Great stuff, Dave H. Sometimes we are much closer
to the truth than we are even aware. Keep it up!
Bill
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Kevin Deegan wrote:
Where do you get the teaching
Wm. Taylor wrote:
So much kindness. I agree.
I love you, my friend, and hope to
show you why in due course.
DAVEH: Thanx for your reply, Bill. I must say that I very much
appreciate your kind and humble way of expressing yourself. I wish you
had been here last year to help
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Wm. Taylor wrote:
So much kindness. I agree.
I love you, my friend, and hope to show you why
in due course.DAVEH: Thanx for your reply,
Bill. I must say that I very much appreciate
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Dave
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Wm. Taylor wrote:
So much kindness. I agree.
I love you, my friend, and hope
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Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.
Wm. Taylor wrote:
Hi David,
I am not so foolish as to think that I can
dissuade and then persuade with only a couple of short
hellos;DAVEH: Ahhh.It is nice to chat
with a fellow
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Where do you get the teaching that men are born spiritualy alive?
DAVEH: I ponder what Jesus said about our need to become like
children, and how children relate to the kingdom of heaven. (Mt 19:14)
What exactly is inheriting a "physical state" ?
DAVEH: Being born
Hi Terry:
If it were that way with Christ we would see it in scripture by
two or more witnesses. The kinsman redeemer concept is a beautiful one for
Ruth and Boaz who were God's OT covenant people after the flesh. We as
gentiles become God's covenant people in
JT: Positional truth has the
mindset that since we were all in Adam and he is a representative man that we
were all in Christ on the cross - "Were you there when they crucified my Lord"
etc. But the concept is faulty. It came out of the Keswick Conventions in the UK
in the 1900's.
Thanks,
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From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:22 AM
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Hi DaveH,
We lost the image of God when Adam fell and Gen 5:3 teaches us that
Seth who
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Greetings jandg,
everyone born of the flesh is born in sin. I think it was Vince who said
something like That's right. That's why he
Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking a few words out of context, and then not giving the reference so we can read the entire scripture makes it difficult for me to either believe your point or even disbelieve it as being true. Would youmind giving the entire reference?
Read the post
Nobody ever said Jesus was born with a sin on Him. Nobody is born
with another's sin on them. People are born with the fallen nature which
we receive from AE.
Jesus is God. I have no trouble believing that He could have a
sinful nature in His fleshly body and still be holy and sinless.
11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we
have.
Blaine: Taking a few words out of context, and then not giving the
reference so we can read the entire scripture makes it difficult for me
to
either believe your point or even disbelieve it as being true
: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful
flesh we have.
Nobody ever said Jesus was born with a sin on Him. Nobody is born
with another's sin on them. People are born with the fallen nature which
we receive from AE.
Jesus is God. I have no trouble believing that He could have
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From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:20
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the same sinful flesh we have.
Hi Bill. You have been sharing some very
interestin
Where do you get the teaching that men are born spiritualy alive?
What exactly is inheriting a "physical state" ?
Why does that state have DEATH attached to it?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
butthey die; for what reason?DAVEH: They physically die because of inheriting
)
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:47:19 -0700 Pastor Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
You are in Christ by way of his
March 02, 2004 10:18
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Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
butthey die; for what
reason?DAVEH: They physically die
because of inheriting Adam's physical state. They are spiritually alive
because
on Jesus had the same sinful
flesh we
have.
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:47:19 -0700 Pastor Bob
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
You are in Christ by way of his
inclusion of you in the Incarnation.
I believe we are in Christ by virtue of the fact that His
Holy
Spirit indwells
later on,
Bill
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From: Dave
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
butthey die; for what reason?DAVEH: They physically die because of in
10:18
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Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
butthey die; for what
reason?DAVEH: They physically die
because of inheriting Adam's physical state. They are spiritually alive
because they have
Ignorance of the law has never been an excuse.
We were all born children of wrath - by nature when we were babies.
(Ephesians 2:3)
Paul was alive once in Adam before the fall but he was never alive in his
lifetime
until he received Christ - he was born and lived most of his life under the
D]
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on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
butthey die; for what
reason?DAVEH: They physically die
because of in
had the same sinful flesh we have.
Ignorance of the law has never been an excuse.
We were all born children of wrath - by nature when we were babies.
(Ephesians 2:3)
Paul was alive once in Adam before the fall but he was never alive in his
lifetime
until he received Christ - he
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Question: How can a child be born spiritually alive
and at the same time be born an heir of Adam, with his sin or fallen nature? I
was taught since Sunday School that Adam's sin brought spiritual death to not
only himself but all of his descendants.
JT:
. Until then, not much good can come out of our
arguing back and forth.
I'll be BT.
Thanks.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:15
AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus
had the same sinful flesh
Hey Bill:
I think you may be laboring under an
illusion. Not all of us think that it took the go'el. Some of us
are so uneducated that we have never heard of go'el. We figure it took
the blood shed on the cross, not the blood in our veins.
Hope this does not offend you, but
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:51
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Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.
Hey Bill:
I think you may be laboring under an
illusion. Not all of us think that it took the go'el. Some of us
are so uneducated that we have never hear
PM
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Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.
Hey Terry, I hope for your sake it is an
illusion, because when I look around, you're not in it. :) Just kidding,
just kidding.
No really, go'el is a Hebrew transliteration
ad actually become and had actually done while in the
flesh.
Bill
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From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:20
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Hi Bill.
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy, it's not that I'm opposed to or even unaware
of the format of this forum. I know it ishere so that people can have some
give and take. But Judy, I'm not able to do that with you. It's not because I'm
not willing to give; it's because you're not
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:48
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Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.
Hey Terry, I hope for your sake it is an
illusion, because when I look around, you're not in it. :) Just kidding,
just kidding.
No rea
Judy Taylor wrote:
Hi DaveH,
We lost the "image of God" when Adam fell
DAVEH: That seems contrary to what the Lord says in Gen 3:22..
...Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
..Logically, it was AFTER the fall that AE took on the image
of God if vs
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy Taylor
wrote:Hi DaveH,We lost the "image of God" when Adam fell
DAVEH: That seems contrary to what the Lord says in Gen
3:22.Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good
and evil: Logically, it was AFTER the fall that AE took on
the
butthey die; for what
reason?
G ~ P
235
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:00:11 -0800 Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I do not believe infants can
sin...
said
something like That's right. That's why he had to get the same flesh in
him.
Grace and Truth,
Robert
From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:20
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 22:48:58 -0700 Pastor Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Greetings jandg,
everyone born of the flesh is born in sin. I think it was Vince
who said
something like That's right. That's why he had to get the same flesh
in him.
Grace and Truth,
Robert
No, I think
who
said
something like That's right. That's why he had to get the same flesh
in
him.
Grace and Truth,
Robert
From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh
we
have
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:47:19 -0700 Pastor Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
You are in Christ by way of his
inclusion of you in the Incarnation.
I believe we are in Christ by virtue of the fact that His Holy
Spirit indwells us. If His incarnation into the human family is all it
took for us
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:00:11 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy Taylor wrote:
We lost the "image of God" when Adam fell
DAVEH: That seems contrary to what the Lord says in Gen
3:22..
...Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
..Logically, it was
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
butthey die; for what reason?
DAVEH: They physically die because of inheriting Adam's physical state.
They are spiritually alive because they have not sinned.
G ~ P 235
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:00:11 -0800
Dave [EMAIL
Judy, Let me sum up what I am saying, and then I will close with a couple
of words about finding reconciliation in the midst of impasse.
When Jesus tore into this world through the hymen (or veil or curtain) of
the virgin Mary, he came covered from head to toe in the blood of the
world. Not
Welcome to TT Pastor Bob at Hotmail, glad to have you with us
even if we can't agree. Jesus isn't your blood relative. He was not
born after the flesh. Actually you are agreeing with the Pharisees of
John 9:24 - the ones who told the man born blind, we know that this
man is a sinner - No matter
From: Pastor Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow! Good stuff, very visual. What a powerful summary of the Gospel of
our
Lord. You've spent some time in the Word, haven't you? Your association
with
Jesus' blood running through our veins is especially on the mark. The
go'el
or
Trump
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:17:32 -0600
From: Pastor Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow! Good stuff, very visual. What
: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:20:17 -0500
Welcome to TT Pastor Bob at Hotmail, glad to have you with us
even if we can't agree. Jesus isn't your blood relative. He was not
born after the flesh. Actually you are agreeing with the Pharisees
why he had to get the same flesh in
him.
Grace and Truth,
Robert
From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:20:17 -0500
Welcome to TT Pastor Bob
DAVEH: I'm hesitant to jump into another's discussion, but it sure
seems to me that the simple answer to this may be realized IF one
considers that children may not be born with sinners, but rather they
become sinners when they learn to discern right from wrong.and then
choose wrong
Pastor Bob wrote:
Greetings jandg,
everyone born of the flesh is born in sin.
DAVEH: I assume this is believed by most Protestants? If so, is it
scriptural.or, just a traditional belief?
I think it was Vince who said something like That's right. That's why
he had to get the same flesh
Hi DaveH,
We lost the image of God when Adam fell and Gen 5:3 teaches us that
Seth who carried the godly seed was born in the image of Adam rather
than the image of God and it goes downhill from there. All of us are all
born with inherited iniquity from the Fathers and the walk of salvation
is
Good question, Dave. But if it is okay with you I'll defer to Judy. I was
quoting her when I wrote it.
Grace and Truth,
Bob
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Date: Mon
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