Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
See John in green. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 11:30:49 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD -Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov

RE: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
JD, we do understand your point. We just dont agree with it. But do you understand our point? Do you understand that we (on this side of the argument) believe that it is not NECESSARY for a Believer to continue to live in a struggle with TWO entities (the Old and the New) constantly at

RE: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 10:40:29 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond 24"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." ~Jesus Christ cd:2 Do yo

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
cd: In verse 28 God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things mentioned in v.29-he takes the gift of understand (discernment) away from those people mentioned in v.27. So then v29 is the result of v.27. Consider what Adam Clark has to say on the matter: Rom 1:28 - They did not like

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
ore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:12:35 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD cd: In verse 28 God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things mentioned in v.29-he takes the gift of understand (discernment) away from those people

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
ht use of these powers." Everything that happens to these individuals is of their own doing. Do you see my point? jd -Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:12:35 -0500Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
ything that happens to these individuals is of their own doing. Do you see my point? jd -Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:12:35 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD cd: In ve

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
own doing. Do you see my point? jd -Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:12:35 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD cd: In ve

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
ail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:12:35 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD cd: In verse 28 God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things mentioned in v.29-he takes the gift of understand (discernment) away from those people mentioned in v.27. So then v2

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
. Do you see my point? jd -Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:12:35 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD cd: In

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
:22:12 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD I know I'm wasting my time with this ... sigh!! I don't have a message JD. Romans 12:19 is God's message in the New Testament - the same message as all through the rest of the Bible which you summarily reject because your God

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
myth (it's a trick eliminating your thinking from reality) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:44:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't have a message JD.

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
Perhapssomeone should consider that I am not. -Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:54:24 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 10:26:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD Good comments, below. I havelong believed, i.e. Ro 1:18-29, that the most damaging of all realities is the one tied

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 10:26:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD Good comments, below. I havelong believed, i.e. Ro 1:18-29, that the most damaging of all realities is the one tied to this statement

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 11:30:49 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD -Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:54:30 -0500Subject

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 1:55:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 10:26:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread knpraise
Actually, Ro 1: 18-25 is a statement ofcircumstances failed and , as such, find the sinner given over to his own creation.Homosexuality is only one of 26 sins listed -- a list that was NOT intended to bea complete list, no doubt. Verses 18-25 applies to back-talking parents just as much as it

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:42:23 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, Ro 1: 18-25 is a statement ofcircumstances failed and , as such, find the sinner given over to his own creation. Romans 1 speaks of what happens to people who hold the truth in unrighteousness. That

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread Christine Miller
Judy wrote: There is no such animal as a "believing sinner" - Sin is sin, and righteousness is righteous. Abraham believed and it was counted to him for righteousness. The just shall live by faith.Amen, Judy! While I know we have never addressed this issue on TT before, I suspect

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread Judy Taylor
Oh I agree Christine and I believe that some of the confusion is engendered by the many Bible translations but as you point out this can be overcome if one really sets their heart to know the Lord. Last week our BSF lesson was so good - in it they noted that "Though the actual language and

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread David Miller
t is wrong with homosexuality. :-) Peace be with you.David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond Actually, R

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread knpraise
Makes for good homily, I am sure. -Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:08:53 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond I heard a favorite campus preacher of mine once preach Romans 1 to a group

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:52:50 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond Judy wrote:There is no such animal as a "believing sinner" - Sin is sin, and rig

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-23 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 9:42:23 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond Actually, Ro 1: 18-25 is a statement ofcircumstances failed and , as such, find the sinner given over to his own creation.Homosexuality

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 6:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond -Original Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:52:50 -0800

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 6:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond -Original Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:52:50 -0800

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:40:06 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Original Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:52:50 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread Dean Moore
] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:40:06 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Original Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:52:50 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond Judy

RE: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
24Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment. ~Jesus Christ Who made the comparison of exhortation to judging? Certainly not me. Paul is the one making the point (Ro 2:1ff). Paul is certainly in favor of calling a spade a spade. But

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-23 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:54:30 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 9:42:23 AM Subject