Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread RJ
> I see the marketing of Ubuntu as a Canonical responsibility. Anything > "community" lead I see as D.I.Y./street team work. Just me. > > If I had my way, I'd reinvent the team as Ubuntu-StreetTeam or something. Hi, I can't agree with Cory here. The community-based-marketing-team or whatever yo

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread VidA
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see the marketing of Ubuntu as a Canonical responsibility. Anything > "community" lead I see as D.I.Y./street team work. Just me. > > If I had my way, I'd reinvent the team as Ubuntu-StreetTeam or something. I have to disagree

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing from early adopters...

2008-05-28 Thread Seth Woodworth
Lifehacker.com, a popular blog, has a weekly article from the Linux world, and often focuses on brand new or cutting edge releases of Open Software. The culture there very much appeals to the early adopter and gadget hound. Is there a way we could facilitate these type of articles other than earl

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team ( Mike Feravolo )

2008-05-28 Thread Mike Feravolo
Good Day: I have been trying to post a comment to this list for a couple of weeks and have had my messages bounced back as a "non-member". Wondering how I would be able to read the thread and the fact that they were never reviewed and posted is an yet another example of what's wrong here. Who ac

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, it appears to me, and the information, such as it is, on the Marketing Team wiki page confirms it, that we need to do the following things very quickly in order to be effective at marketing: 1. Define who and what we are. This entails defining o

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread RJ
Sounds the best way to act to me. But still I would put "defining our relationship with Canonical's marketing department" at the first place. Since that's the point of the long discution we just had : everything that will be done here is depending on this relationship. So I'll change your questi

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread John Vilsack
I think we are running in circles. Gleaning what I can from these messages, This is what I think we should consider: 1. The Local Communities are their own entity, and should be considered free to do what they want, with no perceived or implied oversight from any governing body. This group should

[ubuntu-marketing] Defining who we are

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
I'm going to start a new thread here as the first step in creating a marketing plab for the team: We need to define who we are and to define who we target. And all that has to start with our BROAd mssion of Fixing Bug #1 Who we are: these are starting points I feel are essential. My comments o

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 09:44 -0500, John Vilsack wrote: > I think we are running in circles. The reason, IMHO, that it appears we are running in circles is because we are due to the fact that the marketing team has not, as far as I can tell, established any real sense of its own identity or its di

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing from early adopters...

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
Seth, This is a project very close to my heart that we definitely need to talk about once we get to the projects and tasks part of defining what the team does. On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 02:34 -0700, Seth Woodworth wrote: > Lifehacker.com, a popular blog, has a weekly article from the Linux > world,

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread Cory K.
John Botscharow wrote: > The reason, IMHO, that it appears we are running in circles is because > we are due to the fact that the marketing team has not, as far as I can > tell, established any real sense of its own identity or its direction. I'd like to know are you up to leading this new Market

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread Onno Benschop
On 28/05/08 10:13, John Botscharow wrote: > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 07:50 +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: > >> One of the major challenges I had (and still have) - is the visibility >> of this particular group of individuals - the Marketing Team. >> > > Would you elaborate on this, please. Perhap

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Defining who we are

2008-05-28 Thread Onno Benschop
On 29/05/08 01:02, John Botscharow wrote: > I'm going to start a new thread here as the first step in creating a > marketing plab for the team: > > We need to define who we are and to define who we target. And all that > has to start with our BROAd mssion of Fixing Bug #1 > > Who we are: these ar

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team ( Mike

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 07:55 -0400, Mike Feravolo wrote: > Good Day: > > I have been trying to post a comment to this list for a couple of weeks > and have had my messages bounced back as a "non-member". Wondering how I > would be able to read the thread and the fact that they were never > reviewed

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
Jeez, Cory, that one caught me off guard. I am very flattered by your question and very honored. Let me hold off answering that for a day or two to give others a chance to express their opinions; but you are right. the team does need to set up strong leadership and that is something we should do so

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread John Vilsack
As I mentioned earlier, I am willing to do whatever it takes to get this project in line. I am a firm believer that we can do this democratically, but someone has to be given "the ball" to put filter the discussion and finally provide some forward momentum. Mr. Botscharow and myself have written

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Defining who we are

2008-05-28 Thread alan c
John Botscharow wrote: > I'm going to start a new thread here as the first step in creating a > marketing plab for the team: > > We need to define who we are and to define who we target. And all that > has to start with our BROAd mssion of Fixing Bug #1 > > Who we are: these are starting points

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
John V, Yes, I think leadership IS the biggest issue keeping us from doinng anything substabtive, and by leadership I mean more than just people. I think your proposal is something that definitely needs done. So, I ovte YES!!! On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 13:40 -0500, John Vilsack wrote: > As I mentione

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread alan c
VidA wrote: [...] > For example : Suppose the loco team and Canonical** are exhibiting at > the same event/conference, which will be taken seriously, the loco > team or the Canonical team? Why should there be separate efforts and > not a team effort ? Keeping Canonical separate from the community >

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread alan c
RJ wrote: > Sounds the best way to act to me. But still I would put "defining our > relationship with Canonical's marketing department" at the first place. Since > that's the point of the long discution we just had : everything that will be > done here is depending on this relationship. So I'll

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread alan c
John Vilsack wrote: > I think we are running in circles. > > Gleaning what I can from these messages, This is what I think we should > consider: > > 1. The Local Communities are their own entity, and should be considered free > to do what they want, with no perceived or implied oversight from any

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread alan c
John Botscharow wrote: > Jeez, Cory, that one caught me off guard. I am very flattered by your > question and very honored. Let me hold off answering that for a day or > two to give others a chance to express their opinions; but you are > right. the team does need to set up strong leadership and th

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread alan c
John Botscharow wrote: > John V, > > Yes, I think leadership IS the biggest issue keeping us from doinng > anything substabtive, and by leadership I mean more than just people. I > think your proposal is something that definitely needs done. So, I ovte > YES!!! Seconded alan cocks > > On Wed,

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread alan c
Onno Benschop wrote: > On 28/05/08 10:13, John Botscharow wrote: >> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 07:50 +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: >> >>> One of the major challenges I had (and still have) - is the visibility >>> of this particular group of individuals - the Marketing Team. >>> >> >> Would you ela

[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Server survey

2008-05-28 Thread Onno Benschop
As I mentioned in previous postings, the Ubuntu Server team is in the process of launching a survey to find out how people are using Ubuntu Server and what functionality is missing for them. The proposed press release is here: * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Survey/Launch As I wrote th

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Server survey

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
I'll post my review of your survet in a few hours. It's almost dinner time here, so I will postpone doing this until after dinner. I think better on a full stomach. LOL I think cross-tema representation on the marketing team is almost a necessity and something we should "market" once we get our ho

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread Onno Benschop
On 29/05/08 02:40, John Vilsack wrote: > How do you feel about putting about proposing this to the Community > Council? Is leadership what this group needs above all else? > I agree that this needs to happen, but until we have figured out how we're going to do what we're talking about and how w

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
I'm on Central Daylight Time UTC-5 I was afraid someone was going to suggest IRC LOL. I have never used IRC. I do have Pifgin installed - will that work or do I need something else? And how do I set up an IRC account? Do I need a mic or is text talking? Sorry for being such a newbie, but I did

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Server survey

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
Onno, Looks good! As far as in-house submissions go, I think you have it pretty well covered. I was wondering if sending it to sme outside sites might not be useful, like a web hosting trade association, so I did a little Google searching and found this: EDITORIAL INFORMATION The Web Host Indust

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Server survey

2008-05-28 Thread Nick Ali
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I mentioned in previous postings, the Ubuntu Server team is in the > process of launching a survey to find out how people are using Ubuntu > Server and what functionality is missing for them. Might want to contact some

[ubuntu-marketing] New Member

2008-05-28 Thread Bruno Barrera Yever
Hello I had joined the LP group a few months ago, but i just found out about the mailing list. I am REALLY interested in helping out with Ubuntu Marketing. I have been involved in marketing ubuntu in my LoCo (the Mexican LoCo), but i would also like to help with marketing in other places apart fr

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
Onno, This is really weird that you bring this up. I had not seen your email until just a few minutes ago because, things being pretty quiet tonight on this list, I decided to hunt up my old marketing articles and start to put them on my wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow#preview I jus

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread Nick Ali
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:15 AM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Onno, > As far as putting together a wiki template for press releases, I am > certainly willing to take a stab at it, although it might go slow until > I get more comfortable with wiki codes. I use very little coding on

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread John Botscharow
That'll work. Thanks On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 00:28 -0400, Nick Ali wrote: > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:15 AM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Onno, > > As far as putting together a wiki template for press releases, I am > > certainly willing to take a stab at it, although it might go

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team

2008-05-28 Thread VidA
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think trying to channel too strongly will loose us some benefit. > Canonical is hoping to make a profit from selling services and support > - most obviously to the corporate market. Absolutely, Canonical should be looking at

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Defining who we are

2008-05-28 Thread VidA
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:52 PM, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Botscharow wrote: >> I'm going to start a new thread here as the first step in creating a >> marketing plab for the team: Great stuff. I added them to the wiki page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam Feel free to chan