probably overacting to his silence and thinking here we go again.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin wrote: This moderation stuff is a farce, it is never applied even handedly ...Kevin, please be patient. Gary has just

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Sanity Check... Thank you TerryTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Miller wrote: Kevin wrote: This moderation stuff is a farce, it is never applied even handedly ... Kevin, please be patient. Gary has just taken over the moderation of the list, and he has not issued any

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
David: I don't know which came first, this or Bill's post suggesting you shouldn't be doing this very thing. You do note it's inappropriateness, don't you? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 04, 2005 15:06 Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
Amen Bill! And one wonders at Slade's departure??? - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 04, 2005 15:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce David, you bemoan the fact that you can't keep a moderator. But no more than

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
To clarify My Barney Talk comment it has to do with the General Flavor (my Term) of TT lately I am not saying anything about Debbie, except that I and perhaps others take Great exception to some of the philosophies put forth on TT. Ido not look to be careful in such matters. Like I said Deb don't

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Flags fly Whistle blows We need an "instant replay" on this one! Debbie what who are the pouncers?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pastorally spkg, 'crying wolf's a curious childhood obsession (ftr,the pastor'sauthoritative reply herejettisonstwangingfeedback, e.g., "areyou'crying wolf', boy") On

Re: [TruthTalk] Ken Burns on The History of Mormonism?

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://www.lds-mormon.com/sepsix.shtml In his research Quinn discovered that for a number of years after the 1890 Manifesto, which the Church claims was supposed to stop the practice of plural marriage, a number of prominent Church leaders and others were secretly given permission to take plural

[TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]David, you bemoan the fact that you can't keep a moderator. But no more thanget one and you start undermining his authority. Please, either back yourman or correspond with him in private when you think he's misappropriatedhimself. Bill Lance writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
myth [reductionistic at best; pointedly: 'simply' denies falsely; pastorally speaking, the 'new' moderator's issue partic withthat issue will remain public, constant; if Izzy agrees totake the opportunity to interactpeacefully on the subject, as requested,we can waiveanypending apologies

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Learning is, among other things, changing your mind. That is not how I learned mathematics by changing my mind 1 + 1 has always been 2 The whole may be greater; but all the parts always add up supportthe whole If they do not that in itself is a good indication there is a problem. In my field of

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
'we'? evidence points to 'you' On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:21:37 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || We need an "instant replay" on this one!

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Judy Judy Judy These guys all come from AUTHORATATIVE Cultic movements it has nothing to do with the visible church. It has to do with the pride of those that think themselves leaders. Like the saying goes you can take the mormon out of his church, but it takes some time to get the mormon out of

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
and change some of*our thinking*in the process..'generosity' transcends arithmetic Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote re: find[ing] a meeting-place ... I *think we* should err on the side of generosity...

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: David, you bemoan the fact that you can't keep a moderator. I don't recall bemoaning this. I've simply asked for volunteers. I bemoan the idea of running the list without a moderator. Bill wrote: But no more than get one and you start undermining his authority. I do not

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
please specify your reference to 'all', Kevin--including whom, by name please; so far it's lookin' likeanother inconsiderate backhanded swipe G On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:00:47 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These guys all come from AUTHORATATIVE Cultic movements

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
(cut the manipulative backhanded swipes pls) On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:05:10 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Gary..he [has yet] to discuss this with me over the phone

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
'generosity' transcends arithmetic May I remind you this is TRUTH Talk The stement above is almost NON Sensical Maybe you have not studied Math It is all full of Proofs, rules laws What does generosity have to do with the Pythagorean Theorem? Are you talking New Age Math where the sum of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
myth (shecloakedin emailabackhanded swipe at Mormons, by name, via manipulation of JCs word/s--there is no truthful wayshe cantrace her 'artful'conclusionto the mind of Christ--some good advice may be cancel trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear:) On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:05:10

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Thanks, Judy, I had a good day. Your response belowseems to me a little like the "random acts of kindness" thing. Nobody has a monopoly on any word; Hegel doesn't have a monopoly on the words "thesis" and "antithesis". But if the words ring such a loud Hegelian bell for you, I understand.

RE: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
[Debbie]'S all good, Kevin! Like I said Deb don't take it personal.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin wrote: I believe that you meet with such "resistance" because some of your ideas may be Repugnant to some! This then leads to "quick" and aggressive measures by

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
learning the algorithms of a person's world view often takes some time and patience, Kevin ..moving on,mayone suggest that'truth transcends arithmetic'? hypothetically, what would be the implication for your mind set while it doesn't? G On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:22:50 -0800 (PST) Kevin

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Questions

2005-02-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Scientific knowledge involves faith too. I agree faith is not blind. And I agree that Christ is the most important of all, and that we don't want to be misled by impostors. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:21

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: myth (she cloaked in email a backhanded swipe at Mormons, by name, via manipulation of JCs word/s--there is no truthful way she can trace her 'artful' conclusion to the mind of Christ-- some good advice may be cancel trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear:) Cloaked? Are

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Questions

2005-02-04 Thread David Miller
Debbie wrote: Scientific knowledge involves faith too. Theologians often claim this, but they are wrong. Scientific knowledge, by definition, eliminates faith. That is why creationism is not allowed in science class. For example, when we drop a ball from the top of a building and measure

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
acknowleged (meaning no more, no less than precisely this) On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:51:37 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:|| I don't see where she cloaked anything.

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Hey Kevin I'm sure Debbie will answer when she returns; I may be wrong but Ibelieve her adjective coversyou and I (and possibly others). Anyone too quick to respondwho backs what they say with scripture -but I'venever thought of itthis way;to me it ismore like "being ready to give an answer

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread ttxpress
what are you willing to demythologize with us ? On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:08:07 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..and shall be turned unto fables

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Judy Taylor
She didn't manipulate a thing she printed the whole verse verbatim and she was not manipulating Jesus' words either. He called the Syrophoenician woman a "dog" which is someone outside the covenant.Swine are pagans/unbelievers. Why wouldn't Mormons qualify with all of their extra biblical

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Questions

2005-02-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Another possible explanation for why creationism is not allowed in science class is that it threatens the faith of many scientists. Do you mean that science yields total certainty about its conclusions? As to the ball: You have to have faith that the ball will fall the same way every time. And

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Bible Bible Bible 2 Sam 22:27 With the pure thou wilt show thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt show thyself unsavory. Prov 17:11 An evil man seeketh only rebellion: therefore a cruel messenger shall be sent against him.Plese show where the Manipulation of words occured[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Truth is not White black Grey shaded area. Christ said you are for me or against me No Neutral zoneOf course if you are a New Ager than Truth is relative in your mind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: learning the algorithms of a person's world view often takes some time and patience, Kevin ..moving

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Questions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Debbie wrote: Scientific knowledge involves faith too. Maybe you think of Evolution it is faith based But it is not science!David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debbie wrote: Scientific knowledge involves faith too.Theologians often claim this, but they are wrong. Scientific knowledge, by

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Being ready means being quick to answer if you have done your homework in the past and studied a certain subject out. What is left to mull over? Evil men seducers shall wax worse wose decieving and being decieved. Question what do SEDUCING SPIRITS SEDUCE? "Set a strong guard about thy outward

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying ARITHMETIC positions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Meaning?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what are you willing to demythologize with us ? On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:08:07 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..and shall be turned unto fables__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
FEELINGS Woa Woa Woa FEELINGS Facts have nothing to do with it! The unmistakable teachings of scripture do not apply inLaodecia Christian Church It's a Touchy Feely Thang! welcome to Barney World. Woof Woof; roll around on the floor; gimme some more That is the "spirit" that just has to get some

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Questions

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Science means that we can predict every single time where the ball will be How fast it is going and we can apply the LAW that we have learned to predict all other behavoirs of accelaration to ALL Other Objects Science IS Reproducable Results Every Time! What is True for one ball can not be UNtrue

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth talk or Relative talk?

2005-02-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://answers.org/apologetics/relativism.html Protagoras: Truth is relative. It is only a matter of opinion. Socrates: You mean that truth is mere subjective opinion? Protagoras: Exactly. What is true for you is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Truth is subjective.

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/4/2005 3:06:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy's post fails the ad hominem argument on many fronts. She was not speaking to a Mormon, but to Lance. She actually raised the disgusting questions as to whether one was disobeying her god's command

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/4/2005 3:53:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The ad hominem rule concerns only attacking a specific list member. It is meant to keep discussions from degrading into a one on one personal spat. Criticism of doctrines and sects is allowed. Your

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Questions

2005-02-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/4/2005 3:57:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debbie wrote: Scientific knowledge involves faith too. Theologians often claim this, but they are wrong. Scientific knowledge, by definition, eliminates faith. That is why creationism is not allowed in

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce

2005-02-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/4/2005 4:22:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She didn't manipulate a thing she printed the whole verse verbatim and she was not manipulating Jesus' words either. He called the Syrophoenician woman a "dog" which is someone outside the covenant. Swine are

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