Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-19 Thread Caroline Wong
Jesus was telling his disciples about hell. "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth," he thundered. "But Rabbi," someone asked, "what if the sinner does not have teeth?" Jesus fixes him with a steely look and said, "Teeth will be provided."   I thought I'd post that for JD in case he wen

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Caroline Wong
Judge Judy? hm..     - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath     On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:00:40 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMA

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-19 Thread Dave Hansen
Terry Clifton wrote: Dave Hansen wrote:     As I see it, you further believe that God is going to extend his punishment of death (upon which we agree) beyond a finite event of limited pain to a vindictive and punitive physical torture by throwing the unrepentant sinne

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-19 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: Do you consider the Judge that CONDEMNED Scott Peterson to Death an OGRE also? DAVEH:   No.the punishment he gave Scott is for a finite period and of minimal pain/suffering.    What does weeping and Gnashing of teeth, mean to you? DAVEH:  For the most part,

Re: [TruthTalk] Andy's wrestling to win

2005-03-19 Thread Knpraise
The first day at the Nationals in Denver, the 8th grade son of Bill and Tanya,  wrestling some who are sophomores in High School, won his first two matches  (Friday). Today, he won his first match of the day, lost his second to the Montana State champion and won his first match, this evening, 

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Knpraise
Good News Citizens of Earth     The Great God Almighty has decided to view your sins and failures as they come to Him through the sacrifice, resurrection and ascension of His Son,  the one we call Lord and Savior.  Further,  this Father of all redeemed all unto

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/19/2005 4:45:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:00:17 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God because God is __? jt: .. Judge.. I wanted to meet you, G, but

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/19/2005 1:16:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy: I am curious about how you reconcile your interpretation of Isaiah 45 about the 'treasures of darkness" etc. with "God is the Father of Lights in whom there is no variableness or shadow of turning" (Ja

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/19/2005 11:58:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How did God's love Prosper the: BAAL &ASHTEROTH worshipping; Amorites, Jebusites, Cannanites, Philistines? Did he cut THEM off? We all pay a price for the way we live  --  in this life, for sure.   Is the

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/19/2005 11:50:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1 CO 5:13 But THEM that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. Hey Kevin ---  see you are in good spirits, you big lug   :-) So you apparently think that the

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
WARNING: Citizens of Earth The human population of earth having been found in a state, of rebellion and guilty of gross crimes against the person and creation of God including the public humiliation and execution of His Son, the King of kings and Lord of lords, has been sentenced to death, an

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread ttxpress
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:00:40 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:     On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:00:17 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God because God is __? jt: .. Judge..

Re: [TruthTalk] Personal Stuff

2005-03-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/19/2005 8:36:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD, glad you enjoyed your trip - would like to be enthused about what you share but it sounds like more of the same ... and I'd choke on that. Somehow, Judy my dear,   I know you mean well.   All I can do i

Re: [TruthTalk] Why hasn't a single BoM site been identified?

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
BLAINE As for the Bible, there is actually painfully scant evidence for the foundational stories of Genesis and Exodus. There is not a trace of Eden, of Noah, of Joseph in Egypt, of the patriarchs, nor of the liberation of Hebrew slaves. Though the record tells of many thousands of people wandering

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Caroline Wong
Judy: I am curious about how you reconcile your interpretation of Isaiah 45 about the 'treasures of darkness" etc. with "God is the Father of Lights in whom there is no variableness or shadow of turning" (James 1:17).   Caroline: 1) Darkness in Isaiah 45 is not a metaphor for evil as it is i

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
How did God's love Prosper the: BAAL & ASHTEROTH worshipping; Amorites, Jebusites, Cannanites, Philistines?Did he cut THEM off? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/19/2005 6:02:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lamentations 3:22 Because of the LORD's great love we're

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
There goes JD he loves them STRAW MEN SEE JD WEAVE a whole Tapestry of Straw into Gold Look below see the straw, see the Gold, see the real bluff right before your very eyes elaborate arguments that no one holds destroyed in a puff a smoke. Weave a little here Weave a little there Spinning here Sp

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
"I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I the Lord do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7) Caroline: This is also a mistake in translation in the KJV. The Lord does NOT create evil. The correct translation is "disaster" NIV or "calamity" NASB.   How many mistakes are th

[TruthTalk] Personal Stuff

2005-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Congratulations Jonathan; Beautiful baby, tired wife, proud dad ... and thanks Lance for the photos.   Izzy, so glad you were not walking your dog near that statue in the Park, praise God for his provision, protection, and faithfulness   JD, glad you enjoyed your trip - would like to be

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/19/2005 6:54:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would you like a couple of instances where people's suffering made God relent in judgment and wrath? David was suppose to die for his sin but God let him live because he repented. Caroline Where is t

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:14:23 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Judy; Consider these two translations side by side and see how KJV aims at the person and that was an error in translation Psalm 7:11 KJV "God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wi

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/19/2005 6:02:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lamentations 3:22 Because of the LORD's great love we're not consumed, for his compassions never fail. Jeremiah wrote this while he and Israel were suffering judgment and wrath. Yes, in the midst of wrath, Jer

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/19/2005 3:00:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see your Psalm 5:5 and I raise you 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God because God is love Lamentations 3:22 Because of the LORD's great love we re not consumed, for his compassions never fa

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Caroline Wong
Hi Judy;   Consider these two translations side by side and see how KJV aims at the person and that was an error in translation Psalm 7:11 KJV "God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day." Psalm 7:11 NASB "God is a righteous judge. And a God who has indignation ever

RE: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Would you like a couple of instances where people's suffering made God relent in judgment and wrath? David was suppose to die for his sin but God let him live because he repented. Caroline   Caroline, I first of all compliment you on the fact that you at least know

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Kevin, although I write this to you, I don't expect you'll understand. I suspect you have had more experience with man's hate and anger than you've had of unconditional love. Have you ever experienced God's hate and wrath at all? Or His love? How real is any of this to you? I can see us trading bib

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Do you consider the Judge that CONDEMNED Scott Peterson to Death an OGRE also?   What does weeping and Gnashing of teeth, mean to you? what does Tormented Day & Night mean to you? How does a dead person engage in such activity?   At death there is a separation of body, soul and spirit. However, at

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:00:17 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is a difference between God's hate and God's wrath. And neither is enduring as His love. Your quote of Psalm 7:11 is a mistake in translation in the KJV. Psalm 7:11 (NASB) God is a righteous judge. And a

Re: [TruthTalk] Why hasn't a single BoM site been identified?

2005-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
A waste of 'cyber-ink'? IFF you believe that something/anything that you say and, the tone with which you say it (argumentative, graceless) will lead to a change of heart then, carry on. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] Why hasn't a single BoM site been identified?

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
I thought it was you who browbeat Perry for using the internet? Now I find, it is you who just cuts & pastes others work! http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_BMEvidence.shtml#any Q. Why hasn't a single Book of Mormon site been identified?   QUESTIONS FOR YOU: Why does the Student Manual for Religi

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgmentg

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
BLAINE I feel a little uneasy with the thought that he got off so easily, just confessing Christ and etc. He destroyed a lot of lives, and I find it hard to believe he will be up there in heaven with a halo after all that. Hmm, as I said, I will give this some thought. I guess what I am thinking at

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave Hansen wrote:     As I see it, you further believe that God is going to extend his punishment of death (upon which we agree) beyond a finite event of limited pain to a vindictive and punitive physical torture by throwing the unrepentant sinner into a literal lake of fire.  Is tha

Re: [TruthTalk] Indians with Beards

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Jews have beards Indians do not. No Biology degree required."[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ***BLAINE: Again, as I have mentioned before, I think you assume too much. To say DNA evidence POSITIVELY demonstrates that the Indians have ABSOLUTELY no inheritance from Hebrew people" is go

RE: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
What is "heretical Momron literature?"  Why is it heretical?   ANYthing written by the LDS Church or it's followers. They have tainted all aspects of Christianity; practise anything but christianity, have put down christianity in the past and of late (since G. B. Ninckley has been in power) have d

RE: [TruthTalk] Different Jesus of Mormonism

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
You just seem to rely on what you have read, usually some crackpot stuff that is, like your own writing, designed to ridicule, label   Everyone that is critical of the Mormon Church is automatically LABELED ANTI and usually some "crackpot" If you are against such behavior why do you practice it? Ca

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology from within the risen Christ

2005-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
I'll second that..Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bill Taylor wrote: "For by the Son all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Caroline Wong
When Moses asked God to show him His glory, God passed by proclaiming: "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpu

[TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-19 Thread Caroline Wong
Dear Kevin;   There is a difference between God's hate and God's wrath. And neither is enduring as His love.   Your quote of Psalm 7:11 is a mistake in translation in the KJV. Psalm 7:11 (NASB) God is a righteous judge. And a God who has indignation everyday. Try looking it up in several oth