Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

DAVEH:   Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there?   :-)     However, I am curious as to your explanation.  Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments?  Terry Clifton wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

DAVEH:   What are you trying to say, Kevin?  Do you think Paul was referring to me when speaking about false teachers and preachers?  As I have previously stated, I did not come here to teach and preach, but rather learn what Protestants believe and why they believe it.   Since you seem to thin

[TruthTalk] A Discussion About Jesus

DAVEH:   Thank you for engaging me on this, Bill.   I really don't know how it will turn out, or to where it will lead.  But I think it could be interesting to see with what we do and do not agree.     Let me toss out a few things I believe about Jesus, and then in reply you can respond to wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:02:28 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I know what the scriptures below mean ..I don't see what any of them have to do with a "dance"..   "..my feet are on the rock, my name is on the roll but movin' and a-groovin' does not satisfy my soul so when i'

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Well said, Kevin.  We can't spend all our time looking for the devil behind every tree, but we need to stay aware thet he is constantly trying to draw followers to himself.  The father of lies knows how to mix his lies with truth so well that some are unable to discern the lie and only see what

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Your preoccupation with similarities is meant to distract from the differences. Someone might notice under the sheepskins   Mark 13:6; 21-22 Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many. Why does Paul talk about FALSE TEACHERS & PREACHERS in almost every Epistle? How is o

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

Dave wrote: DAVEH:   What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry?  == Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable.  If I were a J

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Hey DaveH, I'll be a taker -- if you will give me some time to work it into my already-in-progress response to you concerning salvation. In the meantime, if you like you can work something up from your side.   Bill - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglor

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

DAVEH:   If you will remember, LanceI tried to start a thread where we could compare how we (LDS) perceive Jesus with how other TTers understand him.  All I got was some criticism for starting such by showing 2 instances where we probably agree.  Instead of continuing the thread by contribu

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

LOLApparently you do have a sense of humor, Kevin!   :-) Kevin Deegan wrote: 5 yards for piling on [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: me too     On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:00:29 -0700 "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >They can do  okay w

[TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

DAVEH:   What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry?  Terry Clifton wrote: When God gave Moses the law, He knew that it could not be kept.  It was an impossible goal.  Something to strive for, but never attainable.  I see the command to be perfect in the sam

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Okay, John. It's pretty funny. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ Someone tell me if this as funny

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Lance Muir wrote: Lance the uninvited enters the fray. Earlier today Judy, I spoke of conversations that might be out of your league. Well, this is one of 'em. If David Miller thinks otherwise then, I'd suggest that he attempt to translate Bill into 'Judyese'. (He actually did that

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Judy  -- you and I are both educated Okies.   Did you know this?   Hear me out  --  I am proud of that distinction.   You have studied as much as anyone I know  --  and I do not think all of your response come from the internet  -- despite a word or two  in that direction.    The Torrence brief?  

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

By the way  -- she said  "get out of here"  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 17:56:25 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ Coming off being totally stoned,  this is really kind of f

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Someone tell me if this as funny as I have thought it to be for past 20 minutes      -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 17:56:25 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ Coming off being

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Not of my own choice JD - hadn't you noticed I've been kicked off the playing field.  Some are just smarter than others and we ignorant ones are not worthy to commune with the "more informed" but I thought you knew all that since you run with them.  - but then maybe it's the vicodin.  jt   O

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Taking your ball and going home, huh?     JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:38:29 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ I'll be glad to

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

I'll be glad to leave you well informed genius' with Athanasius, his creed, the Nicean creed and every one of the rcc church fathers including all the popes Lance.  I am not interested in studying them or knowing the root of every word they used in Greek IMO this is the kind of study that is

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Coming off being totally stoned,  this is really kind of funny  !!   --  especially the part about floating the stones.   I concur  -- but with that blank and happy look of an avid stoner.     jd  JUST SITTING HERE IN RECOVERY -- MY OFFICE  -- WAITING FOR THE NEXT POST   -- FINGERS TWITCHING AT T

Re: [TruthTalk] Congrates to TT B+ for the days exchange

Actually  --  I was taking that vicodin every two hours .   Today --  I went 8 hours and then took one  --  not good.  heated me up .   So I am going to an eight hour over the counter product.   The vicodin really effected my little tummy. Very happy with the operation, however.   --  no menis

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Lance the uninvited enters the fray. Earlier today Judy, I spoke of conversations that might be out of your league. Well, this is one of 'em. If David Miller thinks otherwise then, I'd suggest that he attempt to translate Bill into 'Judyese'. (He actually did that with something recently 'Im

Re: [TruthTalk] Congrates to TT B+ for the days exchange

All y'all just sayin' that 'cause yer drugged up? How are you feeling today, John? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 02, 2005 16:59 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Congrates to TT B+ for the days exchange

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Bill in red below. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ This term is in bo

Re: [TruthTalk] Congrates to TT B+ for the days exchange

   B+   for content and learning opportunity.    A very good day for TruthTalk      All of you are to be complimented.        JD 

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

This term is in both creeds more than once Bill and you must believe all of it - according to the creeds to be saved. You can explain till the cows come home and it won't change anything.  If creeds were necessary Jesus would have left us with something more than what is known as the Lord's

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Where do you find the dancing?  jt   The "dance" is in reference to choresis, which means as well "choir" or "chorus" or "accord." What Father and Son do they do together in one accord, as in a dance.   By the way, your initial question was in reference to the mutual "indwelling" between the

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Looks like Bill is ready to take his ball and go home again -  What a shame we can't discuss issues like civilized ppl.  jt   Judy, this is an ad hominem argument. The truth is, I have attempted do discuss the issue with you ad nauseam. You have refused to accept responsibility for your doub

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

Common Sense disagrees with Mr Kimball on this one!Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: As you can see you disagree with Spencer W Kimball past LDS prophet he said "Perfection therefore is an achievable goal."

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

Kevin Deegan wrote: As you can see you disagree with Spencer W Kimball past LDS prophet he said "Perfection therefore is an achievable goal." = Since I disagree with Mister Kimball, I would think it would be

Re: [TruthTalk] Luther on Aristotle FYI

Sure it does.   The statement I have in mind -- a biblical statment by the way - is justification by faith APART FROM WORKS OF THE LAW.    In this context  --   yoiu, Judy, have to make a choice.    JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgC

Re: [TruthTalk] Luther on Aristotle FYI

No - incorrect.  Just because I'm not willing to throw the law out the door does not mean I do not believe we are saved by faith.  jt   On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:55:45 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is Luther most known for in theological terms  --   salvation by faith apart from

Re: [TruthTalk] Imageless images

I always oppose sin thesis -  without regard to status or authorship!!   JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:23:35 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Imageless images I do JD - D

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

My purpose in posting about being perfect was to illustrate the difference between True Christianity & Mormonism Mormonism is MISSION IMPOSSIBLE! Men are Morally BROKEN and can never be made Perfect, except by the subsitutionary Atonement of Jesus Christ. NOT by yoking up with Jesus as Blaine is a

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:17:42 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ     On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:48:37 -0400 [EMA

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

Typo; 396 years, not 496! From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:19:51 -0700 I have read that the word "perfect" in 1611 meant what "complete" mea

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

I have read that the word "perfect" in 1611 meant what "complete" means to us today. Try rereading that verse with "complete" in place of "perfect" and see if it sounds any different to you. Do we have anyone on TT that can confirm what I have read regarding the denotation of the word "perfect

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

       On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:53:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, don't you see that your use of the word "symphony " is a perfectly acceptable thing to do.   I recently invited you to the Great Dance that this Symphony causes us to perform.     jt: Right! The great "perichoresis" tha

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

As you can see you disagree with Spencer W Kimball past LDS prophet he said "Perfection therefore is an achievable goal." Just one more difference between Christianity & Mormonism! There is NO FREE Gift For Mormons Mormons MUST Be Perfect Mormons MUST Stop All PRESENT Sin Mormons MUST NOT Re

Re: [TruthTalk] Luther on Aristotle FYI

What is Luther most known for in theological terms  --   salvation by faith apart from obedience tot he law.  You disagree with this.       correct?     JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 2

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Great scriptures, Bill.  What jumped out at me was the relationship between John 1:18 and 8:42.    Jd  -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:00:08 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of C

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: FW: PHILOSOPHY]

Title: Message Charles Schultz Philosophy  The following is the philosophy of Charles Schultz, the creator of the "Peanuts" comic strip. You don't have to actually answer the questions. Just read the e-mail straight through, and you'll get the point. 1. Name the five wealthiest people

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

Kevin Deegan wrote: ... According to one LDS prophet: "In his Sermon on the Mount he made the command to all men: "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matt.5:48.)  Being perfect means to triumph over sin.  This is a mandate from the Lord

Re: [TruthTalk] Imageless images

I do JD - Do you understand that God is a Spirit and Spirit communes with spirit.  Do you understand that we can know things without having to reason and rationalize them out in the brain?  Do you understand that we are triune beings?  That we consist of spirit, soul, and body - so we are not

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

    On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:48:37 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Judy, in another post,  while denying God's sovereign and unmerited salvation offering, you accuse those who accept this notion as those who are "gloring in their spots, wrinkles and blemishes" and are "building

Re: [TruthTalk] Imageless images

  We do not need mental images to understand God's Words     Wow.   Do you understand that language is a function of our sympathic sytems???  Subconsonscious  and emotional stimulus to   images to an involuntary responding to a decision to allow that response to be spoken.We are made in this

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

I know what the scriptures below mean and have personally experienced them Bill.  However, I don't see what any of them have to do with a "dance" per se.  Jesus was a "suffering savior" and as believers we are told that we will have "tribulation" and or "suffering"; I understand how He is in

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Exactly and much appreciated, terry.   If it is not be to be  -- if I have misunderstood this leading,  I need open (ed) eyes.  If this is to be  -- at age 60, it is my last committed effort in the Lord.    JD  -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mai

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

    Judy, in another post,  while denying God's sovereign and unmerited salvation offering, you accuse those who accept this notion as those who are "gloring in their spots, wrinkles and blemishes" and are "building their house on sand ."     (I cannot copy your posted words because of t

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

        Judy, don't you see that your use of the word "symphony " is a perfectly acceptable thing to do.   I recently invited you to the Great Dance that this Symphony causes us to perform.   Now, in the following, you express regret for the use of "symphony."  It is not that things are "gett

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

    On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:53:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, don't you see that your use of the word "symphony " is a perfectly acceptable thing to do.   I recently invited you to the Great Dance that this Symphony causes us to perform.     jt: Right! The great "p

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

  Judy, in another post,  while denying God's sovereign and unmerited salvation offering, you accuse those who accept this notion as those who are "gloring in their spots, wrinkles and blemishes" and are "building their house on sand ."     (I cannot copy your posted words because of the litt

Re: [TruthTalk] Luther on Aristotle FYI

Is your comment just your assumption?  Who says I radically disagree with Luther?  He is a believer isn't he? I don't agree with his attitude toward the Jews and some other issues but I think he knows what he's talking about here.  What fleshly calamities are you referring to?  judyt   On Sat

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

jt: An indwelling of what?  What do you mean an indwelling and upon what do you base this assumption?   Judy, please read the following verses from the Gospel of John. Contemplate the words of our Lord, especially those which are underlined. Perhaps as you ponder them, they will begin to re

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

      Judy, don't you see that your use of the word "symphony " is a perfectly acceptable thing to do.   I recently invited you to the Great Dance that this Symphony causes us to perform.   Now, in the following, you express regret for the use of "symphony."  It is not that things are "getting ...

RE: [TruthTalk] As the subjec changes could we?????

Lance, It takes diligence on the part of the posters to recognize when the topic has strayed from the original subject, and to change it in the subject line. All TT members, please pay attention to the subject line and change it when you notice that the topic has changed. One way to tell t

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Judy  -- how do you know when God is speaking to you through others?  Ir is this something else tha tyou deny  --  God speaking to you through sincere and spirit led exchange?   JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.inn

Re: [TruthTalk] Luther on Aristotle FYI

You quote someone with whom you so radically disagree?  Poor old Martin  --  he sufferes from the same fleshly calamities as the rest of us.   JD    JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:08:55 -0400Subject: [Truth

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Definitions appreciated.   JD  -Original Message-From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:43:29 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ IMO this is not a discussion for Judy. The discussion entails w

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

I will note that my copied comment below is not a contradiction to Lances.   I think that deegan has a concern for others that speaks louder than his antics often do.   The question posed by Lance is as interesting a one as I have read in a while.    Jd  -Original Message-From: Lance Muir

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Don't pay them any mind Kevin - I appreciate your "on button" because I find what you write encouraging in that you consistently lift up the Word of God -  jt   On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: When are you going to stop?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wro

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

When are you going to stop?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what you see of late is a decision that responses to kevin are disruptive to whatever else is going on.     He has no off button so when you start something with him  -- you have to be the one who stops.  In addition,  the moderator has

Re: [TruthTalk] FWD: Last Weekend

Last weekend was another answer to prayer. For 25 years we have been preaching at these sodomite parades and watched as they continued to grow in cities and the crowds swelled into the millions nationwide. Our prayer to exhort Christians to confront the sin with just as much boldness as the sinner

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

Have you read the book? http://www.byubookstore.com/ePOS/this_category=107&store=439&item_number=1-59038-361-3&form=shared3/gm/detail.html&design=439 You Are Priceless is the story of a young girl who desperately wants a new bicycle. She works hard to save her money but greatly falls short of the b

[TruthTalk] Luther on Aristotle FYI

Luther’s Discourse on Aristotle’s Teachings: The universities need a sound and thorough reformation. I must say so no matter who takes offence. Everything that the papacy has instituted or ordered is directed solely towards the multiplication of sin and error. Unless they are completely altered fro

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

You can not finish the work. You have no part in earning or working for salvation.   When you were born did your mother do ALL the work or did you help her? Was she upset that you were just along for the ride?   John 19:30 It is finished John 3:7 Ye must be born again You can not even see your need

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

5 yards for piling on[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: me too     On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:00:29 -0700 "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >They can do  okay without your antagonistic comments.||__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has th

Re: [TruthTalk] Imageless images

I understand what Torrance is saying and I do not agree with him.  If David thinks we need Platonic or Aristotlian logic to understand God then I don't agree with him either. We do not need mental images to understand God's Words Jesus said his words are spirit and they are life; He has send

Re: [TruthTalk] Imageless images

Jt asks 'how so Lance?' I refer you back to DM's post on this. You told me (us) that you understood it. Did you? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 02, 2005 07:22 Subject: Re: [Tr

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

You are inadequate, John.  That is why you must simply be a vessel that God uses.   If this is His will, He will provide the words.  I'll pray about that. Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes and I suddenly feel most inadequate.      -Original Message- From: Debbie Sawczak <[EM

Re: [TruthTalk] Imageless images

How so Lance?  Mankind has always had a very vivid imagination and when I read the OT I see that the problem Israel had was one of going off after their own thoughts, following visions of their own heart and worshipping the work of their own hands.  How is Torrance different?  You have to r

Re: [TruthTalk] Imageless images

No Judy! 'Imageless images' is the opposite of idolatry. TFT is making a point applicable directly to our discussion He is doing that which Jesus did often in parables. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglo

[TruthTalk] Theology definition and kinds of Theology.htm

Title: Theology definition and kinds of Theology   Theology definition and kinds of Theology       Theology is a Greek word,  theos, "God", + logos, "rational discourse", "knowledge", "study", "science", so, literally, Theology is the science of God, as Biology is the science of life. Ar

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:11:26 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You are not 'unworthy' of any road, Judy, lofty or otherwise. Is any discussion 'out of your league' when it comes to God?   No. The Kingdom is the Kingdom.   Even though I note that you 'theologize' w

Re: [TruthTalk] Imageless images

    On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:41:12 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: T. F. Torrance's concept of 'imageless images' is basic to his epistemology, in particular, his concept of the relation of language to being. In his book, Reality and Evangelical Theology (InterVarsity, 19

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

You are not 'unworthy' of any road, Judy, lofty or otherwise. Is any discussion 'out of your league' when it comes to God?   Even though I note that you 'theologize' with every post, yet do you speak disdainfully of others who do that which you do. I'm apparently not the only one to be somew

[TruthTalk] As the subjec changes could we?????

?alter it to fit the adjoining discussion?   Mr. Moderator: How might this be best accomplished?   Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

So I'm unworthy of such a lofty road Lance, must be one that is only for the wise and prudent.  If it is out of anyone's league then it is not God.  He hides from the wise and prudent and reveals Himself to babes. Physics has nothing to do with anything - that is the study of the creation. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

IMO this is not a discussion for Judy. The discussion entails who God is in Himself (the immanent trinity) and, who God is toward us (the economic trinity). It is a theologically sophisticated but, highly important consideration. There are comparisons drawn by some to quantum physics (out of

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

IMO both Kevin and Perry's motivation is that of a genuine concern for those who do not apprehend Jesus as He is. To note the difference in style is simply to note the difference in makeup of each of the TT participants.   The Jesus you articulate is not even a 'distant cousin' to the Jesus th

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 03:07:01 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy writes > I don't recall ever having made a rule Bill.  The scriptures themselves say that if any man speaks he should speak as the oracles of God.  If you are going to represent Him then you should say

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

  Judy writes > I don't recall ever having made a rule Bill.  The scriptures themselves say that if any man speaks he should speak as the oracles of God.  If you are going to represent Him then you should say what He says about himself. Your doctrine of "perichoresis" is alien to anything I

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

    On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:16:36 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy writes  >  Yes, Nathan was the prophet and his words were inspired by God since this was the anointing for his ministry - fourfold restitution was what is required under the law of Moses.  So wha