Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Louie Bergsagel
I'm in my current job because I was willing to learn Python at work and on my own dime. I took a beginner's course in Python at the University of Washington because I didn't know much besides Prime Information, Henco's Info, Structure/4, UniVerse, UniData and MITS. It was fun to learn Python as

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Wjhonson
So your company hired you to write in Python with no work experience in Python? -Original Message- From: Louie Bergsagel louiebergsa...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 12:21 am Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread u2ug
mv basic doesn't require an END to an IF either -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Louie Bergsagel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:21 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Wjhonson
To: louiebergsagel louiebergsa...@gmail.com; U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:32 am Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue mv basic doesn't require an END to an IF either -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Wols Lists
On 09/12/12 17:38, Wjhonson wrote: For a single line. I don't understand how an IF would know, for multiple lines, where it's supposed to end. With a semi colon? Horrible. Computer languages should be written for humans to read, not machines. Why don't you take the OP's advice and learn

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Charlie Noah
: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue mv basic doesn't require an END to an IF either -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Louie Bergsagel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:21 AM

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Brian Leach
- From: u2ug simpson-u...@gerzio.ca To: louiebergsagel louiebergsa...@gmail.com; U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:32 am Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue mv basic doesn't require an END to an IF either -Original

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Wjhonson
Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:06 am Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue since I often find myself working in mvBasic, Delphi, C#, javascript and sometimes VB.NET at the same time

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Martin Braid
Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:06 am Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue since I often find myself working in mvBasic, Delphi, C#, javascript and sometimes VB.NET

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Wjhonson
Why are you responding? -Original Message- From: Martin Braid mbr...@epicor.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 11:04 am Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue I don't have time for this Give us all

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: Martin Braid I don't have time for this Give us all a break I completely agree. This is nonsense. And for historical accuracy and with some relevance to Pick, RPL did and still does support one or multi-line IF just like every other language on the planet. So please, done

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Wjhonson
Those of use who *wish* to discuss it can continue, and those who don't want to read it, should stop reading it and whining about being *forced* to read it ;) You aren't. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Martin Braid
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue Those of us who *wish* to discuss it can continue, and those who don't want to read it, should stop reading it and whining about being *forced* to read it ;) You aren't

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-12-09 Thread Wjhonson
] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: 09 December 2012 20:15 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue Those of us who *wish* to discuss it can continue, and those who don't want to read it, should stop reading it and whining about being *forced

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-05 Thread Charlie Noah
I do pretty well with a QWERTY keyboard, since I've been using one all my life, starting with an old Underwood typewriter. I don't think I want to try to learn the Dvorak keyboard at this point. I have enough frustrations in my life. :-) Thanks for the tip, though. Actually I did start

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-05 Thread Wols Lists
On 05/11/12 12:36, Charlie Noah wrote: I do pretty well with a QWERTY keyboard, since I've been using one all my life, starting with an old Underwood typewriter. I don't think I want to try to learn the Dvorak keyboard at this point. I have enough frustrations in my life. :-) Thanks for the

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-03 Thread Wols Lists
On 02/11/12 16:31, Charlie Noah wrote: Left handed only, when I used to be right handed? Try and get a left-handed-dvorjak keyboard layout. If you're on windows you should be able to find a key mapping somewhere. It'll then take some getting used to :-) but it should make life easier. I swear by

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-02 Thread Wols Lists
On 02/11/12 02:49, Bill Haskett wrote: Kind of reminds me of my phone. It's gotten so many functions, that barely work, now I can't even make a simple phone call. So I ditched my Android and went to a pay-as-you-go simple phone. Now I can receive and make calls without any problems. Who'd

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-02 Thread Brian Leach
November 2012 10:57 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue On 02/11/12 02:49, Bill Haskett wrote: Kind of reminds me of my phone. It's gotten so many functions, that barely work, now I can't even make a simple phone call. So I ditched my

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-02 Thread Charlie Noah
... - Original Message - *From:* 3xk547...@sneakemail.com *To:* u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 11/1/2012 4:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue In the mainstream, it's generally understood that one

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-02 Thread Mecki Foerthmann
Come on Charlie, texting is cool and it is easy. If I want to talk to my son in France for instance, I send him a text to switch on his PC so we can use Skype to actually talk and vice versa. The workshop sending me a text that my bike is ready to be collected - now how cool is that? You're an

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-02 Thread Charlie Noah
Just old fashioned, I guess, Mecki. My phone has 12 buttons: 1-0, * and #, and the necessary Send, End, Menu and cursor arrows. That's enough buttons for me. I know what you mean about the eyes not being what they used to be. I've been looking for an easier to read keyboard, maybe with black

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-02 Thread Wjhonson
Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing Took me from 42 wpm to 78 wpm in two weeks. I'm not kidding -Original Message- From: Charlie Noah cwn...@comcast.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 2, 2012 6:07 am Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-02 Thread Charlie Noah
@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 2, 2012 6:07 am Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue Just old fashioned, I guess, Mecki. My phone has 12 buttons: 1-0, * and #, and the necessary Send, End, Menu and cursor arrows. That's enough buttons for me. I know what you mean about

[U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Wjhonson
http://simply.engcen.com/JobAdCareerJet.asp?JobID=1253361 Really don't these people get actual... you know... specs? What did they do skip some words? Show me a single person in the world who has all of : Universe, Unidata, D3, Jbase, Revelation AND RPL and I will show you a liar Clearly they

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Clifton Oliver
So me a person who wants* to work in RPL, and I'll show you desperate. On Nov 1, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: http://simply.engcen.com/JobAdCareerJet.asp?JobID=1253361 Really don't these people get actual... you know... specs? What did they do skip some words?

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Wjhonson
. -Original Message- From: Clifton Oliver w...@oliver.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue So me a person who wants* to work in RPL, and I'll show you desperate. On Nov 1

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Doug Averch
I have all of the relevant experience. So what does that say about me? Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Very experienced U2 programming staff ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Charlie Noah
I have experience with Universe, Unidata, D3, Jbase, Revelation and RPL (which was Microdata's very proc-like language). Actually, I have a few more, too. Gonna call me a liar, Will? :-) Charlie Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Home of Safety Net Shipping http://www.TinyBearWildBirdStore.com Toll

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Wjhonson
? -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:02 am Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue Show me a single person in the world who has all of : Universe, Unidata

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Robert Houben
Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: November-01-12 10:06 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue Usually if your experience is more than five

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread David Wolverton
Leach Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:02 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue Show me a single person in the world who has all of : Universe, Unidata, D3, Jbase, Revelation AND RPL and I will show you a liar Better keep my mouth shut

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Barry Rogen
-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:38 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue HA! I had to go look up SMILE for GIRLS -- what a GREAT

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Allen Elwood (TW)
-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:02 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue Show me a single person in the world who has all of : Universe, Unidata

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread David Wolverton
To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue So what does SMILE stand for ? Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst PNY Technologies, Inc. (973) 560-5327 bro...@pny.com

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Brian Leach
Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue So what does SMILE stand for ? Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst PNY Technologies, Inc. (973) 560-5327 bro...@pny.com

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Barry Rogen
...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:08 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue System Marketing Inc. Language Extender for Generalized (Global?) Information Retrieval

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Tony Gravagno
Not sure where to jump in on this thread so I'll start at the top. First, like Doug Averch, Charlie Noah, Brian Leach, and others here, I actually do have experience with all of the technologies AND applications defined. So once again your commentary has over-reached your limited understanding

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Charles_Shaffer
I did a lot of RPL coding in the 80s. I remember when I left that job telling them that I would rather slide down a razor blade into a vat of alcohol than write one more line of RPL code. But that's just my opinion. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread John Lorentz
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote: I could pretend to do all of these, but frankly, I've never actually written production RPL code. I've also not written anything in about 2 years in Revelation and that was for Revelation G (really old) so I'm not

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread David Jordan
A good CEO knows the first rule of employing. First look at attitude, then capability and last experience. When you write a resume, don't list experience, list your capability to pick up languages, ability to adapt and ability to understand the business. It is also worth looking at how to

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Wjhonson
...@dacono.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:14 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue A good CEO knows the first rule of employing. First look at attitude, then capability and last experience. When you write a resume

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Brian Leach
hmm and there was I thinking it was tiime for RPL.NET. All it would need is a tortuously non obvious syntax for property and method setting and class instantiation and it would be job done.. just need another buffer type for handles.. C instantiate my form and return handle IS ^1 MyForm ELSE

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread David Jordan
I didn't say it was easy, I am saying if you want to increase your opportunity change the dynamics. You can curse and disparate the selection until the cows come home and it won't change a thing, you have to change the way you get the job interview. Regards David Jordan

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Wjhonson
Where's my pitchfork? -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Brian Leach
- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue hmm and there was I thinking it was tiime

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread John Lorentz
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:23 PM, David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au wrote: you have to change the way you get the job interview. Only works if there are jobs available. In Portland, the long list of what people are looking for in skills when hiring does not include Pick (or other varieties). And

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Tony Gravagno
In the mainstream, it's generally understood that one must be in a constant learning cycle, or skills get outdated in a matter of 6-18 months. So .NET people need to understand the difference between WebForms and MVC, and adapt to generics, lambdas, and dynamic types. Java people need to adjust to

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Don Robinson
:25 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue In the mainstream, it's generally understood that one must be in a constant learning cycle, or skills get outdated in a matter of 6-18 months. So .NET people need to understand the difference between WebForms and MVC

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Bill Haskett
:* 11/1/2012 4:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue In the mainstream, it's generally understood that one must be in a constant learning cycle, or skills get outdated in a matter of 6-18 months. So .NET people need to understand the difference between WebForms

Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue

2012-11-01 Thread Kevin King
TonyG wrote: *Profile your skills as a problem solver who can get qualified people to write code, rather than competing with a million people who can write code but can't solve real world business problems. Sell your understanding of business rules, because this is an area where you excel