24, 2003 12:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
G'day
Izzy et al,
You
wrote:
>I
just think that when I
>miscarried,
years ago, and very early on, that I lost a real Person.
>I
look forward to meeting that Person in heaven.
Thanks
fo
G'day Izzy et al,
You wrote:
>I just think that when I
>miscarried, years ago, and very early on, that I lost a real Person.
>I look forward to meeting that Person in heaven.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I hope you realise your dream and
wouldn't want to disabuse you.
Just for completenes
Maybe this will answer some of the questions. laura
Blood Circulation in the Fetus and Newborn
How does the fetal circulatory system work?
During pregnancy, the fetal circulatory system works differently than after birth:
The fetus is connected by the umbilical cord to the placenta, the orga
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
David, Good questions, and I don't know. I just think that when I
miscarried, years ago, and very early on, that I lost a real Person. I look
forward to meeting that Person in heaven. Izzy
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Izzy wrote:
> If Mary had aborted Jesus, would she have
> killed a Person or a non-Person?
> Therefore, I deduce that a preborn human
> being is a Person.
If Mary had mi
In a message dated 1/23/2003 12:14:10 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mary had miscarried early on, would that mean Jesus would have died prior
to the cross? Isn't it possible that the Spirit of Jesus did not get
imparted into the fetus until sometime after the fetus had devel
Izzy wrote:
> If Mary had aborted Jesus, would she have
> killed a Person or a non-Person?
> Therefore, I deduce that a preborn human
> being is a Person.
If Mary had miscarried early on, would that mean Jesus would have died prior
to the cross? Isn't it possible that the Spirit of Jesus did not
on't be so open minded that your brains fall out."
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:36 PM
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Izzy wrote:
> At
This is my belief Laura
Five signs of life in the womb:
1. Heartbeat
Modern technology can detect a baby's heartbeat eighteen days after conception.
That is only four days after most women miss a period and begin to suspect they are pregnant.
Most abortions are not performed until the
Izzy wrote:
> At what exact point would you say that is?
> I say there is no exact point that you can
> POINT to.
I can't right now, but I would definitely not point to the point of
conception. I think it is either sometime around 40 days after conception,
or at birth when the first breath is tak
Izzy, you haven't
explained, from the Bible, what a human being is and
when they start.
Until proven otherwise, I’ll
go with the “from my mother’s womb” part.
Psalm 13913
For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.
You have clearly identified
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How can you say with certainty that it did not change
into a person at some
point along that continuum?
At what exact point would
you say that is? I say there is no exact point that you can POINT to. J
Suppose for the sake of a
G'day Izzy,
Izzy, you have introduced "human being" and "really human".
David has introduced "soul" and "spirit" and cloning.
Shakespeare (not on the list) wrote "What's in a name? A rose by any other
name would smell as sweet". However, in discussing issues, if there is no
agreement on the meanin
Izzy wrote:
> It is still a HUMAN BEING all the way;
> no side-stepping can get around that.
> It is on a continuum of growth and development
> from the zygote phase onward.
> At NO point on that continuum can you say
> it changed into a Person.
How can you say with certainty that it did not chang
of an aardvark, if you would kindly forward a photo
of yourself to TT, we can observe it for any similarities. :-)
Izzy
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On 22/1/03 11:18 AM, "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter, Are you saying that a human life is NOT a human person? Then
> whattheheck is it??? Wouldn¹t you agree that they are both HUMANS? (I¹m
> assuming that prior to your birth you were not an aardvark.) Izzy
G'day Izzy, Laura et a
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Peter
wrote:
Whew!!
Thanks for that. I thought you might have been saying that somehow
the
preborn infant was actually breathing air. Your "breath of life" then
means
indirect Oxygen transport through the mother's blood in the umbilical
cord
attached to the t
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I have asked the question when does human life become
a human person?
Peter, Are you saying that a human
life is NOT a human person? Then whattheheck is it??? Wouldn’t you agree
that they are both HUMANS? (I’m assuming that prior to your birth you
wer
In a message dated 1/21/2003 4:27:55 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I saw snow on the ground once when I was driven across the Sierra-Nevadas
from Sacramento to Las Vegas. Apart from that I have difficulty with the
concept of actually living in such cold places. Maybe I should
On 22/1/03 8:26 AM, "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It's still oxygen. It still keeps that baby alive until it can reach outside
>air.(Don¹t tell me you are determined to nit-pick.
>Nit-picking is just another word for splitting hairs due to heard-hearted
>unbelief. It¹s a tactic appar
Peter wrote:
Whew!! Thanks for that. I thought you might have been
saying that somehow
the preborn infant was actually breathing air. Your
"breath of life" then
means indirect Oxygen transport through the mother's
blood in the umbilical
cord attached to the torso and not by dir
On 22/1/03 7:50 AM, "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Obviously the preborn infant receives the "breath of life" through its
> mother until birth--if you cut that off (through the umbilical cord blood
> supply), the child dies prior to birth. This happens frequently due to an
> obstruc
fall out."
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Peter Eyland
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:41 PM
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On 22/1/03 2:15 AM, "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g
On 22/1/03 2:15 AM, "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As a former Labor & Delivery nurse I can tell you this: Prior to
> birth if you tie off the umbilical cord, then you will learn the difference
> between a "Living" and a "Dead" human being being born. It had the "breath
> of life" in
Peter,
I appreciate what seems to be your sincere effort to determine when life
begins. As a former Labor & Delivery nurse I can tell you this: Prior to
birth if you tie off the umbilical cord, then you will learn the difference
between a "Living" and a "Dead" human being being born. It had the "b
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> On 21/1/03 3:35 PM, "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You do not need to know the answer to that question at bthis time
On 21/1/03 2:35 PM, "Marlin Halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It might help me if you had your topics more bite sized.
My apologies Marin,
It seemed to me that David was starting further "down the track" than I
expected so I wanted to bring you "up to speed".
Hebrews 7: 9-10
³One might even
On 21/1/03 3:35 PM, "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You do not need to know the answer to that question at bthis time. All you
> need to know now is that god put that human life there with the intent that
> it become a human person, and you have no right to mess with God's plan.
> Som
Terry
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From: "Peter Eyland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
G'day Guys,
I have asked the question when does human life become a human person?
The Bible lin
>
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Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
G'day Guys,
I have asked the question when does human life become a human person?
--
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may kno
G'day Guys,
I have asked the question when does human life become a human person?
The Bible links a person's life with a breath from God, e.g.
Genesis 6:17 ³I bring the flood to destroy all flesh, in which is the
breath of life everything that is in the earth shall die².
Genesis 7:15 ³They we
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