Hello Troy !
All of those targets are very exciting ! Wikize it !
We really must write GuideLines for each Theme we want to ship. We must
define what is a theme GuideLines. For me its :
* color palette
* color policy (e.g. orange for short-term widgets, brown for
other)
Hello,
> For the Thursday/Friday picking a time is likely to be very difficult:
>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=16&month=6&year=2006&p1=136&p2=57&p3=137&p4=179
>
> But we just need to do it!
We should stick up for a WE meetings or else, most people won't
participa
Hello,
Thanks for comments. I created
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/%c3%89tienneBersac/ArtworkReOrganisation to
create an outline of the wiki reorganisation work. Fill free to edit.
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Hello,
Before Edgy cycle, we have the time and the ability to deeply rework our
wiki architecture, including breaking Google cache, however we should
avoid that.
I suggest :
* Gather Artwork and ArtworkTeam into Artwork.
* Rename ArtworkTeam/People to Artwork/Team.
* Move Meeti
> I've joined artwork team and I'd like to post an ideia that I've
> created.. how can I do this?
Welcome !
You have http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Drafts were you can put all
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Hello,
Sorry, but the wiki isn't clear about the next meeting : is it Saturday
3 or Sunday 4 June at 22h UTC ??
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Hello,
> Should I make a wiki page on ubuntu.com?
Yes, create http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Drafts/YouArtwork using
ArtworkTeam/PageTemplate .
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Hello,
> The colors will be limited to the palette used in the png picture that
> is the source for the theme. This is a limitation of vga16fb/bogl.
> Currently the palette index of the used colors is hardcoded. My proposed
> patches change that. Fancier progress bars require another patch.
>
> H
Hello,
> Please have a look at
> http://www.kaarsemaker.net/images/usplash-viewer.png and tell me whether
> such an application would be useful to you. Currently it can open
> usplash .so files, display them and change paameters. What I have
> planned is a big 'convert this png into an usplash lib
Hello,
> I'm afraid, with this final rush, that we will end up releasing Dapper
> with all of the old Gnome default theme crap I wanted to remove, along
> with a few new but not very well thought through or complete themes.
héhé ! Microsoft is not the only one to report their release ^^
Étienne
Hello,
> Third, we will invest in development to expand the theming system, so
> that background colour and image for desktop is part of the theme, for
> example.
What do you think about
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Drafts/WideTheme ?
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Hello,
I add that :
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ship-selected-desktop-theme
Wish that help.
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Hello,
> If you want to drop some themes don't forget the upgrade path, some
> people are probably using those so they should stay available on upgrade
If we drop gnome-theme dependance of ubuntu-desktop, would gnome-theme
be removed at upgrade ?
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Hello,
Sorry for crosspost, but dholbach told me to tell ubuntu-devel about
that matter. I quitely obey. ;)
For the first time with dapper, the artwork team vote a selection of
wallpaper and community artwork to ship along the default Human theme.
That is really great !
I wonder if we can drop a
Hello,
We should drop gnome-theme package from ubuntu-meta.
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You should really discover the gdm beige/sand.
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> Would cursor themes fall under the domain of this art team?
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Content/WideThemeDraft
I wish so !
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Hello,
> ...and the diff is?
> ArtTeam<>ArtWork
The diff is that Artwork change for each release, not
ArtTeam/ArtworkTeam.
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Hello,
> Please cooperate instead of compete. Why not drop
> this new team and make sure the other works correctly?
I think that the best solution should be to have one team on launchpad.
Just about the name, i prefer ubuntu-artwork to ubuntu-art (like
edubuntu-artwork which seems quite well orga
Hello,
That's the pain of wikis.
> It should be
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake/ArtTeam/
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake/ArtTeam/Content
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake/ArtTeam/Content/DefaultUbuntu
I would propos
Le samedi 27 mai 2006 à 12:54 -0500, Billy a écrit :
> where did everything go?
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/DapperThemes
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/DapperThemes?action=recall&rev=42
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Hello,
beige/sandy would be nice for Ubuntu. Something more peaceful that
bright orange.
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Hello,
> Would be nice if specs get to be written in advance so that it can be
> discussed further in detail in Paris (who will be going there anyway?)
As I live in Paris, i may be there :)
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> Currently, the Human theme has a grey background, #E8E2DD, which is
> quite cold (IMHO) and does not fit the warm new theme. Would it be
> possible to change it to something a bit warmer but still light, such
> as #EDE2D8 ?
You're right. But that may be too late.
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Hello,
> Shortlist
> * Beautiful art all round, but perhaps inconsistent? GDM splash
> compared to Wallpaper? -- TJS
I've just submitted this bug at
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/44990 . But that's
far too late.
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That should be decided at Paris Summit.
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Hmmm. Regarding the history of ArtworkTeam wikipage, i see a lot of
people involved. Why drop this list ?
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Hello,
Note also that i really like doing gdm theme :) See
http://www.gnome-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=bersace03 .
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Hello,
For now, all of our discussion must be about edgy and ourself. Here are
some question we must answer in the wiki :
* Who are us ? Voluntee ? Canonical Employee ? Who's involved ?
* What are we doing ? What is ubuntu artwork ? What do we choose ?
* How do we work ? Polls,
Hello,
One week ago, the Art Team on launchpad was empty.
About me, i'm wish to get involved in ubuntu artwork. I'm not a real
artist, even if i can give some peace of artwork if needed (see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/DapperPropositions ). But i really need
clear guidelines to make a useful
Hello,
You can see art team member at https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art .
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> I agree!
me too.
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All my 640x400 pngs are 16 colours, but i don't even see odd colors !!!
Why ???
How did Frank Schoep to build his minimalistic and backlit theme ??? Did
he use another pngtobogl ?
Really strange !
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# You need imagemagick libbogl-dev gcc and other packages to get this work.
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# 1. Build .png to .so
# 2. Generate 640x400 from 640x480
# 3. Generate thumbnails from 640x400 resized to ration 4:3
# 4. Resample to 1024x768 without antialias
# 5. Install .so in /usr/local/lib
Hello,
> Look, I really don't care what kind of policy is put in place, but
> what I do care about is that people's artwork submissions are equally
> judged. It's nonsense to say that you'll judge someone's art
> differently or even not at all because they didn't adhere to an
> unwritten r
Hello,
> Here is how I do it...the first part probably makes no sense, but I
> am used to doing it that way :-)
>
> 1) Create a basic 640x480 pic with the correct branding, etc. as vector.
> 2) scale that down to 640x400
> 3) add extra highlights, glow and shadows as appropriate
> 4) save a pic
Hello,
> 1) Obtain an optimum 16 color palette via careful scrunching.
> 2) Import the palette via Gimp's palette tool.
> 3) Scuttle the palette entries around in accordance with
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto?highlight=%28usplash%
> 29
> 4) Re-work the working image down to
Hello,
> Building on this momentum, anyone want to helm building a cohesive wiki
> page with the desktop contributions (thumbnails) splash and usplash
> thumbnails?
I started hosting my splahes. I may do the same for the others. I add
rules to my Makefile to do the thumbnails.
> A little warnin
Hello,
> Ok the page is a bit of a nightmare to scroll thru. Is there any way to
> set up a tabled thumbnail of the splashes?
You're right. I did it for my usplash cause i can host them.
That's so crazy to see so many propositions in so few times. Just open
the correct wikipage and let's go :)
Mark, can you explain me why usplash artwork are flatten ? Also how to
get a usable .so ? I wrote a Makefile that handle quite well the build
and install process of splashes. Is it wrong ?
Is there any doc about making usplash theme ? UsplashCustomizationHowto
seems to have problems according to U
Hello,
do you have a .deb to test your artwork ??
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Whaaoo ! Got it ! That is so nice ! I set gdm background color to
#D9BB7A, that makes transitions smoother.
Why doesn't usplash wait for ready gdm prompt before switching to VT7 ?
I really think we are close to a very polish boot process. The silence
of the splash is so beautiful, peaceful.
Than
Hello,
> OH NO! If it is that buggy in some cases,
Thats is not buggy anymore :)
> OH NO! If it is that buggy in some cases, why don't we just ditch this
> minimalistic thing for now...maybe Edgy could have it or similar? (Edgy
> is the next version) I don't wanna care about this for Dapper be
Hello,
I retest with no vga option, and thing goes very strange. see the shot
attached.
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> http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/49639 (requires flash)
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:^)
>
> Any changes I need to make or is it fine the way it is and ready to be
> integrated into the set?
Just make tiny folder version, networked
Wow ! That is so nice and nicer than Human !
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Shadow on directory are move visible for Tango. Your executable shadow
is excellent. You should not post so large screenshot, it is hard to
compare. (good example :
http://bersace03.free.fr/pub/captures/dapper-artwork/compare-human-tangerine.png
)
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Hello,
> I've placed a first sketch online:
> http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/minimalistic-sketch-1.png
>
> The resolution is 640x480 and it only shows what should be in the middle of
> the screen: the empty space should be filled with the beige tint, try this
> 1280x1024 versi
Hello,
Yes, that caramelish ubuntu is much much nicer. And it will blend with
both Human and Tangerine theme. (remember that a big part of dapper
users will change to Tangerine icons).
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Le vendredi 12 mai 2006 à 12:28 -0400, Viper550 a écrit :
> iacopo masi wrote:
> > I agree.
> > The new usplash is so ugly and not usable!
> >
> > --
> > iAc
> > http://www.iacopomasi.net
> Might this look better? The Ubuntu Logo I used on this one is actually
> one I used in an artwork proposal
Hello,
Is this possible to change usplash artwork easily ? As easy as gnome
theme. Where are spec for writing themes ?
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Le vendredi 12 mai 2006 à 17:41 +0200, André Schindler a écrit :
> Oh please dont use this new usplash,
> the colors are cruel,
> the progress bar is unclear,
> the text is unreadable.
>
> The old on was much better.
I'm so agree !!!
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> I Fully agree witch Verso l'Alto and Étienne Bersac.
Lol :D Verso l'Alto ! is my signature ;) It's like "Duc in
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Le jeudi 11 mai 2006 à 11:15 -0500, Travis Watkins a écrit :
> On 5/11/06, Étienne Bersac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I wonder also what is the palette of Human ?
>
> Looking at the icons the answer seems to be "every color you can think of".
Lol. Sadly
> I kind of agree that the difference is just a little too small. I'm not
> sure if this theme is still in a state of development, but I'd like to
> recommend a small change to the top header to try and make the title of
> a window more legible:
> http://omega.avalanchestudios.net/personal/dro
Hello,
> The Ubuntu Art team exists in Launchpad:
>
> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art
>
> Please can I ask everyone who wants to participate in the vote to join
> that (go to page, click on "Join the team" on the actions menu, top
> left of the page).
Hey, I like this openness :) Than
Hello,
> We have struggled to get a good workflow in place between the artist
> leading Human and the packaging team. You can see the latest delivery
> from the Human folks here:
>
> http://daniel.holba.ch/ubuntu/iconcall/
At last ! Thanks for this preview of the development state. I'm happy
Hello,
> P.S.: I'm still not sure if it was a wise decision to get involved, but I'd
> hate to see the default Dapper desktop look bad. I feel we still have a
> choice now to get things to work out right.
That make me sad. The update make the gap between Tangerine and Human
obviously larger. I
Hello,
> >
> > Tangerine is a tangoish Human theme that blend very well
> > with other Tango icons.
>
> Well, I don't know what happen there but aren't all three are supposed
> to follow the same guidelines and palette? Can't imagine otherwise.
Obviously does Human *not*
Hello,
-Tango was supposed to mix with Human, not the other way around
Tangerine is a tangoish Human theme that blend very well with other
Tango icons.
-there's no 22x22, but 24x44 and 16x16.
Yes, but since KDE use 22x22, Gnome 24x24 are 22x22 plus one pixel
border.
While it's best
Hello,
Considering the great job done for Tangerine, and the fact that it is
installed by default, we must offer a theme Human theme with
Tangerine. Current human with Tangerine is very nice. That might not
be considered as a full other theme.
I'm afraid about icons in ubuntu. The first t
Hello,
We'll need a name for the old Human...
"Human History" or maybe even just "History" ? :-)
Human Soilent? I mean, why not just call it Ubuntu Classic?
Yes, or Legacy.
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Le 7 mai 06 à 22:02, Jan Claeys a écrit :
Op za, 06-05-2006 te 19:00 +0100, schreef Mark Shuttleworth:
We'll need a name for the old Human...
"Human History" or maybe even just "History" ? :-)
Australopithèque ? Homo Erectus ? ;)
How do we say "old" in Xhosa ?
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Cool work.
For those you make screenshots, that would be great to have virgin
dapper desktop with just the theme selected.
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I'd also want to
hear opinions on the questions I posed in my previous mail.
Excellent ! It's so similar to epiphany ! What about icons in pref
dialog and other ?
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I'd prefer seeing Bitstream in future Ubuntu releases, since it's
proven itself to be a pretty good font.
Agree :)
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Hello,
Other opinions are welcome of course, but I suggest to not use
FreeSans for
anything, as far as I'm concerned it could be taken out of the
distribution
without any questions asked. Sorry to sound this harsh, but the
font would
definitely be a step backwards for users using only ISO 8
Hello,
For helping seeing the différence with FreeSans, i've made
screenshots of gnome-terminal and nautilus using both fonts (default
Sans and FreeSans).
screenshots availables at http://bersace03.free.fr/pub/captures/
dapper-artwork/fonts/ .
Some personnal comments :
- gnome-terminal
Hello,
I agree again that Ubuntu's default font should be FreeSans
instead of Bitstream Vera Sans!
What about DejaVu ?
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Hello,
The tangerine/human icon sets are looking very nice! :) But, I don't
feel that the green for the Accessories menu really fits the orange
theme. Does anyone else agree with me? Wouldn't it look better
with an
orange "L" in the back of the scissors?
I find this theme far ugly. It's
Hello,
Thank you frank, that's great job. I wonder if symlink for picture
will introduce dependencies.
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Hello,
OK, so in addition to the internal development, can we ask the art
team to vote for the top TWO only existing themes that should be in
there with Human?
We might also consider a theme for less resources computer such as
SandSkater.
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Imho, the key picto for gaim is more a balloon than an envelope.
Envelope is for Evolution/Mail agent.
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Hello,
If Ubuntu followed a blue-ish trend then I have the feeling we
would be
getting complaints from other people just about the same thing:
colouration. I accept that many people prefer blue above brown, or
grey
above orange, but this is one of the things that sets Ubuntu apart
from
ot
Hello,
As I read carefuly the MarkShuttleworth wikipage and i want to point
the question about brown : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
MarkShuttleworth#head-af8efed984d00c8b741809679b28a75761177ab0
Brown is the colour of the firsts sets of ubuntu release. Why not
defer orange theme for next cycle
Hello,
About samba, ssh, ftp etc.
If you take a look at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/orango-tango/
status.png you can see that lapo already created those, but they
are not in tangerine (yet). Right now, all the icons in tangerine
follows the names in icon-naming-spec, but I'll start pollut
Hello,
What I would prefer is brown folders, because there is too much orange
in my desktop and my nautilus.
It is the same of title bars. They were too orange at first, and know
they are brown again. I include a folder example.
I agree. That wouldd be really nice to select a color and build a
Hello,
He also note that "ssh", "ftp" are disturbing. Especially for tiny
icons. The sharp orange label are too agressive.
I like the tangerine icons, but I don't agree with the above. I
like the
"ssh", "ftp" and others, because it's informative and (IMHO) isn't
disturbing.
Remember that
Hello,
I'm very please to see the incoming Tangerine icon set in dapper repo.
I made a screenshot of both theme face to face at http://
bersace03.free.fr/pub/captures/dapper-artwork/compare-human-
tangerine.png
I made a test with my father. 54 years old. Wear quite fat glasses.
Windows use
Hello,
Here is a version with square stepper edges and rounded scroll bar
tips: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/slider-01.png
http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/slider-in-action.png
I don't understand something : is the scroller overrideing arrow
button ?
I like the right in
Hello,
You are completely right. This is a great pain in the ass for now.
Ubuntu ship nice piece of artwork, but noone fit correctly with each
others, neither usplash theme nor gdm login nor gnome-session splash
nor background nor gtk theme nor metacity theme, etc.
We are just fighting to
Hello,
Mock-up: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/collapsing-
logout.png
Very nice idea, well done for removing Lock Screen. All in all,
awesome.
the expansion should remember its state
Excellent !
I support this dialog. :)
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Hello,
Very good job. I'm stutter between first and last.
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Hello,
The supported status icons aren't to good, and they are only a
proof of
concept. Perhaps, when a water mark icon they could look ok, but I
think
they won't with 16x16 size.
Very nice. But clearly won't fit in 16x16 square.
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Hello,While you say they are not glassy enough, I don't know how you would work the glass effect into them, given their small size.Yes, 2 pixel wider and heigther would be clearer and allow theme to fit more with the theme (button and combo are quite big). (see OS X, but those one are too big for m
Hello,
Thank you Mark for responding, don't forget you are our bdfl :)
I like the glass effect on our current widgets.
I also like the glassy effect. Something i dislike is the
inconsistence of glassiness between widgets. What about glassy
buttons, combo and scrollbars ? That might make t
Hello,
http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/progressbar3.png
That does (more), but you don't want to tone it down? It currently
just flat out doesn't look like anything. Why not compromise?
Thank you for this screenshot, this is exactly what we need in order
to polish the dapper artwo
Hello,I completely agree with Petr, Billy, Andreas, my two brothers, friends (ploum for one of known people on the web) on Jabber with which i talked about that, etc. and you (daniel) say it's my personnal point of view ? And you advice us to let some people introduce their subjective opinion as ob
Hello,
While you might personally not like the variety of colors in
Microsoft's offering or the multiple styles used by OSX, it apparently
works quite well for them.
Exactly ! I hate the anarchic theme of OS X even if each piece of
artwork is nice.
This is something different in free desktop
Hello,
Democracy only goes so far. If it comes to taste, only a dictatorship
can ensure that there won't be endless debates about what to ship as
default. Fortunately the Ubuntu dictators listen to the community at
large :)
I trust the sabdfl :)
Étienne.
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Hello Andreas,
is up to others to decide though.
I know. I wish ubuntu is a real community distro. This comment was
for who is able to decide this. (don't know who except Mark, Jeff and
other @canonical.com people).
Take care!
Sorry, my english does not allow me to understand that :(
Hello,
I completely agree with Billy. The curent artwork is obviously far
from a polished final artwork. Every time i take a closer look at it,
i think "that will be polished before June". But as i read above,
some consider this artwork as final. *glarg* !?
Billy is completely right abou
Hello,I completely agree with you. Current dapper artwork is completely inconsistant. Each piece of artwork is good by itself, but the global theme is an inconsistent patchwork.Note also that the theme for dapper should be consistent from WindowsFOSS to usplash-down, including gdm, gnome-session, g
Hello,
This would be my preferred solution, but I think upstream makes
this difficult because the pointer is by default at the center of
the icon, and its difficult to know how wide the icon is. Michael,
is it possible to make popups point be at the bottom of the icon
they are referring
Hello,There is a big problem on ubuntu : default gnome-screensaver config use 3D. On a lot of hardware (including nVidia card with nv), this configuration eat CPU (this may save screen, but not processor). There is bug for it : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/33
Hello,
The nautilus copying dialog show a tiny icon representing a vertical
progress bar updated with the current fraction of work done. Is this
icon themable ? If yes, this must be added to
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/ThemingTricks and in each theme as
well :)
Étienne.
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Hello,
Your improvements are good. But the dialog needs a deeper review. I
do agree with people thinking about two dialog : one for actions
closing session (logout, shutdown, restart), one for actions
suspending session (lock, switch, suspend, hibernate). The logout
applet popdown a tiny
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