Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)

2008-06-03 Thread Alan Pope
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 18:31 +0200, Simon Schneebeli wrote: It looks like 8pm CMT this Saturday is a moment that suits well for It's probably better to quote times in UTC, as most other teams do. It makes it a lot easier for people to translate because most people know their timezone relative to

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)

2008-06-03 Thread Simon Schneebeli
Alan Pope wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 18:31 +0200, Simon Schneebeli wrote: It looks like 8pm CMT this Saturday is a moment that suits well for It's probably better to quote times in UTC, as most other teams do. It makes it a lot easier for people to translate because most people

[ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)

2008-06-02 Thread Mike Feravolo
Hello: I would be happy to contribute any way that I can to the the marketing team. The increase of traffic on the list is a good thing, people shouldn't be concerned if people talk about the same thing. They should just be glad that people are talking period. The success of this team depends

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)

2008-06-02 Thread John Vilsack
I respectfully disagree. THe point of the marketing is not to be the Ambassadors, our job is to manufacture and provide strategies to those that will evangelize the product. We may all be those same Ambassadors when not performing our undertaken responsibilities, but the two are seperate

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)

2008-06-02 Thread John Vilsack
It looks like 8pm CMT this Saturday is a moment that suits well for quite a lot of people: To find out when this is in your time zone: http://doodle.ch/participation.html May I ask two questions: - Is there any (even inofficial) structure within the marketing community. I'd say that before

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)

2008-06-02 Thread James Tait
John/Team, John Vilsack wrote: - Is there an official liaison person who links to Canonical? (Or a Canonical person who links to this marketing community. I don't believe so. I have contacted their primary marketing contact, but have yet to hear back from them. I wonder if Jono

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-06-01 Thread Simon Schneebeli
Hi all, This here may help you choose a date and time that suits best. http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=csunnbdekfr7c345 Regards Simon --- Simon Schneebeli 078 619 31 18 --- Bruno Barrera Yever wrote:

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-06-01 Thread RJ
I can't completely agree with Hubuntu / VidA : this first meeting is one of the most important. We have to gather the maximum of our contributors if we want it to be representative. I agree we are wasting time in trying to find a perfect time which doesn't exist, but trying to find the less

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-06-01 Thread Rubén Hubuntu
Yeah, let's use that poll, in that way we just see who can when... I have to say that it's not a good sign to not even be able to set up a time. The easiest thing (and what every other team in the community normally does) is just to define a date an hour and those that can come, will, and those

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-06-01 Thread RJ
This one is great : easy and fast to use : perfect ! Thanks Simon ! I added my times. It may look a bit weird, but I could arrange for those times, hardly for anything else. Regards, Jonathan Hi all, This here may help you choose a date and time that suits best.

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-06-01 Thread VidA
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Rubén Hubuntu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, let's use that poll, in that way we just see who can when... I have to say that it's not a good sign to not even be able to set up a time. The easiest thing (and what every other team in the community normally

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-06-01 Thread John Botscharow
I am going to use Vid's message to put in my two cents on this issue - one last time. Like a lot of people who have commented here in the last week or so, I am getting very frustrated with all of this going around in circles. The general sentiment has been that the marketing team is, to put it

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-06-01 Thread Alan Pope
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 10:08:31AM -0500, John Botscharow wrote: Also, by voting on leadersip and direction, it allows everyone, or at least most everyone, to feel ownership of this team, to buy into the team and its goals. Without that sense of ownership, people are not going to be very

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-06-01 Thread John Botscharow
A few days, someone asked me if I would lead this group. I postponed answering that question at the time, because I believe actions speak louder than words and because I felt it would be better to let others do the nominating, but since you asked this way: 1. Yes, I have the time. I do not have a

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-06-01 Thread bbyever
Going back to the meeting topic for a sec... From the people that have voted on the poll, and the list of available times in the Meetings page it appears 20:00 UTC would be the most convenient hour. Is that ok, or is that not a good time for someone? About the day, I would say it should be ASAP.

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-05-31 Thread John Botscharow
It appears that my original suggested time of 12:00 or 13:00 UTC for a start time will fit pretty much eveyone in terms of time zones. How is everyone feel about a Saturday meeting? Do we want to do this NEXT Saturday the 7th or Saturay the 14th? -- Peace! John You do have choice on what

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-05-31 Thread Bruno Barrera Yever
Well, according to the Meetings page [1] that wouldn't be convenient to most people Though, I don't know if that list is active. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:37 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that my original suggested

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike

2008-05-31 Thread Bruno Barrera Yever
How about 20:00 UTC on a saturday? On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:53 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're in the same time zone, and yes 7 am is early especially on a Saturday, but we have a 13 hour range of time zones on this list and we are on the early end. For those on the late

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread RJ
Already said it but : GMT +1 (UK) / +2 (FRANCE) depending on weeks. +2 most of the time tho. Regards, Jonathan -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread alan c
John Botscharow wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get this meeting set up. I, for one, and I don't think I am alone here, that having this meeting to answer the questions on the agenda should be our first order of nusiness and should be done ASAP. Until we

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread Danny Piccirillo
-5 eastern time On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:23 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get this meeting set up. I, for one, and I don't think I am alone here, that having this meeting to answer the questions on the agenda

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread Rubén Hubuntu
The idea with wikis is to do collaborative work in an incremental phase. I see your point, but after hanging around for a while I found out that the best way to make impact within your community activities is to use the wiki as a cooperative tool. And yes, it means an effort in learning the

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread Chris Rowson
I think part of the problem with these meetings is that given the international basis of the marketing team, whenever you organise one, someone will be unable to attend. I propose that an agenda is fixed, with a set of issues to be addressed and that the agenda is discussed at a group of regional

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread John Botscharow
Vid, The problem with your suggestion is that it assumes everyone is comfortable using the Wiki. I took a look at the meeting page, and as someone who is just learning how to use wiki code, I am reluctant to touch that page for fear of messing it up. We all seem to know how to use email :-) A

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread John Botscharow
Ruben, What you say about the wiki may be true, but the fact is that most people who are currently participating on this list are NOT using the wkiki, and I suspect the reason for that is that they, like me, are unfamiliar with how it works. I am learning wiki code by working on my personal

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread John Vilsack
Due to the international nature of the group, I also think a meeting is somewhat unfeasible for 100% attendance. I am about 90% done with a rough draft of a proposal to the council which covers the three main topics (focus on materials and collaboration, core-marketers, Canonical liasion) which I

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread John Botscharow
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:45 -0500, John Vilsack wrote: the way I see it, the things that need to be reolved at this meeting will be things that require decisions which, being one who strongly favors democracy in its purest form, means voting. I believe that only by actually voting on things - like

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread John Botscharow
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:45 -0500, John Vilsack wrote: I've also begun listing out the various roles that I envision would be a part of this type of restructure, and I hope that those actively contributing to the list now would be willing to step up and assume ownership of one of these. This

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread Rubén Hubuntu
+1 for a weekend +1 for an action agenda under the meeting +1 for a meeting, as in face to face, in the next UDS (end of the year) if we start working actively as a team R. On 5/30/08, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 100% attendance at anything involving a group this size is

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-30 Thread John Botscharow
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 13:56 -0500, John Vilsack wrote: Actually, I think Natural Selection will take care of this to a greater or lesser extent. That's veeery interesting, as Arte Johnson used to say on Laugh In. As soemeone wha has a very strong background in the social sciences, I feel

[ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-29 Thread John Botscharow
We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get this meeting set up. I, for one, and I don't think I am alone here, that having this meeting to answer the questions on the agenda should be our first order of nusiness and should be done ASAP. Until we do this, folks, we are

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-29 Thread Chris Rowson
PLEASE respond with your time zone ASAP so this meeting can happen and we can get this team doing what it supposed to do - MARKETING!!! British Summer Time (GMT +1) Chris -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at:

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-29 Thread Philip Newborough
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE respond with your time zone ASAP so this meeting can happen and we can get this team doing what it supposed to do - MARKETING!!! British Summer Time (GMT +1) Chris Another bod from the UK here. UTC +1. ---

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-29 Thread Alan Lord
John Botscharow wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get this meeting set up. snip / GMT +1 (Another Brit!) -- The way out is open! http://www.theopensourcerer.com -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-29 Thread Rubén Hubuntu
UTC +2 Another human :) R On 5/29/08, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get this meeting set up. I, for one, and I don't think I am alone here, that having this meeting to answer the questions on the agenda should be our

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-29 Thread VidA
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has a schedule for prefered individual timings. After the meeting date is fixed,

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

2008-05-29 Thread Bruno Barrera Yever
UTC -5 (DST) On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:02 PM, VidA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has a