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Cory K. wrote:
> So with this, I'd like to know who is currently the "official" lead and
> who besides John Botscharow (who is the only AFAIK who has expressed
> interest) would like to take over? Is the position even up for grabs?
> Seems like it sinc
John Vilsack wrote:
> Cory,
>
> It was brought up during the meeting on Saturday that the more vocal
> of the group wished to see more concrete proposals and ideas before
> debating and ultimately voting on them.
>
> After watching the past few weeks of activity, I drafted my own
> recommendation w
On 12/06/08 06:35, Cory K. wrote:
> Like I said, I'll look over the wiki and chime in. Were the meeting logs
> put up anywhere?
>
Yes, the link is in the agenda.
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Cory K. wrote:
> I will say that this team is so disorganized and full of people who just
> talk I feel a lead who has the time to devote and can move unilaterally
> to create a framework under which the team can operate in the future is
> the way to
On 12/06/08 06:11, John Vilsack wrote:
> After watching the past few weeks of activity, I drafted my own
> recommendation which calls for a core-marketing team to form with subgroups
> forming to allow for greater focus and drive for the most important aspects
> of the group.
>
You cannot expect
Onno Benschop wrote:
> On 12/06/08 06:11, John Vilsack wrote:
>
>> After watching the past few weeks of activity, I drafted my own
>> recommendation which calls for a core-marketing team to form with subgroups
>> forming to allow for greater focus and drive for the most important aspects
>> of t
> You cannot expect to publish a document of that size less than 24 hours
> before a meeting and expect to have it adopted.
> The document was not included as a discussion topic in the Agenda - and
> before you ask, the Agenda is a wiki page that can be modified by any
> member of the general pu
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John Vilsack wrote:
> Actually, I think if you do the math, then what I am proposing makes
> perfect sense.
>
> Based on your numbers, there are 17 people who were vocal during the
> meeting. These are the people who felt that what they had to say w
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AMEN
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:57:31 -0500
"John Vilsack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You cannot expect to publish a document of that size less than 24
> > hours before a meeting and expect to have it adopted.
>
>
>
> > The document was not in
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:36:50 -0400
"Cory K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I snipped most of this because I want to focus on the last part of what
Cory said. I think most of us are familiar enough with the ongoing
discussion on this subject for me to spa
John Botscharow wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:36:50 -0400
> "Cory K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I snipped most of this because I want to focus on the last part of what
> Cory said. I think most of us are familiar enough with the ongoing
> discussion on this subject for me to spare you all th
John Vilsack, John Botscharow and Cory K:
You seem to be the ones most interested and able to form a more formal
leadership of this group, so please go ahead and work something out.
You have at least my blessing.
Take the discussion off this list, include more people in your group if
they sh
>John Vilsack, John Botscharow and Cory K
And Onno? Is he out of the question because not so loud?
You see this is what I would have like to avoide...
I just ask myself what is going on... A lot of our precious time and
energy is being completely wasted by threads end discussions that could
pe
Pierre Vorhagen wrote:
> Common people, let's just get going on what we are here for, submit your
> concrete priorities and projects, add them to the wiki... and please...
> stop questioning the way we function, a leadership will instore itself
> naturally, as it has in the meeting, it is a m
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Ruben,
If you have not read the post below, please do. I am trying to get this
organized and would like to invite you to be part of this effort, if
you're willing. Please reply to me privately ASAP. I am hoping you
agree to help with this.
John Botsc
I'm disappointed in this response that suggests having a discussion
about leadership off-list. This is not a closed process, just because
people aren't vocal does not mean they aren't interested.
A team is a group of people with a common understanding of their aims.
We had a meeting to achieve a b
Onno Benschop wrote:
> I'm disappointed in this response that suggests having a discussion
> about leadership off-list. This is not a closed process, just because
> people aren't vocal does not mean they aren't interested.
>
> A team is a group of people with a common understanding of their aims.
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:02:05 +0800
Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How many others will see this thread, shake their head and go
> elsewhere with their energy?
>
>
And is there some rule that says that a few of us cannot get together
On 13/06/08 15:17, John Botscharow wrote:
> And is there some rule that says that a few of us cannot get together
> off the list and jointly prepare something concrete, well-thought out.
> and positive to bring to the list when it is ready rather than
> indulging in all the negativism that has domi
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:30:26 +0800
Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 13/06/08 15:17, John Botscharow wrote:
> > And is there some rule that says that a few of us cannot get
> > together off the list and jointly prepare something concrete,
Onno Benschop wrote:
> On 13/06/08 15:17, John Botscharow wrote:
>> And is there some rule that says that a few of us cannot get together
>> off the list and jointly prepare something concrete, well-thought out.
>> and positive to bring to the list when it is ready rather than
>> indulging in all t
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:18:17 +0100
alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Onno Benschop wrote:
> > On 13/06/08 15:17, John Botscharow wrote:
> >> And is there some rule that says that a few of us cannot get
> >> together off the list and jointly prepare
John Botscharow a écrit :
> I think Simon may have hit on the best solution. See his "Stop it" post.
> I'm sorry to say, but all these comments about "sinister" motives for
> off-list discussions strikes me as a bit paranoid. What about any
> private messages on IRC? Are they off limits too? For al
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:38:29 +0200
Pierre Vorhagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For anyone not interested in strategy/structure discussions, please
feel free to ignore this message. I. for one, will not be offended.
For those who are, please continue re
I didn't intend to post anything more on this subject but the harsh tone in
the mail below means that I will have to explain myself:
2008/6/13 Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm disappointed in this response that suggests having a discussion
> about leadership off-list. This is not a closed
I'm sorry but the people who think a couple of emails off-list to help
keep the noise down are against some zealot-like notion of FLOSS is
simply astounding.
And honestly I'm not surprised. So many people around here want to whine
and talk but never do anything. Immediately jump to the negative
co
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There goes someone we can ill afford to lose. Cory, you will be missed,
and I promise to give you a call. I won't "hit you up" because, for my
generation at least. that has sexual connotations, and frankly, you're
not my type. LOL
Pax vobiscum. Cory!
John Vilsack wrote:
> All,
>
> Please keep in mind that we have all unified here to volunteer to help
> do what we can to help spread the word about Ubuntu Linux. A product
> whose very essence is built on learning about oneself through
> togetherness.
>
> Every voice here matters. Keeping an ope
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I tried to present your proposal for consideration at the meeting, but
because of the difficulties I was having using IRC, I could not really
press the issue, for which I apologize. Your proposal encompassed
everything on the agenda, as far as I was co
Cory,
It was brought up during the meeting on Saturday that the more vocal of the
group wished to see more concrete proposals and ideas before debating and
ultimately voting on them.
After watching the past few weeks of activity, I drafted my own
recommendation which calls for a core-marketing te
Hello:
For the record; I would happy to lead the marketing team, but we really
need to stop debating and start selling.
1) We need to collect what ever all ready exists in one place so that
people can find it.
2) We need to let all the LoCo know that there is a centralized effort
and get all the
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