Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
Other than being about 25 years out of date (Francis Schaeffer a 'giant'?) it is good to note that people know who he was. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 23:21 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Warning!!!

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Excuse me Gary... It is in the NT. In fact Jesus Himself said that unless one is born again they can not even see the KOG much less be part of it... or haven't you read this part of the Bible yet? On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:46:14 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (this ain't in the NT;

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
What did I get wrong? I remember you speaking of some young fellow you were trying to mentor who is homosexual. Is the one Kevin refers to a new one? On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:13:32 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Off line Judyand you have not one single thing correct. Off line.

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Schaeffer has lots of company Bill. What is to misunderstand when we have Barth's own words on the subject and how could such a great voice say something like this: The Bible Not the Word of God “Barth was right to speak about a distance between the Word of God and the text of the Bible”

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
The gift is Jesus Christ NOT Sturday! I believe the SDA have replaced Jesus with the SATURDAY Sabbath only In fact one of the doctrines of Devils is "commanding to abstain" from meats. Any SDA preach such?Do you think everyone who goes to Church on Sunday is worshipping the BEAST? AFA a

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
and its oneobviousreaosn why there's an ACLU LOL Now that is funny! To SAVE US from the New Birth![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: myth (this ain't in the NT; its the fount ofAm Fundamentalist culticlegalism--its how legalism works to maintain partic racist exclusivity..its why evangelism in

Re: [TruthTalk] Virtue of Name Calling

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
ToNOT "name call" a False teacher is to SIN! You already practice such are you inaccurate? Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess if we were Christ, or his Apostles, then we would be able to exercise "Accurate name-calling". But, since we are not, IMO we can not, and therefore, we

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Amen! Each of the 10 Commandments can be recognized in the teachings of the NT except for the 4th which is the Sabbath. That was between God and Israel. Under the New Covenant there is a rest for the ppl of God that we must strive (against unbelief) to enter. See Hebrews 4:9-13) On Sun, 4

[TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Bill writes: "It will take many years, I'm sure, before Barth will be allowed to speak for himself to the conservative community. In the meantime Evangelical Christians will be missing out on one of the greatest voicesthe Church has ever known. I'm curious about what you find so great

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst ....The sky is faling, the sky is falling

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
Someone who has never taken the time to actually read with a heart to understand Barth, has written the following: Most of these young professors were infected with neo-orthodoxy; the then fashionable "reformed" liberalism of Swiss theologian Karl Barth. Neo-orthodoxy claims that the human

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
I wrote you off line, Judy, yesterday ! You have nothing correct and I have spelled that out to you. let's keep it in the private domain. I am not going to discussion this in detail on TT. PERIOD. For one thing, it will appear that I am defending myself and I neither have the need to do this

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Sorry I didn't notice that anything was off line or that you spelled out anything to me. However, if you don't choose to discuss this - it's fine with me. On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:43:36 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wrote you off line, Judy, yesterday ! You have nothing

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
This is a very good understanding, in small part, to what I see in Barth - and I think Barth is correct: From 1932 to 1967 he (Barth)worked on his Church Dogmatics, a multivolume work that was unfinished at his death. It consists of 13 parts in four volumes, running altogether to more than

Re: [TruthTalk]

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
Do you have some kind of problem with "off line?" I am not going to discuss here , on TT. If we start doing that, then where do we draw the line? TT has it's own worries. I didn't say that I did not want to discuss it. I said that I do not want to discuss it publicly. You have my address.

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
Judy, let's assume that we could take all the words you've posted to TT and bind them together in a book. What would it number, say, maybe 9000 pages? Would a single one of them be worth reading? What were you attempting to do with those words, if not to unfold the revealed word attested in

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
JD why do you think Barth is correct? Have you ever asked yourself why a God who promised through the prophet Jeremiah 2631yrs ago and later through the prophet Ezekiel 2602yrs ago that He would make a New Covenant with His ppl and that this New Covenant would include writingHis Law in their

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:36:51 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, let's assume that we could take all the words you've posted to TT and bind them together in a book. What would it number, say, maybe 9000 pages? Would a single one of them be worth reading? What were you

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
You know, it just amazes me. One could stand up and preach for a lifetime and maybe, just maybe, be considered a great man of God (although that is even doubtful). But put those words in a book andOh NO!now he's a theologian. Christians are so stupid. Bill - Original Message -

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Not a very loving evaluation of God's workmanship Bill Lots of men have spent a "lifetime" preaching some agenda or another - only those who 'in obedience' are speaking God's oracles will receive a reward and I don't hold much hope for those who add to or take from THE WRITTEN RECORD. The

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
It's not God's fault. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Not a very loving

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
What is not God's fault? The words youspeak concerningHis ppl? IYO could Barth smarten them up? Or should we listen to Paul who writes that we already have the mind of Christ? On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:35:22 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not God's fault. From: Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
Were you talking to me? I wasn't listening. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" What

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
In all sincerity, Judy, don't you see the irony in your endeavor? When you write or speak, you want others to listen to you. You feel entitled to that. The proof of this: when they don't listen, you feel like you have been dissed. Why? because you think you have something important and

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
That is about the stupidest thing you have ever said, Gary. Congratulations. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:46 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once

RE: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, must one be up to date on the trendy side of Christianity, Lance? Give me that old time religion! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:36 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
Judy, Bill has correctly cast the shadow -- you believe that you are one of the few who is not doing theology !!!Barth's reverence and high regard for faith as the "x" factor that brings all The Faith together is the most startling concept presenting itself as one reads Barth for the first time

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Kevin, I cant speak for the SDAs as Ive never met one. I can only speak for myself, and I have not replaced the gift of Jesus with the Saturday Sabbath. I just read the ten commandments and there it was. I tried it. I liked it. I still do. I cant find anywhere that Gods word revoked it.

RE: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Judy, would you say that the less you have the Holy Spirit to teach and guide you, the more you need Barth and others? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Was Barth inspired or misguided in his belief that the task of theology is to

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
Hi Iz. I have a question for you: How is it that God intends us to keep the Sabbath? Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

RE: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
For some time I have been studying, not Barth, but some of his students on TT. Overall, they seem like a cranky bunch at best. iz You will try in vain to get me into an argument over Karl Barth. I just simply won't do it. If you are interested in the man, then read his works

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
Very good, John. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Judy, Bill has correctly cast the shadow -- you believe

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Ex 20:8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
Imagine that! I've already read this. Judy is right: you are irrelevant. Bill - Original Message - Hi Iz. I have a question for you: How is it that God intends us to keep the Sabbath?Bill Ex 20:8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
If if if you really need to ask this question, you know nothing of the Holy Spirit.-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:49:45 -0600Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Judy, would you say

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
In spite of the fact that you have already read it, you asked me how God intends us to keep the Sabbath I give you Gods verbatim guidelines as an answer. For that you insult me. This is what becomes of Barth followers? Not trendy, or up-to-date, or intellectual, or relevant enough for you?

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Terry Clifton
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE WHO TRULY KNOWS THE lORD ONLY WORSHIP HIM ONE DAY A WEEK? We are free to worship any day, any place, any time. Live it up! Kevin Deegan wrote: The gift is Jesus Christ NOT Sturday! I believe the SDA have replaced Jesus with the SATURDAY Sabbath only In

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
L K J - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm In spite of the fact that you have already read it, you asked me how God intends us to

RE: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
The Holy Spirit will guide us as we allow. Some things can be a hindrance to that, including who/what we read. It appears to me that those who revere Barth dont become more like Jesus, but thats just from my personal experience on TT. Im not here to hurt your feelings by bashing someone

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
I listened to and, transcribed some 550 hrs of FS lectures. I do believe myself to be in a position to pass comment on FS. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 04, 2005 11:38 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Warning!!!

RE: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Then why dont you pass comment, Lance, instead of passing judgment? What specifically is out of date about that godly man IYO? izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:59 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

[TruthTalk]

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Remarks by Rabbi Daniel Lapin on December 1, 2005 at The National Press Club, Washington DC Rabbi Daniel Lapin Jews Fighting for Christmas Good afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen. I appreciate you being here today to hear what I, an Orthodox rabbi, have to say about

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
No Bill. My message is "READ THE BIBLE" and then we can talk. the Golden Rule is good but can't apply to most of the ppl you mention because they have gone on to their reward whatever that might be. On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:34:49 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In all sincerity,

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
That 'godly man' was, is, will be a 'godly man' His work in some areas was far superior than in others. His supreme achievement, IMO, was the establishment of L'abri Fellowship. He opened it to all, he engaged culture wholly and, he invited believers to embrace their faith thoughtfully and

[TruthTalk] Judy says: gone on to their reward WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE

2005-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
Judy: When you go on to your reward 'whatever THAT might be' you can ask 'em how it is that they got THERE WHEREVER THAT might be! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 04, 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
When did I ever say she is irrelevant Bill? These are your words not mine, please retract them. On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:40:22 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine that! I've already read this. Judy is right: you are irrelevant. Bill - Original Message -

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Yes. I know many, including myself. I am surprised that you do not. ShieldsFamily wrote: I dont know anyone who does that, Terry. Do you? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Did Jesus say that after He had gone to the Father he would send a real smart theologian by the name of Barth to "unfold the revealed work attested in the scriptures" JD?. Of course not - and we have the Bereans for an example - they were able to search the scriptures daily to see if what

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" In all sincerity, Judy, don't you see the irony

RE: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Agreed. But once again you have ducked the question which you stirred up. What do you find out of date about FS work? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:14 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Yes, I think it an astute observation Iz. Kind of like when God thundered and roared from the Mount and Israel quaking told Moses - You go up and see what He is saying On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:49:45 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, would you say that the

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
Some theologians are relevant; e.g., Judy. And others are not; e.g., not Izzy. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Not any true followers of Christ. And what does that have to do with Sabbath keeping? Please re-read Ex 20:8 and see if it says there to only worship God on one day a week. Have you not known me long enough, even on TT, to know that I worship the Lord every minute of every day? And I dont

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
His work in philosopjhy was weak. An excellent philosopher, Tom Morris, did a rather detailed appraisal a year or two after his death. By the by, there's no 'ducking' going on here. Were I or others to discuss his work at any length you would be bored; as David said just yesterday he was

[TruthTalk] Happily Judy, He sent us you.

2005-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 04, 2005 14:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Did Jesus say that after He had gone to the Father he would

[TruthTalk] WELL THEN, may we be treated to a little evidence of same?

2005-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 04, 2005 14:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Yes, I think it an astute observation Iz. Kind of like when

RE: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
It just seems to me that if FS spoke truth, then that cannot be out of date. Worldly dross can be, but not truth. FS did not seem full of the world to me. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:36 PM To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Are you now joined at the hip with Gary and Lance?. I said neither and you need to state this plainly. These are your thoughts and your words entirely On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:36:09 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some theologians are relevant; e.g., Judy. And others are not;

Re: [TruthTalk] Happily Judy, He sent us you.

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Why do you have to have anyone at all Lance? I know it's a slam but really - to be so dependent on men is idolatry. Just think if you spent all those hours transcribing God's Word it it would have benefited you. On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:37:04 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
So you do see the irony? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" So now you have

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
conservative constraint constrains comprehension, callit constriction On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:07:46 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: unless one is born again they can not even see the KOG --new birth of the Spirit..[is] required..[to] have fellowship with others in the body

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
..like a bull snake on a fat cat, ablack belt on th' butter ball'sbaloney On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:23:01 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: conservative constraint constrains comprehension, callit constriction On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:07:46 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
9,000 pages of his Dogmatic Barth can say less with more words than any manI know! Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill writes: "It will take many years, I'm sure, before Barth will be allowed to speak for himself to the conservative community. In the meantime Evangelical Christians

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst ....The sky is faling, the sky is falling

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
This afternoon I checked my copy of Barth - Evangelical THEOLOGY. I noticed something Strange, in the whole book there is a total of about 6 pages that have ANY Scripture References on the page! The absence of Scripture is stunning. In fact there are two references to scripture in the WHOLE

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Hardly the kind of atmosphere where faith grows.Maybe that is why barth Devotes a WHOLE chapter to "DOUBT" in Evangelical THEOLOGYJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:36:51 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Judy, let's assume that we could take all

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
..just thinkin' howJCs word of Wisdom nourishes the soul (even of the strangled and stranded:) On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:37:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..like a bull snake on a fat cat, ablack belt on th' butter ball'sbaloney On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:23:01 -0700 [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:16:35 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || [rather,] barth Devotes a WHOLE chapter to [eradicating]"DOUBT" in Evangelical THEOLOGY||

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Now you are confusing me. Firsy you say you do not know anyone who worships any place, any day, and now you say you worship every minute, eery day. I wouldn't know much about Sabbath keeping. It doesn't apply to me. I don't even know much about some of the stuff that does apply to me.

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
You did not answer the question. Do you think everyone who goes to Church on Sunday is worshipping the BEAST?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, I can’t speak for the SDA’s as I’ve never met one. I can only speak for myself, and I have not replaced the gift of

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
God does not need the gymnastics of your theology to make clear what it is that we are to believe. He would have simply said (God speaking ex-cathedra !!) believe this and do not believe that - the impact of this doctrine is this and you are hell bound if you believe that. He spoke that way in

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Evangelicals know that their doctrine of verbal/plenary only effects the original documents.So it is a MOOT point there is NO Verbal/Plenary Inspirations since there are NO "Originals" Gods word is NOT Verbal/Plenary Inspired in your eyes,except MAYBE in the NON Existant LONG ago LOST

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
There are those that try. But is that really "worship"?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don’t know anyone who does that, Terry. Do you? izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:37 PMTo:

RE: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
IHO see the web site.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Then why don’t you pass comment, Lance, instead of passing judgment? What specifically is “out of date” about that godly man IYO? izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
apparently Jesus saideverything he needed to say back then, but you sound more like his parrot than his sheep, Bro; why not try interacting with us, like you're one of us on the planetrather thanthe Voicefrom above? On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:35:26 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
(listen to yourself sometime, Bro--sometimes its even interesting:) On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:46:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sometimes God Orders the destruction of THE "ORIGINAL" so that what we have is nothing but a copy.

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Sorry Bub, he has loosed my stammering tongue!And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue loosed, and he spake, and praised God. And NOW My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. PS 45 my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. His word Name will

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
This is a BIG problem for your 'god', not mine![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (listen to yourself sometime, Bro--sometimes its even interesting:)On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:46:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:sometimes God Orders the destruction of THE "ORIGINAL" so that what

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
:-)-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:23:01 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth) conservative constraint constrains comprehension, callit constriction On Sun, 4 Dec

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst ....The sky is faling, the sky is falling

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
So what? Beats quoting one proof text after another without any understanding. His Dogmatics have something around 800 scriptural refereces per volume regardless of the sizes of the volume. That's something like 9000 to 10,000 scriptures . But you don't really care whether he uses scripture or

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
:-)-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:22:36 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm Now you are confusing me. Firsy you say you do not know anyone who worships any place, any day, and now you say you

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
You call what you do here "interacting with others" Gary? Now this is really interesting. I'd say Lance is the voice from above and Kevin's is like "regular folk"even ifhis subject matter is re another Kingdom. On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:53:03 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: apparently Jesus

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
verbal plenary is unnecessary if we accept God's providence both in the preservation of scripture and in the receiving of His word into our lives. This is not the same as being inspired to receive, by the way. Being "inspired to receive" offers no reasonto revisit a thoroughly studied passage of

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
actaully he did. he placed apostles, evangelists, prophets, pastors and teachers in the Chruch. Barth would be a teacher. You would be a member. jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Blainerb473
See my comments below: Blainerb Who are the Sabbath-keepers? The main Sabbatarian faith groups (religious groups that currently worship on Saturday) are: Branch Davidians (Students of the Seven Seals) Church of God (7th Day) House of

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
jd in red. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:48:03 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:38:23 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst ....The sky is faling, the sky is falling

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
Read for yourself. But you really don't care if he usesscripture or not. Just a phony concern. Just another phony concern. jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:50:56

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 12/4/2005 10:00:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ex 20:8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
Good post. By the way, I am not arguing Barth - I am explaining him to the best of my knowledge. That's all. Look -- what are we going to discuss here on TT? Wehave pretty much said all that can be said about any number of subjects. As long as we keep the biblical message at the center of the

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
my God is the God of parrots and poets, Bro; he's made noproblems likeyou wanna create On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:11:34 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a BIG problem for your 'god', not mine![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (listen to yourself sometime,

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
sure--good questions get positive responses requests: my style interests you--eh? On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:30:55 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You call what you do here "interacting with others" Gary? Now this is really interesting. ||

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Of course not. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:39 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm You did not answer the question. Do you think everyone

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
You need to go back and read the scripture, Terry. Its not about worshipping only one day; I repeat. True Believers live a life of worship. Get it? Do you only worship the Lord on Sunday? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
a theology of 'sincere'works in the works? On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:21:53 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We should not belittle the sincere efforts of each other..

RE: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
JD, you and the other followers of Barth are testimony enough of that. iz There is simply nothing that has been presentedon TT thatevidences Barth as aliberal.

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Whered you get that quoteJsmith? iz -therefore it hath an end in me. Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] Virtue of Name Calling

2005-12-04 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: I find it humorous that you do not include yourself in the following critical review relating to ad hom comments. I do not believe that I should be making ad hominem arguments on this list. I try very hard not to do so. If you EVER think that I have, please write me privately off

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
Barth as even more Christ centered than you, IMO. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:57:17 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" What?? Not arguing Barth?? I

Re: [TruthTalk] Virtue of Name Calling

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
This is my story and I'm stickin to it.Whether or not I approach privately will have to do with the nature of the offense, real or imagined , and my view of yourreceptiveness. In the past , you have been confused as to the nature of "ad hom," making a private complaint a poor expense of energy.

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-04 Thread Terry Clifton
I thought that I had made that clear in prior posts ShieldsFamily wrote: Do you only worship the Lord on Sunday? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:23 PM To:

[TruthTalk] New Subject--AE

2005-12-04 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: May I suggest another topic of interest to me? I am curious as to if any of you folks ever consider what would have happened IF Adam and Eve had not transgressed. Does that discussion ever come up with you folks? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look -- what are we going to discuss

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
No.Actually, I have never heard this question discussed. You asked me to comment on a question -- perhaps a week ago, now. Aaaahh, was it "were A E predestined to sin? jd-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 04 Dec 2005

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