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I thought it was figured out that dynamically unloading and reloading the
dll was the problem, which other components probably don't do, and I think
you were given a workaround that worked
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Strange logic Henrik,
Even Microsoft's Works doesn't/didn't work with this buggy, API
hooking Embassy Trust Suite pre
Henrik wrote:
Hi Arno!
As I've said before Arno, You're a funny guy, though I'm sure
unintentionally. Doesn't seem so long ago You kept going on with
viruses and
trojans and didn't even seem to read the note I made about that we
were able
to duplicate ICS's problems with the environment
Can't help myself... just have to comment this... (sorry)
You can read in earlier mails why I do not want the dll to be loaded at all
time.
1) You didn't want a dll linked to _your application_ even when you can
be pretty sure that the DLL itself
is already loaded in memory at all times
Hi Arno and others!
Some of the heavy work load I experienced a while ago has decreased a bit so
I thought that I should take the opportunity to thank You ALL that tried to
help me.
At the end the solution for me was to use another smtp component. Sorry
about that. (As a request by Francois
Strange logic Henrik,
Even Microsoft's Works doesn't/didn't work with this buggy, API
hooking Embassy Trust Suite pre-installed on newer DELL systems.
Possibly they already fixed it in some service pack? If not,
someone/we should report the bug to either DELL or Wave Systems.
I was hoping that
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Hi Arno and others!
Some of the heavy work load I experienced a while
Henrik wrote:
Hi Arno!
ProcessExplorer:
I only find two dll's that I'm not certain what they do:
- detoured.dll
- wxvault.dll (Embassy Trust Suite by Wave Systems. Apparently
installed
by default by Dell)
Henrik,
The problem is *not a bug in ICS*. Instead another process
injects
Thank You Bjørnar!
God Jul!
// Henrik
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I'm not sure
that appears on some machines...
Thank You very much!
Best Regards
Henrik
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Best Regards
Henrik
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Henrik wrote
We have now discovered that:
Yes, the error do not arise when using WSocketForceLoadWinsock or having
the
smtp component on the main form (or creating a dummy smtp component at
runtime and let it exist while the application is running).
WSocketForceLoadWinsock immediately load the DLL. If you
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Hi Bjørnar!
I've not been experiencing any problem with character
replacement (å-e,
ä-d and ö-v) with ICS components, only Indy 9 and only
: [twsocket] Freeze when using smtp after recreating
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Henrik wrote:
Arno,
Can you rule out that an application that has set a global hook is
actually working correctly? i.e. RealVNC server injects a
wm_hook.dll into each process space, if such interception was buggy
one can imagine
Arno,
See answers below...
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Skickat: den 18 december 2006 19:40
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(According
I tested the NUMPROC=1 but with no difference I'm afraid...
Well, perhaps we've done what we can for now. As I've said before:
Thank You very much for Your efforts!
I can not spend so many more days on this now (the same for
You I would imagine)
I have not read the whole thread but I saw
Henrik wrote:
Arno,
Can you rule out that an application that has set a global hook is
actually working correctly? i.e. RealVNC server injects a wm_hook.dll
into each process space, if such interception was buggy one can
imagine that it would hurt, ICS may be hit especially since TWSocket
is
Hello Henrik,
I can not spend so many more days on this now (the same for You I would
imagine) so I'm planning to return to Indy as long as I can solve their
But you can safely use ForceLoadWinsock ! There is absolutely no problem
to use it. Only me (we) wanted to dig out where the problem is.
I use the same component and send norwegian, swedish and even chinese chars
in the subject (but Outlook can't show chinese in the subject on my
computer).
Use Quoted printable or Base64 to encode special chars. Example for Base64
could be like this (C++):
HtmlSmtpCli1-HdrSubject = =?utf-8?B? +
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Hello Henrik,
I have no idea anymore. As test I made a little application in Delphi.
Please download
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Hello Henrik,
I have no idea anymore. As test I made a little application in Delphi.
Please download
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Hello Henrik,
So it hangs in the TWSocket.DNSLookup, and OnDNSLookupDone is never fired.
You could try also by filling in the IP address of the smtp server
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Hello Henrik,
use the same test with Indy everything works fine! What is ICS doing
that none
One thing that troubles me is that smtp-components from other vendors
works
fine also on the computers where ICS gets into trouble.
What is ICS doing that none of the other smtp components or applications
are not?
Dynamically load/unload WinSock when needed ?
Contribute to the SSL Effort.
: [twsocket] Freeze when using smtp after recreating itsparentform
One thing that troubles me is that smtp-components from other vendors
works
fine also on the computers where ICS gets into trouble.
What is ICS doing that none of the other smtp components or
applications
are not?
Dynamically
Hello Henrik,
It could be an error in the Winsock load/unload of ICS.
Or a windows bug for the dynamically load / unload. Or a winsock
bug because of the dual cpu. Or some combination.
The latter is easy to test. Put in boot.ini:
/NUMPROC=1
or
/ONECPU
and reboot.
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Rgds, Wilfried [TeamICS]
Henrik wrote:
(According to Arno he had tested the example procedure we have been
talking
about on a computer with Intel Dual Core and XP without any problems.
Correct.
since he continued to talk about external issues... :-)
Correct, since we cannot be sure that you tried everything
you
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Hello Henrik,
What you could do is set in IDE some breakpoints at the places the dll is
loaded / unloaded. To see if this mechanism is working fine on the offending
machines. It is a counter that increment / decrement to decide
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I have not paid very much attention to this duscussion, but I want to say
something about using ICS on many
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Henrik,
am not willing to accept that it isn't possible to use ICS components
on all computers.
I won't accept that too, but nobody
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Hello Henrik,
this is frustrating :(
When the trace dissapears
Wilfried Mestdagh wrote:
Hello Henrik,
this is frustrating :(
Welcome to the club.
I can do a test on several
computers if you want. Please include in your mail the steps nececary
to reproduce the problem.
I wanted to help as well, but on 3 boxes here NT4 SP6a, W2K SP4,
XP SP2
Hello Arno,
Just received the compiled demo from Henrik. Tested on same boxes as you
did, nothing reproducable :( Tryed with the compiled exe from Henrik as
with recompiling from in IDE.
Something not good: In FormCreate of the ICS form there is an
appllication wide exception handler assigned
Hello Henrik,
* My workaround so far is to create another smtp component
that exists all the time the application is running. I
now discovered that this is also true with the Wsocket
component. For instance put it on the main form and
everything works on all computers.
Could it be
Forgot to mention that the XP box below has a Dual-Core
Intel CPU, that should by very close to Henrik's Dell box.
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Wilfried Mestdagh wrote:
Hello Henrik,
this is frustrating :(
Welcome to the club.
I can do a test on several
computers if you want. Please include
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Hello Arno,
Just received the compiled demo from Henrik. Tested on same
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Hello Henrik,
* My workaround so far is to create another smtp component
that exists all the time the application
Wilfried Mestdagh wrote:
Could it be the loading of Winsock dll ?
That's obviously true, since it's the only effect I can imagine
that the secondary instance could have. Is Winsock still the origin
DLL, or has it been replaced by a Virus ;-) ?
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Ok, so it is working, but still remains the question wy the dynamically
loading of winsock should not work as it should on some machines ?
Arno, you mention a virus, but should it then work with the
ForceLoadWinsock ? I recall virusses that did some things with the TCP
stack, but it was more the
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Ok, so it is working, but still remains the question wy the dynamically
Hello Henrik,
What you could do is set in IDE some breakpoints at the places the dll
is loaded / unloaded. To see if this mechanism is working fine on the
offending machines. It is a counter that increment / decrement to decide
if winsock should be load or unload.
That's the best idea I have so
So how to proceed? Can we come up with some other test scenarios?
The answer must have something to do with _how_ ICS load the dll... or any
other ideas?
// Henrik
Henrik, any default units that gets automatically added in your project like
madexcept or fastmm4 ?
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Wilfried Mestdagh wrote:
Ok, so it is working, but still remains the question wy the
dynamically loading of winsock should not work as it should on some
machines ?
Arno, you mention a virus, but should it then work with the
ForceLoadWinsock ?
I know it doesn't make much sense, there
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Hello Henrik,
What you could do is set in IDE some breakpoints at the places the dll is
loaded
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Ok, so it is working, but still remains the question wy the
dynamically
loading of winsock should
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Hello Henrik,
What you
Henrik,
am not willing to accept that it isn't possible to use ICS components
on
all computers.
I won't accept that too, but nobody from this list has confirmed the
problem and nobody seems to know how to solve it. So it would help
a lot if you could find the error condition.
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Arno
I have not paid very much attention to this duscussion, but I want to say
something about using ICS on many diffent computers and different platforms.
My company have made software based on ICS that run on W95, W98, NT, W2000,
WXP and Vista. The components used is HttpCli, SMTPCli, HtmlSMTPCli,
Question: We do understeand the word 'Freeze' the right way ? Form
cannot moved, closed, application cannot quit, etc... Right ?
It was writen in some previous posting that the application was
then at 50% cpu, so on a hyperthreaded cpu, the application is in
some fast loop, i gues
Question: We do understeand the word 'Freeze' the right way ? Form
cannot moved, closed, application cannot quit, etc... Right ?
It was writen in some previous posting that the application was
then at 50% cpu, so on a hyperthreaded cpu, the application is in
some fast loop, i gues
Henrik,
I still guess that it's caused by any crap process running on
this box. Why else does it not happen on other computers as well?
I don't know the Norman software, but have you tried to uninstall it?
I would also check the auto-started processes as well and turn
them off one after the
I still guess that it's caused by any crap process running on this box.
It sounds like you have a toilet hooked up to your computer.
The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
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material. If the
I normally just call .free never used .released.
You have to use Release when called from an event handler which originate
from the form you are freeing. Release make sure all curent events are
processed. Free does an immediate free which will crash the application if
one event handler is
Hi Frans!
Yes, each time You press the button the form is created and then released.
You also get the same problem if You set Action to caFree in the OnClose of
the created form.
Sorry, for not expressing myself any better.
My question was If you run the debug and while entring the buttonclick
Henrik,
Hmm, your 'workaround' doesn't sound logical, why should a
secondary instance of a _V5_ component have any effects,
strange?
Do you close the SMTP-form while mail is been sent?
Is the SMTP-form yet destroyed when you create another one?
When does it freeze exactely (try the buttons on the
Hi,
Procedure Variable is a variable that has scope only for a given procedure.
Example:
procedure MyForm.ButtonSendMailClick(Sender : TObject);
var
MySendMailForm : TMySendMailForm; -- Procedure Variable, for its
only accessible inside this procedure (ButtonSendMailClick)...
begin
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